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On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either  Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game.
I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days.
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On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts.
Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know.
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On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts.
Fnatic ran Leona 3 times with 3 different adcs (Caitlyn, Corki, Varus), so I guess Samsung noticed that, and when analyzed Fnatic games, they feel that the problem is not Corki, but the Leona? I mean, Fnatic only played Corki once in the whole tournament, they know Corki is strong, but don't know if Puszu is strong with Corki or not. Since you know Leona is Fnatic's comfortable pick and not sure about Corki, I think they went for Leona, which is reasonable. If you think about it, it might be just a case of over-analyze the situation.
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On September 21 2013 02:55 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Fnatic ran Leona 3 times with 3 different adcs (Caitlyn, Corki, Varus), so I guess Samsung noticed that, and when analyzed Fnatic games, they feel that the problem is not Corki, but the Leona? I mean, Fnatic only played Corki once in the whole tournament, they know Corki is strong, but don't know if Puszu is strong with Corki or not. Since you know Leona is Fnatic's comfortable pick and not sure about Corki, I think they went for Leona, which is reasonable. If you think about it, it might be just a case of over-analyze the situation.
Ban Corki, pick Janna Cait; easy mode. Where can I apply for SSO's coaching position??
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On September 21 2013 02:11 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 01:56 WhiteDog wrote:
Shit son, KissBlade will have to find a lot of excuses to actually make us believe Ozone is still the best team in the group. Err why was I brought up randomly? I didn't even really post or read this thread but just for reference I actually thought GG & Fnatic was going to make it out of this group and thought GG were going to take Ozone last night.
Do you search TL for name references of yourself? Total Biscuit
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rewatching the game I just realized that Mata airballed the fiddle ult not once but twice lol and both times Soaz saw it coming and just shadowed away
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So, how do you people think tsm vs fnatic would go? Tsm said they were winning scrims, but im not certain about that in a real tourney ;o
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On September 21 2013 03:51 Artok wrote:
So, how do you people think tsm vs fnatic would go? Tsm said they were winning scrims, but im not certain about that in a real tourney ;o
tsm would prob get dookied on since they've been choking in almost every group stage game.
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On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days.
Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense.
On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know.
Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that?
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On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense.
Zyra is the only support with a particularly positive winrate.
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On September 21 2013 03:51 Artok wrote:
So, how do you people think tsm vs fnatic would go? Tsm said they were winning scrims, but im not certain about that in a real tourney ;o
According to C9 they were always even in scrims and got beaten up pretty badly numerous times by them. Now look what did it matter when the stakes were real.
The only way Fnatic could lose a real match (Bo1, they'd never drop a BoX againts them) vs TSM if they would over-strategize it, because they'd be stupid enough to respect TSM, so they try some weird stuff.
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On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that?
Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself.
Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see.
Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded.
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On September 21 2013 03:26 AsnSensation wrote:
rewatching the game I just realized that Mata airballed the fiddle ult not once but twice lol and both times Soaz saw it coming and just shadowed away
Oh I noticed it.
On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded.
The desk brought that up the other day as well if they were paying attention.
On September 21 2013 02:20 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. Agreed. Worlds has really shown some glaring issues with the KR scene.
I wouldn't say that. You can make up all the excuses in the world for them but at the end of the day bad play is bad play.
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At the end of the day SKT still looks super strong and we haven't even seen Sword lol.
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On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded.
Corki overall winrate: 40%
Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41%
Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44%
Clearly.
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Seems NJSW will be playing with someone called Nagne instead of Ssong
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On September 21 2013 04:35 Nos- wrote:
Seems NJSW will be playing with someone called Nagne instead of Ssong
any source?
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On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly.
clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%!
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On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%!
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On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary
Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game.
On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans.
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