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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 20 2013 08:38 GMT
#10601
On September 20 2013 17:33 vthree wrote:
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On September 20 2013 17:06 Full.tilt wrote:
Just watched the SSO vs Gambit game, man that was boring. No one can strictly stick to a dull poke strat and flog it to death like Koreans.


To be fair, Gambit was at fault as well since their draft lacked hard engages. And NA/EU have had their share of low kill games.

they also failed to play the correct way and just decided to stall the game longer by going mid to defend to put themselves in an unwinnable situation
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
September 20 2013 08:41 GMT
#10602
On September 20 2013 16:17 Dan HH wrote:
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On September 20 2013 16:09 BackSideAttack wrote:
On September 20 2013 16:07 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:58 Vonthin wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote:
Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.


They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.


This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot

This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.


I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.

I don't get that reasoning. By giving a bye to a team considered worse by Riot than some of the group stage teams just to keep the region it represents in the elimination phase, you actually make them play fewer games and get less exposure.

If Gamania were in the groups, they would play a minimum of 8 games as opposed to a minimum of 2 games which is very possible in the current system. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having some exotic teams if they didn't play so many games in a short span like Mineski and GG.eu.

I wish they'd use the IPL5 system, it was by far my favorite out of all the LoL tournaments so far. Or at least a classic 4 groups of 4 into single elimination if they don't like double elimination.

IPL 5 probably still the most epic LoL tournament to date imo. Obviously the metagame is more entertaining now, but that tournament felt like what Season 2 Worlds should have been or even better.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 20 2013 08:44 GMT
#10603
On September 20 2013 17:41 1ntrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 16:17 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 16:09 BackSideAttack wrote:
On September 20 2013 16:07 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:58 Vonthin wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote:
Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.


They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.


This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot

This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.


I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.

I don't get that reasoning. By giving a bye to a team considered worse by Riot than some of the group stage teams just to keep the region it represents in the elimination phase, you actually make them play fewer games and get less exposure.

If Gamania were in the groups, they would play a minimum of 8 games as opposed to a minimum of 2 games which is very possible in the current system. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having some exotic teams if they didn't play so many games in a short span like Mineski and GG.eu.

I wish they'd use the IPL5 system, it was by far my favorite out of all the LoL tournaments so far. Or at least a classic 4 groups of 4 into single elimination if they don't like double elimination.

IPL 5 probably still the most epic LoL tournament to date imo. Obviously the metagame is more entertaining now, but that tournament felt like what Season 2 Worlds should have been or even better.


IMO, because of the "lack" of balance, IPL5, actually have abetter metagame.

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iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 08:54:38
September 20 2013 08:52 GMT
#10604
so whats gonna happen with Fnatic vs GG? anyone taking bets?

if im not mistaken if gambit loses they tie ozone (assuming ozone goes 2-0). so they will have a tie breaker?
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 20 2013 08:54 GMT
#10605
On September 20 2013 17:52 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
so whats gonna happen with Fnatic vs GG? anyone taking bets?

Fnatic will lose
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 20 2013 09:06 GMT
#10606
On September 20 2013 17:52 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
so whats gonna happen with Fnatic vs GG? anyone taking bets?

if im not mistaken if gambit loses they tie ozone (assuming ozone goes 2-0). so they will have a tie breaker?


fnatic will throw to allow Gambit to advance IMO. Biggest disappointment of the tournament is definitely Ozone and Dade. Dade needs to get his shit together.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 09:10:19
September 20 2013 09:10 GMT
#10607
damn now I really want Vulcun to step it up to beat Ozone so we don't have to listen to some bullshit matchfixing accusations if Gambit beats Fnatic lol
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
September 20 2013 09:14 GMT
#10608
On September 20 2013 18:10 AsnSensation wrote:
damn now I really want Vulcun to step it up to beat Ozone so we don't have to listen to some bullshit matchfixing accusations if Gambit beats Fnatic lol


How is it bullshit? Fnatic hasn't lost to Gambit since the Summer Season finals. Not to mention they stomped Gambit really hard already in the first round of groups.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 20 2013 09:17 GMT
#10609
Fnatic hasn't lost a series to Gambit since like IEM.

Especially if Gambit picks something wonky and Fnatic loses; the debut of jungle karma Fnatic just steamrolled Gambit
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 09:18:51
September 20 2013 09:18 GMT
#10610
On September 20 2013 18:14 BackSideAttack wrote:
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On September 20 2013 18:10 AsnSensation wrote:
damn now I really want Vulcun to step it up to beat Ozone so we don't have to listen to some bullshit matchfixing accusations if Gambit beats Fnatic lol


How is it bullshit? Fnatic hasn't lost to Gambit since the Summer Season finals. Not to mention they stomped Gambit really hard already in the first round of groups.

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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
September 20 2013 09:18 GMT
#10611
I really hope Fnatic doesn't throw on purpose, I will lose all the respect I had for them. Gambit doesn't deserve to advance if they get a free win, they should earn it like everyone else and beat the team that is their Kriptonite fair and square. I just don't see the reason why they would in the first place, one it would bring bad PR and uneccisary drama to one of the oldest and respected E-Sports teams in the business plus it could give Gambit the momentum in the future(in this tournament if they meet again or in future tournaments) to beat them.
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
September 20 2013 09:19 GMT
#10612
It's odd/dangerous to assume that fnatic is going to give gambit a free pass (and break their crazy win streak) because of some sense of EU solidarity.
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
September 20 2013 09:24 GMT
#10613
On September 20 2013 18:14 BackSideAttack wrote:
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On September 20 2013 18:10 AsnSensation wrote:
damn now I really want Vulcun to step it up to beat Ozone so we don't have to listen to some bullshit matchfixing accusations if Gambit beats Fnatic lol


How is it bullshit? Fnatic hasn't lost to Gambit since the Summer Season finals. Not to mention they stomped Gambit really hard already in the first round of groups.

Oh, so if Gambit does beat Fnatic, then Fnatic must have thrown?

Vulcan has a decent chance of beating Ozone in any case. They can still go 5-3 and make it out of the groups (realistically tiebreak with Gambit).
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 20 2013 09:28 GMT
#10614
Yeah, there will be people claiming throws. We'll see how the game plays out though. If it plays out like NJ sword vs NJ shield I'd be pretty pissed not gonna lie.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 20 2013 09:29 GMT
#10615
so Dade really didn't skill E until lvl 4, fucking greedy lol. and on his 2nd kill he used it to farm.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
September 20 2013 09:31 GMT
#10616
On September 20 2013 18:19 Sprouter wrote:
It's odd/dangerous to assume that fnatic is going to give gambit a free pass (and break their crazy win streak) because of some sense of EU solidarity.


It's not just cuz they are EU. Because they have Gambit's number, they pose less of threat if they were to ever meet again in the upper rounds. Whereas against Ozone, even though they beat them twice already, there's more uncertainty.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3266 Posts
September 20 2013 09:31 GMT
#10617
On September 20 2013 18:18 Vonthin wrote:
Gambit doesn't deserve to advance if they get a free win, they should earn it like everyone else and beat the team that is their Kriptonite fair and square.


If they do beat fnatic, either way, there will be QQ and accusations cause ppl are jelly and petty
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 20 2013 09:32 GMT
#10618
On September 20 2013 18:24 1ntrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 18:14 BackSideAttack wrote:
On September 20 2013 18:10 AsnSensation wrote:
damn now I really want Vulcun to step it up to beat Ozone so we don't have to listen to some bullshit matchfixing accusations if Gambit beats Fnatic lol


How is it bullshit? Fnatic hasn't lost to Gambit since the Summer Season finals. Not to mention they stomped Gambit really hard already in the first round of groups.

Oh, so if Gambit does beat Fnatic, then Fnatic must have thrown?

Vulcan has a decent chance of beating Ozone in any case. They can still go 5-3 and make it out of the groups (realistically tiebreak with Gambit).

I don't see Vul making it out of groups. If they play cleanly, can they beat a struggling Ozone? Possibly. But nothing I have seen makes me think they can beat Gambit+ Show Spoiler +
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in a row.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
September 20 2013 09:34 GMT
#10619
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 09:36:22
September 20 2013 09:35 GMT
#10620
On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit.

Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie.
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