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On September 20 2013 23:33 Steins;Gate wrote: So if Fnatic beats Gambit and SGO wins the next two games then it's tiebreakers?
Edit: Fun fact: San is younger than his KDA at worlds LOL Yep same as if vulcan can make the run. Gambit and SGO split their games so its going to be either another game or its going to get complex up in here.
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So which teams do you people think will go through Group B?
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I'd put my money on fnatic and gambit right now.
fnatic is pretty much set. And therefore probably won't try as hard anymore. Try different champs or w/e. So gambit has a good shot at beating them. And even if they don't tiebreakers between gambit and sso is a close one.
I expect both sso and gambit to beat vulcun
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On September 21 2013 00:00 Keniji wrote: I'd put my money on fnatic and gambit right now.
fnatic is pretty much set. And therefore probably won't try as hard anymore. Try different champs or w/e. So gambit has a good shot at beating them. And even if they don't tiebreakers between gambit and sso is a close one.
I expect both sso and gambit to beat vulcun Vulcun can reeeaallly mess with Ozone or Gambit at this point if they beat either team. If Gambit can edge out Fnatic they've pretty much got it, but I don't really think they can, so it'll probably come down to a tie breaker.
I would say that Fnatic for sure makes it out, and the other team really depends on which Gambit shows up for their next two games.
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Holy crap the fail from Dade this tourney is tremendous
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By the way if Fnatic doesn't throw, it's not that Gambit is out.
It'll be a tiebreaker betweeen Ozone and Gambit, assuming Vulcun doesn't step in and win vs both of them.
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So I waited through all of the Mineski game to watch Fnatic vs Ozone, and then my internet dies right as it starts wtf
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On September 21 2013 00:16 ManBaker wrote: By the way if Fnatic doesn't throw, it's not that Gambit is out.
It'll be a tiebreaker betweeen Ozone and Gambit, assuming Vulcun doesn't step in and win vs both of them.
If Gambit win all of their remaining games they get the 2nd spot. Ozone's fate is out of their hands now they have to hope Gambit loses.
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On September 20 2013 23:56 Silvanel wrote: Fnatic + GG. I would refraine from useing the term GG to refer to gambit for a bit there. some americans will get confused why you think gameing gear will make it out of a group they arn't in and don't suck eggs in.
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Vulcan and SGO are going to be faceing each other tomarrow. Ironicaly if Vulcan wins and gambit lose's to finatic it'll be a direct match between gambit and vulcan to decide who moves on.
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The deciding game for group B will imo be the very first game. If Fnatic wins vs Gambit i dont expect Gambit to advance and I dont see Vulcan as being good enough to beat Ozone, even with Dade derping again.
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On September 21 2013 00:16 ManBaker wrote: By the way if Fnatic doesn't throw, it's not that Gambit is out.
It'll be a tiebreaker betweeen Ozone and Gambit, assuming Vulcun doesn't step in and win vs both of them.
We should step back from calling it a throw/gift (whatever you want to call it) when they haven't even played yet. That's just stupid.
Point is though, that when one team is already qualified (or as good as) they won't be as focused (and when it's only unconsciously).
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Gambit has derped so much that once they get destroyed with another pathetic Fnatic vs Gambit match they'll have to face Ozone in a tiebreaker, and I expect Gambit to derp most of the two. I mean, look at yesterday's game!
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On September 21 2013 00:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote: So I waited through all of the Mineski game to watch Fnatic vs Ozone, and then my internet dies right as it starts wtf Baited.
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I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases.
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On September 21 2013 00:30 Keniji wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 00:16 ManBaker wrote: By the way if Fnatic doesn't throw, it's not that Gambit is out.
It'll be a tiebreaker betweeen Ozone and Gambit, assuming Vulcun doesn't step in and win vs both of them. We should step back from calling it a throw/gift (whatever you want to call it) when they haven't even played yet. That's just stupid. Point is though, that when one team is already qualified (or as good as) they won't be as focused (and when it's only unconsciously). Everything tastes better with a sugarcoating!
But I agree, some people can't really understand that giving away games is natural in every sport, and that it doesn't require one team to come out with white flags.
Oooh, my heart is still broken, if I remember back, when druing the 2002 soccer EC Denmark and Sweden miraculously ended up with the result that meant both of them advance, while Italy did not. Everyone knew that it was coming, but you will never be able to prove it.
Anyway, my champagne is already in the fridge for the 2 advancing European teams (even if it comes to a tiebreaker, this Oozone is pure shit; if Gambit doesn't want to counter the 2 ADs with Karthus [L-O-L, still amazin] then they are fine). I'm not sure if I'd like one of them to meet C9, so that at least there's a guaranteed NA or EU team in the semis, or trust them that at least 2 of them could advance, which would be even better. Tough.
And to address "I qq a lot when I suck, and I actually do that quite often" Dyrus' comment about group B: Yeah, it's easier buddy, but the way you put that out sounded like you are upset, and you think it's not fair. Well, the reason you are even out there at world's because your team played somewhat decently at playoffs, despite being shat on during the split, so please, just be happy teeeee essss eeyyyym is at least out there, as probably will be at s4, and s5, and so forth, though you won't ever advance from the groups with your stone-aged line-up. Also, if you'd be in group B, you MIGHT'VE advanced, which would mean we'd have a mineski/ggeu quality team compared to the rest of the quarter finalists - TSM just can't pull their weight, you never ever win againts decent teams, and no, an underperforming LD hardly counts. At least Fnatic\Gambit\Oozone, HELL, even Vulcun could have a shot at advancing to the semis. All your team does is feeding off the weakness of your scene (or rather the huge gap between decent teams in NA, and 2nd tier teams in NA), and then getting crushed whenever it matters.I'm not even sure how can a TSM fan enjoy this worlds, you have 0 chance going againts OMG and SKT. That's just a terrible feeling. Yes, they are great teams, but please, it's a best of one and you are supposed to be "teeee eessss eyyymmmm omahgad!", one would think at least the matches should be exciting. If it was, let's say, Vulcun going againts them, at least we could hope for some MC and Xmithie magic - maybe they would lose all of their games as well againts them, but at least they COULD be exciting. So shut your mouth Dyrus, I can already see the TSM vlogs, complaining about being in the harder group, and promising tha in S4, you will win the LCS, so you will skip the group stages. Which will be funny, because you won't win LCS, and even if you did, what happens if you start from quarters? Get humiliated like vs Azubu back then in 2 games? What a joke.
+ Show Spoiler +That felt good; that pretentious guy gets on my nerves sometimes
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On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote: I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit:
in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:
Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either 
Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol.
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On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote: I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. Based on his perfromance from midgame onwards, he doesn't respect anything. On the bright side, it's a pretty good synergy with Mata,
Imp: "Imma die for the l0lz, k?" Mata: "Cool man, lemme ult that creep wave for you!" Imp and Mata: "best botlane in the woooooooorld!"
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On September 20 2013 22:16 Spaiku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 22:06 Cubu wrote:On September 20 2013 18:34 napo wrote: If it was the other way around, the Koreans would probably throw the game. It's well-known that any foreigner couldnt find practice partners in KR due to people leaking replays (in sc2 that is). So I won't feel ashamed if Fnatic throws the game to Gambit. I'm pretty sure foreigners had practice partners in KR. And even if what you said was true, two wrongs don't make a right. The story about koreans leaking foreigner replays in sc2 were punctual accusations (mostly Naniwa) and were never proven lol not just naniwa for sc2. and it happened in BW too.
but yes, two wrongs do not make a right, since i was outraged about that, i really want Fnatic to try their hardest to beat GG...subconsciously they wont but i mean consciously they can try. GG will give all they got and probably do better than yesterday...
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