On September 20 2013 16:09 ChEDo wrote: I'm going to bed disappointed at Ozone, They embarrassed Korea. Its a sad day for Koreans. My head will be heavier as I walk toward my bed, in my walk of shame.
Are you Korean Canadian? BC or Ontario?
And don't lose faith in SKT. SKT will carry us to the top! (I'm Chinese, btw, lol. But, you know, "Starcraft", so...)
Korean Canadian, Toronto! I believe in SKT, Faker will channel his inner Bisu and Parting, they will combine together and become the almighty and with Boxer coaching them GG. I just had really high hopes for Ozone.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
I don't get that reasoning. By giving a bye to a team considered worse by Riot than some of the group stage teams just to keep the region it represents in the elimination phase, you actually make them play fewer games and get less exposure.
If Gamania were in the groups, they would play a minimum of 8 games as opposed to a minimum of 2 games which is very possible in the current system. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind having some exotic teams if they didn't play so many games in a short span like Mineski and GG.eu.
I wish they'd use the IPL5 system, it was by far my favorite out of all the LoL tournaments so far. Or at least a classic 4 groups of 4 into single elimination if they don't like double elimination.
While an IPL5 system would be great, I think a Dota 2 system would be even better. However at the time, the Koreans were believed to be dominating so hard that such a system would screw over a lot of regions.
I still think that Korea is still the best region. Their raw mechanics compensate for the holes in their meta. Picks and bans can be fixed and adapted to, whereas mechanics can't in the span of 1 tournament. Samsung is a bad example. If they had to play in the qualifiers on the current patch they most likely wouldn't make it past KTB with Dade's current champion pool.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I would argue that the most experienced NA team outplayed the most inexperienced EU team, but that doesn't sound as dramatic.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I would argue that the most experienced NA team outplayed the most inexperienced EU team, but that doesn't sound as dramatic.
i would argue that 2nd best team in EU had "z problems"
On September 20 2013 15:56 BackSideAttack wrote: [quote]
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I would argue that the most experienced NA team outplayed the most inexperienced EU team, but that doesn't sound as dramatic.
i would argue that 2nd best team in EU had "z problems"
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I would argue that the most experienced NA team outplayed the most inexperienced EU team, but that doesn't sound as dramatic.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
You could coulda woulda shoulda all these games... SKT T1 vs OMG, Fnatic vs Ozone, etc. None of the teams are comfortable playing against each other. There's really no point, but I think we'll see in the end.
Also ofc they're just scrims, but I'm pretty sure dyrus said what he said because they were dominating group B in practice. If you can do that the gap can't be that large.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
You can give all the excuses and shoulda coulda wouldas all you like, but results are results. Playing on a stage against an unfamiliar team, going through pick and bans, the whole shebang is part of the game that affects both sides. I can argue that TSM would've learned and "adapted accordingly" against LD if they played your hypothetical 100 scrims. Yea, sure LD probably shouldn't have left Zed unbanned, but pick/banning is part of the game and they fucked up.
Don't get me wrong, I think NA is still definitively the weakest region. They're just not as behind as everyone thought they were going into Worlds.
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
Yeah, Its like saying "Basel has beaten Chelsea this week. They obviously would have won the Championsleague vs Bayern Munich."
On September 20 2013 15:56 BackSideAttack wrote: [quote]
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
Yeah, Its like saying "Basel has beaten Chelsea this week. They obviously would have won the Championsleague vs Bayern Munich."
The converse is still equally absurd. That's like saying the Seahawks beat the 49ers cuz the 49ers played an off game. But don't worry! Seahawks still trash tier team.
On September 20 2013 16:45 AsnSensation wrote: Fnatics pick&ban phase was so good even with 1 less ban.
Fnatic pick/ban was pretty damn good, but I still don't understand what was going through Ozone's mind when they banned Leona lol...
On September 20 2013 15:55 ChEDo wrote: Riot should just have 2 spots reserved for teams that didnt make it to Worlds. From LCS, LPL, OGN etc. and just have 2 good teams that have a potential to win the worlds. Like as much as its fun and dandy to have teams from each regions and the international wildcard. GG.EU and mineski dont deserve the spot, sure they "earned" it, but why not give that 2 spot to far far better teams and we can have sick games. Imagine a tournament full of teams that didnt make this years worlds. CLG, Curse, KT, CJ, iG, WE.
They should just combine the Taiwanese and Sea qualifiers.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
or ld could've watched 5 tsm games and gotten the same info....
Why do they keep leaving Corki open? SKT T1 had problems against Score on Corki too, then they banned it and finally won.
The Aatrox gank counter was beautiful and things probably would have been different if Dade didn't feed but, I think they need to listen to Doublelift, ban/pick Corki or play a complete counter cause Ezreal doesn't work against Corki.
Disrespecting the Aatrox is fine because they got over the early gank he provides but why let Corki go?
Korean teams seem to have a weakness against Corki.
This and let anyone join the wildcard spot, make the tournament held after na/eu lcs and ogn/lpl finals and make it a super deathmatch for the last spot, sort of like how NASL would have 15 spots from their season then held a open bracket for people who didn't get into the tournament for the last spot
This would have been awesome, a tournament with KT-B, WE, EG, etc. for the wildcard spot. I'd be so disappointed if they don't make format changes next seson, there are just so many things wrong with it.
I'm pretty sure Riot wants to make the game more international, so if that means they have to sacrifice some slots at worlds they will do it. Back in the day people asked Riot to remove first round byes, but Riot refused citing that they didn't want a single region to dominate like in SC2.
Their rationale at the time was fine. But post Worlds S3, I think they need to revamp the entire format. It's clear that there is no one dominating region if groups is anything to go by. The four main regions all seem very strong and capable of taking games off each other. Granted, China seems really strong atm, Korea seems to be choking, EU's on a hot streak, and NA still has some sloppy play, but each region is within arm's reach of each other.
No Na is still behind compared to others (don't know about c9 we'll just have to wait and see). I don't see vulcan and tsm having any chance of getting out of groups.
I didn't say they're not. But based on their games, they're certainly not that far behind. The games they play at least give up a semblance of a fight and actually have a chance before they throw it away via poor execution. As opposed to GG.eu and Mineski where games are basically over from level 1 champ select.
Also, first round byes are just weird. I haven't seen Gama Bears play yet, so maybe they can pull off a TPA 2.0, but I doubt it. It's gonna really suck for viewers and all the teams who make it to quarters if they end up sucking hard and give up a free pass.
2nd best team in NA legit outplayed 2nd best team in EU after being down 0-2 though. C9 yet to come. C9 vs fnatic would be really interesting.
I don't think you can use A beats B so A beats C as evidence of a certain outcome. TSM lost to C9 because their champ pools overlapped and Reginald ended up playing champions he wasn't comfortable on. C9 just knew TSM too well due to their scrims in a way similar to Fnatic and Gambit. You can't develop that kind of familiarity from just watching vods of a team you have never played before.
Just look at TSM vs Lemondogs. Regi got his most comfortable champion and Nukeduck played too far up due to overconfidence. If the 2 teams had played 100 scrims throughout the span of a season, Nuekduck would've learned that TOO likes to camp mid and would've adapted accordingly.
Yeah, Its like saying "Basel has beaten Chelsea this week. They obviously would have won the Championsleague vs Bayern Munich."
The converse is still equally absurd. That's like saying the Seahawks beat the 49ers cuz the 49ers played an off game. But don't worry! Seahawks still trash tier team.
On September 20 2013 16:45 AsnSensation wrote: Fnatics pick&ban phase was so good even with 1 less ban.
Fnatic pick/ban was pretty damn good, but I still don't understand what was going through Ozone's mind when they banned Leona lol...
I think they just assumed Xpeke doesn't play zed, and I don't recall a game in EU LCS where he played it (well they weren't wrong haha)
as someone else said they probably prayed to madlife that Dade gets him once. Also Yellowstar Leona 3:0 this tournament and destroyed them on day2, consider it a "madlife ban" :D
On September 20 2013 17:06 Full.tilt wrote: Just watched the SSO vs Gambit game, man that was boring. No one can strictly stick to a dull poke strat and flog it to death like Koreans.
To be fair, Gambit was at fault as well since their draft lacked hard engages. And NA/EU have had their share of low kill games.
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