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On September 20 2013 18:18 Vonthin wrote:
I really hope Fnatic doesn't throw on purpose, I will lose all the respect I had for them. Gambit doesn't deserve to advance if they get a free win, they should earn it like everyone else and beat the team that is their Kriptonite fair and square. I just don't see the reason why they would in the first place, one it would bring bad PR and uneccisary drama to one of the oldest and respected E-Sports teams in the business plus it could give Gambit the momentum in the future(in this tournament if they meet again or in future tournaments) to beat them.
If Gambit wins, it doesn't matter wether it was legit or Fnatic threw. Fnatic will be accused of throwing either way.
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What incentives for Fnatic are there for beating Gambit Gaming? If there aren't large enough rewards for winning, the fault lies with the tournament design, and in my opinion, should Fnatic feel like their chances are increased by hiding their full strength or spare some hidden strategies, or if they deem Samsung Galaxy Ozone to be a bigger threat to be in the bracket-stages than Gambit Gaming, it is within their right to not to give it their all, and any negative ramifications of those decisions should lie entirely on the shoulders of Riot Gaming for designing a tournament that fails to deliver. Samsung Galaxy Ozone should have been the ones to quell all the doubts here, and while the tournament design has failed to a certain degree in this case, most of the blame should be directed at themselves should the team fail to make it out of the group stages.
I'm actually finding myself getting more and more riled up about the fantasy tournament than the actual implications of the results of the tournament. This is a side-effect I didn't expect to influence my viewing experience so greatly, and I'm wishing I could try to take something more away from this tournament than, "damn it, Puszu is racking up way too many fantasy points, fuck this guy".
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On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie.
Yeah, calling people retarded without knowing them, will surely make you look like a wise person.
I didnt said it would not be a bad thing to do, just that I would not feel ashamed if they did it. Also if you have no idea about the sc2 scene, just gtfo and dont tell me it's a lie, when I'm following the scene since pretty much day 1 beta. Don't be an ignorant dick, go do your search or ask anyone from here who follows the scene.
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I don't think it would be as suprising as you people make it out to be if fnatic loses to gambit. 57,94% of the lol fans thought that gambit had the upper hand in the 1st match of gambit vs fnatic. Next poll fnatic will have the edge ofcourse, but it's not like it's impossible for gambit. (and the voting has been pretty accurate so far)
Ozone didn't convince me at all either.
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On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie.
I don't know, those Sword v Shield games in NLB Summer that made Sword lock a spot in worlds seemed pretty throwy to me.
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On September 20 2013 18:54 napo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. Yeah, calling people retarded without knowing them, will surely make you look like a wise person. I didnt said it would not be a bad thing to do, just that I would not feel ashamed if they did it. Also if you have no idea about the sc2 scene, just gtfo and dont tell me it's a lie, when I'm following the scene since pretty much day 1 beta. Don't be an ignorant dick, go do your search or ask anyone from here who follows the scene.
Wow! Sc2 since beta? that's pretty hardcore.
I don't think I need to tell anyone what the result would be if intentional game throwing occurred from any team at worlds. It's especially frowned upon in korea, but that would require you to know about sc history before sc2 came along.
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On September 20 2013 19:04 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. I don't know, those Sword v Shield games in NLB Summer that made Sword lock a spot in worlds seemed pretty throwy to me.
They were, if you were at the LR thread you saw me calling bullshit in those games. Sadly it wasn't possible to prove. I'll lose a lot of respect for fnatic if the games happen to be on that level. If they lose honestly and looks like they made some mistakes that happens to a lot of teams then whatever, it happens.
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0K I'm not even 5 minutes into Ozone vs Gambit and I'm already hesitating between raging and feeling jaded.
Wtf Genja, really. And that "gank".
Edit: yeah it's just boring. I'll keep watching just in case but it feels like one of these lame-ass "hey team A has a 2k gold lead on team B so they're going to take it super slowly and kill them 25 minutes from now with nothing happening".
Zzz.
Really, Genja, and the 2v2 when J4 gets the jump on Aatrox? >_<
0K this fight at the inner top tower was so. Fucking. Dumb. How the hell did Alex die there? That was such a shit fight, wtf, and that positioning. Whatever. If Gambit keep playing like that they'll just get rolled by Fnatic, roll over once again, die, and not make it out of groups.
Oh who am I kidding it's Gambit of course they'll embarass themselves by handing Fnatic a free win with dumbfounding picks and tactics.
-_-
'k, Vulcun going to get trashed by Fnatic.
So group determined to be Ozone and Fnatic advancing, with two shit games without any suspens nor tension. Yeah, fuck this group, I guess it was interesting while it lasted. SKT vs TSM delivered better than these jokes. I'm done.
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On September 20 2013 18:54 napo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. I didnt said it would not be a bad thing to do, just that I would not feel ashamed if they did it. Also if you have no idea about the sc2 scene, just gtfo and dont tell me it's a lie, when I'm following the scene since pretty much day 1 beta. Don't be an ignorant dick, go do your search or ask anyone from here who follows the scene.
On September 20 2013 19:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:54 napo wrote:On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. Yeah, calling people retarded without knowing them, will surely make you look like a wise person. I didnt said it would not be a bad thing to do, just that I would not feel ashamed if they did it. Also if you have no idea about the sc2 scene, just gtfo and dont tell me it's a lie, when I'm following the scene since pretty much day 1 beta. Don't be an ignorant dick, go do your search or ask anyone from here who follows the scene. Wow! Sc2 since beta? that's pretty hardcore. I don't think I need to tell anyone what the result would be if intentional game throwing occurred from any team at worlds. It's especially frowned upon in korea, but that would require you to know about sc history before sc2 came along.
lololololol
+ Show Spoiler +"since pretty much day 1 beta" Does that mean you literally know nothing about the match fixing?
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On September 20 2013 19:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 19:04 Gahlo wrote:On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. I don't know, those Sword v Shield games in NLB Summer that made Sword lock a spot in worlds seemed pretty throwy to me. They were, if you were at the LR thread you saw me calling bullshit in those games. Sadly it wasn't possible to prove. I'll lose a lot of respect for fnatic if the games happen to be on that level. If they lose honestly and looks like they made some mistakes that happens to a lot of teams then whatever, it happens.
I've always been irritated at this sort of shit that can occur when one team can lose without losing anything in order to help another team out.
The Rain vs Fantasy example earlier seemed to be OK when I watched it but there's always that specter of "throw"
I mean, if I were designing a tournament group with 2 teammates...I would make those motherfuckers play first in order to avoid one throwing a game to the other for tournament position later on. Like, is that too much to ask?
Better yet make the tournament system so that the guy guaranteed to be getting out of groups can't donate games to some other guy. MSL/WCS group style I thought was a pretty sweet format for that. You're in a group of 4 players and you just went 2-0, beating the other guy who went 1-0 initially. Great, you get 1st place, get the fuck out and let everyone else play for 2nd.
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On September 20 2013 16:13 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 16:10 vthree wrote:On September 20 2013 16:05 BackSideAttack wrote:
I blame the Chinese teams. They shouldn't have scrimmed so much with the European teams and made them all better. I hope to god it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass. Right, because scrimming with the EU teams wouldn't have improved the Chinese teams at all...seriously, take your salty tears somewhere else. Considering that the Europeans couldn't deal with the Chinese's aggression, Europe benefited a lot more. Gambit got stomped so hard by OMG they had to adjust their early game to be less passive. Fnatic lost their first game in 20 minutes with every lane losing. Considering that almost everyone is doing 3v1 dives is the direct result of OMG scrimming with everyone.
source?
edit: about throwing thing. Well in SCBW Korean players used to throw at WCG in group stage just to not meet in the next stage. EVery WCG ended like 3 first spots Koreans. Idk how it was in SC2 just I didnt follow it, but in SCBW Koreans did it pretty often im sure. I hope times changed tho.
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On September 20 2013 19:34 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 18:54 napo wrote:On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. I didnt said it would not be a bad thing to do, just that I would not feel ashamed if they did it. Also if you have no idea about the sc2 scene, just gtfo and dont tell me it's a lie, when I'm following the scene since pretty much day 1 beta. Don't be an ignorant dick, go do your search or ask anyone from here who follows the scene. Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 19:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:54 napo wrote:On September 20 2013 18:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote:
If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. Lol? Not sure how anyone could ever say this. It's pretty fucking disgraceful for either side. But yeah, blind fanboyism can make people retarded I guess. And what you said was pretty much a lie. Yeah, calling people retarded without knowing them, will surely make you look like a wise person. I didnt said it would not be a bad thing to do, just that I would not feel ashamed if they did it. Also if you have no idea about the sc2 scene, just gtfo and dont tell me it's a lie, when I'm following the scene since pretty much day 1 beta. Don't be an ignorant dick, go do your search or ask anyone from here who follows the scene. Wow! Sc2 since beta? that's pretty hardcore. I don't think I need to tell anyone what the result would be if intentional game throwing occurred from any team at worlds. It's especially frowned upon in korea, but that would require you to know about sc history before sc2 came along. lololololol + Show Spoiler +"since pretty much day 1 beta" Does that mean you literally know nothing about the match fixing? Since when match fixing = throwing games? Everyone knows about matchfixing, that people took some money to lose on purpose. But that has nothing to do with what I said - that most of the foreigners had difficulty to find practice partners in Korea, cause the replays always got leaked. This is the same as if Fnatic would throw the game - just helping some EU comrades, just like the korean SC players did, helping each other, rather than the foreigner dudes.
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can someone pls explain why fnatic could only ban 2 champions vs ozone?
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On September 20 2013 20:38 CROrens wrote:
can someone pls explain why fnatic could only ban 2 champions vs ozone?
It seemed that it was because they switch the champions after that 20sec mark
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Fnatic won't purposely lose against Gambit. But when they are guaranteed #1 in the group they won't be able to play with the same focus as usual. They just can't. Teams lose this last percent of effort in "real" sports too when they have qualified for play-offs or are champions already. This percent can cause the difference between winning and losing in such a tight competition like the WCS.
So it will be more likely for Fnatic to lose than under normal circumstances but they won't collude with Gambit to give them the 2nd place. Riot is going to brief Fnatic about it and they will be punished if there's any evidence. What has Fnatic to win with collusion anyways? They are miles ahead of any team in the group and won't mind facing any of them again in the semis or grandfinals.
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On September 20 2013 19:58 koziol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 16:13 BackSideAttack wrote:On September 20 2013 16:10 vthree wrote:On September 20 2013 16:05 BackSideAttack wrote:
I blame the Chinese teams. They shouldn't have scrimmed so much with the European teams and made them all better. I hope to god it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass. Right, because scrimming with the EU teams wouldn't have improved the Chinese teams at all...seriously, take your salty tears somewhere else. Considering that the Europeans couldn't deal with the Chinese's aggression, Europe benefited a lot more. Gambit got stomped so hard by OMG they had to adjust their early game to be less passive. Fnatic lost their first game in 20 minutes with every lane losing. Considering that almost everyone is doing 3v1 dives is the direct result of OMG scrimming with everyone. source? edit: about throwing thing. Well in SCBW Korean players used to throw at WCG in group stage just to not meet in the next stage. EVery WCG ended like 3 first spots Koreans. Idk how it was in SC2 just I didnt follow it, but in SCBW Koreans did it pretty often im sure. I hope times changed tho.
There were some game histories on their Worlds smurf accounts posted a while back.
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On September 20 2013 20:52 Don_Julio wrote:
Fnatic won't purposely lose against Gambit. But when they are guaranteed #1 in the group they won't be able to play with the same focus as usual. They just can't. Teams lose this last percent of effort in "real" sports too when they have qualified for play-offs or are champions already. This percent can cause the difference between winning and losing in such a tight competition like the WCS.
So it will be more likely for Fnatic to lose than under normal circumstances but they won't collude with Gambit to give them the 2nd place. Riot is going to brief Fnatic about it and they will be punished if there's any evidence. What has Fnatic to win with collusion anyways? They are miles ahead of any team in the group and won't mind facing any of them again in the semis or grandfinals.
This.
I don't think Fnatic will throw the match versus Gambit because only bad things can happen to them if they do that.
However, they have no reason to play 100% or to make special strats they could keep for the bracket stage. And they won't be able to give everything they got if the result doesn't matter. A competitive player gets better when he is under pressure.
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Baa?21244 Posts
fucking ozone get it together
real fkscks
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On September 20 2013 21:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
fucking ozone get it together
real fkscks
Fnatic won both, just for you Cheep.
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On September 10 2013 21:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
man i dont understand this stuff
as i said eu mids are overrated as fuck and dade will dumpster peke in a 1v1
Hue
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