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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:03 JonnyLaw wrote: No, because match fixing has never been a topic that's allowed to be speculated on TL. That is an incredibly serious allegation. Really? Cuz the entire Fantasy vs Rain situation was allowed to be talked about. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:03 ChEDo wrote: "Korean teams wont lose to EU" - Proceeds to lose to EU teams and laugh about it. Story of how Ozone won OGN, got picked up by Samsung, replace Homme, and proceed to get eliminated along with Mineski and Vulcan. What a story to tell. yeah i never understood why they replaced homme. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Can you stop. All you have is guesswork and conspiracies, and it's cluttering up this thread. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 20 2013 15:58 O-ops wrote: He's also their brain and their source of mental fortitude when they're actually playing the game. His skill didn't even matter that much because with the way carry priority is distributed in Ozone all he had to do was not die, which he did during the most important stretch of their season. Now they have a yoloqueue god and 4 other kids with no shotcalling experience and no one to tell them to cowboy the fuck up. You could see how they're running around like headless chickens compared to how they played before. He's not even playing bad lol, he fucking put them in worlds. No he didn't lol. Did you even watch summer? He got carried incredibly hard after the zac nerfs. He was a huge liability and would sometimes fall behind by upwards of 50 cs. And you can't say shit like he was their mental fortitude. We don't know what he contributed in terms of decision making. This isn't a 1 man shotcalling team like TSM. You can point to an easy target like that for ozone's performance but we're all just armchairing here. Ozone knows what's going on with their team. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 20 2013 15:58 Vonthin wrote: This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot Well with a 'world qualifier' is that if it is held online-only, lag is a big issue. Offline is pretty too expensive if you need to fly teams from all over the world just for a qualifier. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9241 Posts
On September 20 2013 15:58 Vonthin wrote: This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
I think the Wildcard slot is stupid. Taiwan/HK/SEA should be combined into one qualifier with 1~2 spots at least until they reach parity with other regions. The "wildcard" slot should've simply have been the All-Stars slot. OR get rid of the All-stars slot or only give Taiwan/HK/SEA one slot and do an international wildcard online tourney a la TI1~3. As much fun it is to see GG.eu and Mineski get stomped, it's really unfair to the teams that couldn't make it to worlds and are clearly better. | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:03 ChEDo wrote: "Korean teams wont lose to EU" - Proceeds to lose to EU teams and laugh about it. Story of how Ozone won OGN, got picked up by Samsung, replace Homme, and proceed to get eliminated along with Mineski and Vulcan. What a story to tell. im more worried about SKT, the korean hope cause they are not playing solid, im sure they will make it to the next round and SKT vs KT bullets was a close series, i think bullets could have easily been on worlds but let faker use zed so shame on them | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:07 Dan HH wrote: This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it. I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2. | ||
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ChEDo
Canada310 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:05 BackSideAttack wrote: I blame the Chinese teams. They shouldn't have scrimmed so much with the European teams and made them all better. I hope to god it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass. Right, because scrimming with the EU teams wouldn't have improved the Chinese teams at all...seriously, take your salty tears somewhere else. | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:09 BackSideAttack wrote: I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2. i dont see LAN-LAS spot there im sure they can play at mineski level | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:09 ChEDo wrote: I'm going to bed disappointed at Ozone, They embarrassed Korea. Its a sad day for Koreans. My head will be heavier as I walk toward my bed, in my walk of shame. In retrospect I really wish KTB had beaten skt in the finals. That way Ozone wouldn't have made worlds sigh | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:10 vthree wrote: Right, because scrimming with the EU teams wouldn't have improved the Chinese teams at all...seriously, take your salty tears somewhere else. Considering that the Europeans couldn't deal with the Chinese's aggression, Europe benefited a lot more. Gambit got stomped so hard by OMG they had to adjust their early game to be less passive. Fnatic lost their first game in 20 minutes with every lane losing. Considering that almost everyone is doing 3v1 dives is the direct result of OMG scrimming with everyone. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:11 BackSideAttack wrote: In retrospect I really wish KTB had beaten skt in the finals. That way Ozone wouldn't have made worlds sigh It looked so good at that time | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:09 ChEDo wrote: I'm going to bed disappointed at Ozone, They embarrassed Korea. Its a sad day for Koreans. My head will be heavier as I walk toward my bed, in my walk of shame. Are you Korean Canadian? BC or Ontario? And don't lose faith in SKT. SKT will carry us to the top! (I'm Chinese, btw, lol. But, you know, "Starcraft", so...) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:09 BackSideAttack wrote: I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2. Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other. Tournament format wise, I think Valve got it right. A wildcard slot with an online qualifier is pretty amazing to watch and makes for a good underdog story without putting in complete semi-pro/amateur teams that will just get stomped. I also really liked how Valve made group stages less all-or-nothing by letting all teams go through groups; it just affects their seed. Bo1s are inherently random and give teams less time to feel each other out. EDIT: Wildcard qualifier tourney will also let the weaker regions like SEA and LA field teams to participate in a truly international tournament without mucking up the quality of games at the actual championships. Iunno, watching GG.eu and Mineski play is just...boring and stupid. They put up a fight and that's pretty cool, but games against them are basically byes. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:14 Ryuu314 wrote: Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other. No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9241 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:09 BackSideAttack wrote: I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2. I don't get that reasoning. By giving a bye to a team considered worse by Riot than some of the group stage teams just to keep the region it represents in the elimination phase, you actually make them play fewer games and get less exposure. If Gamania were in the groups, they would play a minimum of 8 games as opposed to a minimum of 2 games which is very possible in the current system. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having some exotic teams if they didn't play so many games in a short span like Mineski and GG.eu. I wish they'd use the IPL5 system, it was by far my favorite out of all the LoL tournaments so far. Or at least a classic 4 groups of 4 into single elimination if they don't like double elimination. | ||
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