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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On October 05 2013 16:59 insitelol wrote: 2Lysanias I'm rly sorry but what does "mm" and "ccu" mean? Like 4mm = 4 million? mm is mmo retard speak for million. It once was kk=thousandthousand=m in mmo trade channels. But SOME people concluded that when its "kk", that it should also be "mm". Which is totally wrong, but apparently you dont need to have a brain to twitter for Riot. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
final games have been a bit anticlimatic, but not much you can do about it. (except giving an arbritary advantage to the losing team - which would be stupid in a competitive game). The games haven't been decided by SKT getting a small advantage and snowballing it stupidly, but SKT being much better every game. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 05 2013 19:41 onlywonderboy wrote: I haven't read almost any of this thread, but I get the vibe there has been a lot of complaining about the finals not being that exciting. While I would have loved for the games to be closer, it's a competitive game and this is just bound to happen sometimes. So many people make it seem like this is a problem unique to LoL when it's something that happens all the time in traditional sports. Some Super Bowls are nail biters while others are complete blow outs. This has nothing to do with LoL being "too snowbally," and everything to do with SKT just being the best damn team in the world. The problem was that in addition to a disappointing finals, the format of the tournament left a lot to the imagination, and instead of gaping in awe of SK Telecom T1's magnificence, some of us were left to ponder whether Royal Club were the most worthy opponents for them as of this moment. Does anyone here truly believe that Royal Club is the second best team in the world right now? How do we gauge the true strength of Royal Club, when what was arguably their biggest triumph here was what they already achieved in their regional qualifications? What new things did we learn apart from the fact that they have far superior laning capacities compared to Fnatic, and that they collapsed against SK Telecom T1 in a manner no different from Jin Air Falcons or Gamania Bears? Were Najin Black Sword just thoroughly prepared against SK Telecom T1, or were they just inches away from being able to clinch the title themselves? How would have OMG faired had they not drawn Royal Club in the quarter-finals? I'm really none the wiser after this tournament has ended, and it really bugs me to insanity how the format just begs for these kind of things to occur, yet has been used for two years in a row.The round of eight brackets with fixed byes for regional representatives waste precious slots that should be fought after to the death by the best teams in the world, and almost guaranteed for certain teams to leave the tournament after playing a single series. There's almost nothing to build up from if some lucky draws and a fluky series or two is all that is needed for teams to reach the finals. Of course, most of the teams that participated in this event went through some of the most gruesome qualification series imaginable, and of a proven calibre so I'm not denying the quality of most of the teams involved, but still, but I personally feel like the actual showdown of the best teams from all over the world wasn't as well laid out as it should have been, especially since Riot Gaming has been actively promoting regional lockdown for the rest of the year. Have all the teams prove their worth from scratch. Just because you are the number one from a region doesn't give you the right to take away a round of eight slot from a potentially more worthy team. Seed the brackets according to the performances from the group stages/pre-bracket stage rounds, so that past round results actually matter, and the momentum from that can be carried, instead of cutting the tournament in half by having group stages, followed by a totally random draws that render past results, and the hype coming with it, useless (Najin Sword last year, OMG this year). Make the teams prove their worth, make them compete harder from the get go by rewarding good results (again, provides more continuation in terms of storylines), instead of this LCS-like system where you can theoretically "turn it on" after a certain point, which lessens the amount of material you can build up from a spectators point of view. I could just go on and on, but there's a reason why this tournament felt so empty after it was over, and you just can't over-simplify things by saying SK Telecom T1 was too good for the rest of the teams, and things like this happen all the time in competitive settings. There's a world of difference between being disgruntled by utter and complete domination over rest of the field, and being felt cheated out of what truly could have been due to a poor tournament format. Can you honestly tell yourself that you never had a moment during the finals where you were left to ponder how OMG, or even KT Rolster Bullets would have done in Royal Club's place? | ||
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eGoRama
Bulgaria1542 Posts
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On October 05 2013 19:11 Killmouse wrote: LoL and bw are two different genre, u cant compare then two, u mean LoL is the true successor to dota ... he is speaking of korean popularity/attention.... lol is definitely the successor or bw | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Last years crowd was soooo much better. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Impact played great every single game, and Godlike was one big fail every single game. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 05 2013 19:41 onlywonderboy wrote: I haven't read almost any of this thread, but I get the vibe there has been a lot of complaining about the finals not being that exciting. While I would have loved for the games to be closer, it's a competitive game and this is just bound to happen sometimes. So many people make it seem like this is a problem unique to LoL when it's something that happens all the time in traditional sports. Some Super Bowls are nail biters while others are complete blow outs. This has nothing to do with LoL being "too snowbally," and everything to do with SKT just being the best damn team in the world. OGN finals, and semifinals for worlds were both pretty good. If SKT vs NJS or Royal vs Fnatic games were the finals people would have been praising the event. Royal just wasn't up to snuff, and losing 20 games out of 23 coming into this probably didn't help their mentality either. I thought game 2 was really good. If that was game 3 people probably wouldn't be complaining. I've never seen SKT almost lose a game they were 5k gold ahead in. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On October 05 2013 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote: OGN finals, and semifinals for worlds were both pretty good. If SKT vs NJS or Royal vs Fnatic games were the finals people would have been praising the event. Royal just wasn't up to snuff, and losing 20 games out of 23 coming into this probably didn't help their mentality either. I thought game 2 was really good. If that was game 3 people probably wouldn't be complaining. I've never seen SKT almost lose a game they were 5k gold ahead in. well OGN had summer finals yeah but all the other OGN finals before that were one sided stomps cept clg.eu vs frost. Same with GSL where I don't really remember any good final the 5 or 6 times before DRF vs MMA finally happened. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 05 2013 20:47 Letmelose wrote: The problem was that in addition to a disappointing finals, the format of the tournament left a lot to the imagination, and instead of gaping in awe of SK Telecom T1's magnificence, some of us were left to ponder whether Royal Club were the most worthy opponents for them as of this moment. Does anyone here truly believe that Royal Club is the second best team in the world right now? Yes they very well might be, why not? Because they lost hard against SKT? So what. They just did not get the same hype as SKT in advance, which is why it seems now in hindsight like this match was a foregone conclusion. But in reality many experts also believed that Royal had a good chance of winning it. Just think of last year's final for comparison. If Frost would have won it, I bet you would have also said "Meh was TPA even the 2nd best team here?" While there is much to be critisized about the tournament format, the final would be about the same in every format as this one was. You almost always end it with a bo5, and it can always end with a 3 win sweep. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 05 2013 21:43 AsnSensation wrote: well OGN had summer finals yeah but all the other OGN finals before that were one sided stomps cept clg.eu vs frost. Same with GSL where I don't really remember any good final the 5 or 6 times before DRF vs MMA finally happened. Basically any OGN final except CLG.EU vs frost with a CJ team sucked. The CJ team doesn't adapt, other team breaks out a new strat, CJ team gets rekt. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
Quarter: 3-0 Semi:3-1 Final:3-2 15-3 Worlds: 15-3 Total 30-6 | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On October 05 2013 22:00 skykh wrote: Ogn summer: Groupstage: 6-0 Quarter: 3-0 Semi:3-1 Final:3-2 15-3 Worlds: 15-3 Total 30-6 All planned. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
It's cool that Royal and SKT made it to the finals though | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 05 2013 21:43 Redox wrote: Yes they very well might be, why not? Because they lost hard against SKT? So what. They just did not get the same hype as SKT in advance, which is why it seems now in hindsight like this match was a foregone conclusion. But in reality many experts also believed that Royal hada good chance of winnign it. Just think at last year's final for comparison. If Frost would have won it, I bet you would have also said "Meh was TPA even the 2nd best team here?" While there is much to be critisized about the tournament format, the final would be about the same in every format as this one was. You almost always end it with a bo5, and it can always end with a 3 win sweep. Why not? Is that all you need after weeks of speculating and wondering which teams were truly the best in the world? Wasn't this tournament supposed go a long way into answering our curiosities as spectators? Is a repeat of the Chinese regional finals, and a single BO5 victory against a non-Chinese team enough for you to see how Royal Club compares against the best in the world? Seriously? Taipei Assassins had defeated Najin Sword, who were the strongest Korean team coming into the tournament in terms of pure strength (not result-wise, but skill-wise), then triumphed over the favourites of the tournament, Moscow 5, who were arguably in a similar to position to SK Telecom T1 coming into the tournament, then showed far superior laning as they crushed the most accomplished Korean team at the time, Azubu Frost. Even if they lost in the finals, who would I have placed above them? If you accused me of thinking that CLG EU wasn't necessarily the top four team at Season 2 World Championship, and had better luck in the tournament that led to them placing higher than some, you would be right, but how are you going to accuse me of thinking Taipei Assasins having a flukey path to the finals last year? People might recall how last year's finals were more memorable. It's because both Taipei Assassins and Azubu Frost proved their worth on their way to the finals due to some fortunate circumstances despite the horrible tournament format. Azubu Frost had to start from the group stages despite being a first regional seed, and had to place over a tough opponent in Invictus Gaming in the group stages (comparable to Group A from this year), then defeated some of the most well regarded Western teams, while Taipei Assassins literally had the toughest bracket possible for a team starting at the round of eight. It's much less satifying this year because SK Telecom T1 and OMG never got prove who were the better of the two during the group stages due to a lack of tie-breakers since group placements after you qualify doesn't matter at all. On top of that, both of the finalists had to face a team from their own region, which by itself isn't a problem, but turns into a complication once you factor in the fact that some teams only get to play a couple of teams due to the retarded bye-system Riot Gaming keeps on implementing. A sweep in the finals is always a shame, but it's a major problem if it is one of the few matches you can actually gauge the strength of a finalist. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 05 2013 22:13 Numy wrote: Riot shot themselves in the foot by having a whole week until the finals. If these finals happened earlier there would have been more hype and momentum coming off the semis. Meh Riot really fucked up worlds. It's cool that Royal and SKT made it to the finals though Yeah no. I disagree infinitely with this. I think the break works fine. It let them do a lot. Most things have such a break, perhaps you're more into those hectic weekend events though? (IPL, MLG, etc) By actually spreading this event out they've made it all seem far more like an event. EDIT: Yeah and I'm ok with the finals. So SKT romped, it was expected. There's no evidence pointing to the fact that they might not have done the same to any team on any given day. Welcome to competition. | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On October 05 2013 22:05 MrMercuG wrote: All planned. Still not as good as C9. 31-5 all season, they're the best team. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
No one gives a fuck when c9 stomp everyone in na Everyone are whining when korea win worlds. | ||
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