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On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either  Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans.
That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead.
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On September 21 2013 04:35 Nos- wrote:
Seems NJSW will be playing with someone called Nagne instead of Ssong
source ?
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On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:
On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans.
Because boiling the draft down to "this champ wins a lot, we should ban it" is a vast oversimplification of how drafting works?
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On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:
Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game.
On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead.
Thresh maybe. Being banned like crazy but is only 2-5 when he actually gets through. That's probably an unreliable stat, but still. When you have that large of a sample, at some point you need to start wondering.
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On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:On September 21 2013 00:57 Sandster wrote:
I really want to know what Ozone's coaches have been doing - letting Fnatic get Zed, Kass, Corki, and Aatrox??? Then again Gambit is almost Ozone level in horrendous pick/ban phases. Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: in Korean meta Aatrox is considered a very weak champion and most Korean teams will be glad for it to be picked by the other team. The casters/analysts on the korean stream said he is too easily countered and is very weak without his passive up (lose in a countergank). It was tried in Korea after seeing the success in Europe but quickly dropped Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:Im happy that ozone showed that korean's fast pace game still works. and especially europeans use aatrox jungle and koreans weren't doing so well against him, but this game ozone showed 'this is why you dont play aatrox jungle.' As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly.
ROFL, clearly, yeah.
Clearly TF was not op cuz NA had a negative W/L ratio. Clearly Diana was the statue of balance with her 50% w/l. Clearly Fizz is underpowered, just look at Regi's stats! That fish clearly needs more burst. On the other hand, Janna and Malzahar are rocking soloQ, so they clearly needs serious nerfs.
I'd so like to see a team managed by you, lol. Even if they were star players, your advices such as "brothers, Corki has 40% win rate, don't waste ban on that!" would lead them to great success.
Whether you can accept the fact he's broken, or want to live in a denial, is up to you. Everyone who actually watches the game, can see what Corki is right now - he rapes everything and everyone, and jst because he can't 5v1 everything (at least not from the start), it doesn't mean he doesn't need to be banned. But don't worry, every messed up champ had its' own defenders in their time. "Whaaaat, Ezreal is fineeee", then 20 nerfs later he was still pick or ban, which makes you wonder how delusional those people were.
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This isn't solo queue. You don't just blanket-ban things that are strong.
There are a lot of considerations with regard to how comfortable you feel with the champ, how comfortable you think the opponent is with it, where it's priority fits in the draft (first pick/second pick being able to contest it), how it fits the respective playstyles of the teams involved, etc.
Drafting is simply not something that you can look at on an isolated pick-by-pick basis. It's a lot deeper than that.
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On September 21 2013 05:04 TheYango wrote:
This isn't solo queue. You don't just blanket-ban things that are strong.
There are a lot of considerations with regard to how comfortable you feel with the champ, how comfortable you think the opponent is with it, where it's priority fits in the draft (first pick/second pick being able to contest it), how it fits the respective playstyles of the teams involved, etc.
Pretty much this, there are just some players or certain strats that you ban out, cuz the teams are very strong with them.
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On September 21 2013 02:44 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:11 KissBlade wrote:On September 21 2013 01:56 WhiteDog wrote:
Shit son, KissBlade will have to find a lot of excuses to actually make us believe Ozone is still the best team in the group. Err why was I brought up randomly? I didn't even really post or read this thread but just for reference I actually thought GG & Fnatic was going to make it out of this group and thought GG were going to take Ozone last night. It's because of jetlag.
I'm gonna throw the BS flag at that. Going from East Coast to Paris had me jetlagged for 2 days if I landed in the morning, 3 at max.
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On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:On September 21 2013 01:13 Kiett wrote:[quote] Apparently in Korea, Aatrox is considered a crap jungler. From reddit: [quote] Also, after the Gambit vs Ozone game, CloudTemplar said on broadcast:[quote] As for Zed/Kass, they just got mind-gamed and outdrafted. The Liss/Fiddle was supposed to counter the Zed pick I think, but they weren't expecting to have to shut down 2 assassins. So they focused on shitting on Peke's Kass, which they did very well, but it basically let Soaz freefarm all game bot lane. Dade feeding on a champ he's never played competitively before didn't help either Corki... I have no idea. I guess Imp just still doesn't respect Corki enough to either play him or ban him or counter him properly lol. And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie. If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD. Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead.
Sona 33% win rate. Worst support champion ever created? When will riot rework her? She's clearly outdated, and not fit into the current meta. Season 3 changes hit her hard.
#savesona2013
On September 21 2013 05:10 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 02:44 WhiteDog wrote:On September 21 2013 02:11 KissBlade wrote:On September 21 2013 01:56 WhiteDog wrote:
Shit son, KissBlade will have to find a lot of excuses to actually make us believe Ozone is still the best team in the group. Err why was I brought up randomly? I didn't even really post or read this thread but just for reference I actually thought GG & Fnatic was going to make it out of this group and thought GG were going to take Ozone last night. It's because of jetlag. I'm gonna throw the BS flag at that. Going from East Coast to Paris had me jetlagged for 2 days if I landed in the morning, 3 at max.
I think he was joking. i mean ,he can't be serious... right??
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On September 21 2013 05:10 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:
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And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie.
If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD.
Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead. Sona 33% win rate. Worst support champion ever created? When will riot rework her? She's clearly outdated, and not fit into the current meta. Season 3 changes hit her hard. #savesona2013 Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 05:10 Gahlo wrote:On September 21 2013 02:44 WhiteDog wrote:On September 21 2013 02:11 KissBlade wrote:On September 21 2013 01:56 WhiteDog wrote:
Shit son, KissBlade will have to find a lot of excuses to actually make us believe Ozone is still the best team in the group. Err why was I brought up randomly? I didn't even really post or read this thread but just for reference I actually thought GG & Fnatic was going to make it out of this group and thought GG were going to take Ozone last night. It's because of jetlag. I'm gonna throw the BS flag at that. Going from East Coast to Paris had me jetlagged for 2 days if I landed in the morning, 3 at max. I think he was joking. i mean ,he can't be serious... right??
Sona's power chord was nerfed a few patches ago. And there's that chinese dragon support coming down the pipe.
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On September 21 2013 05:10 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:On September 21 2013 01:51 Sandster wrote:
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And in NA/EU, we would consider Annie a crap pick too, but no one is going to let Royal get Annie.
If a professional coach is too mired in groupthink in thinking champions are weak, and refuse to admit that certain players simply excel on those champions (e.g. Zion with Riven), you don't deserve to be a coach. NA/EU teams don't even have dedicated coaches and still outdrafted Ozone HARD.
Ozone gave Fnatic their 3 favorite/best champions, and extremely strong picks to the other 2. They deserve to lose that game. I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 02:38 Sandster wrote:
To be fair - Leona has always loved laning with Corki, and so that is a ridiculously strong bot lane right now.
But then ban the freaking Corki, not the Leona. Oh my god my head hurts. Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead. Sona 33% win rate. Worst support champion ever created? When will riot rework her? She's clearly outdated, and not fit into the current meta. Season 3 changes hit her hard. #savesona2013 Dear Summoners,
Here at Riot, we thought 90% of our playerbase was getting distracted by Sona's clevage and weren't able to play at thier peak because of this. We thought Sona's lore was a dead end so we reimagined her as a Nun who has taken a vow of silence. To reflect the change in lore, all of Sona's improper skins have been removed, with the exception of Silent Night and her Etwahl is now a steam punky mobile organ, and her ult now makes people pray instead of dance. We think these changes fill a distinct niche that we haven't tackled in the past in our game and is fertile ground for our lore department that is Iron Stylus trying to keep 3 chimpanzees coordinated.
See you on the Rift,
Riot Ruinyafun
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On September 21 2013 05:16 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 05:10 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:
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I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:
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Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead. Sona 33% win rate. Worst support champion ever created? When will riot rework her? She's clearly outdated, and not fit into the current meta. Season 3 changes hit her hard. #savesona2013 Dear Summoners, Here at Riot, we thought 90% of our playerbase was getting distracted by Sona's clevage and weren't able to play at thier peak because of this. We thought Sona's lore was a dead end so we reimagined her as a Nun who has taken a vow of silence. To reflect the change in lore, all of Sona's improper skins have been removed, with the exception of Silent Night and her Etwahl is now a steam punky mobile organ, and her ult now makes people pray instead of dance. We think these changes fill a distinct niche that we haven't tackled in the past in our game and is fertile ground for our lore department that is Iron Stylus trying to keep 3 chimpanzees coordinated. See you on the Rift, Riot Ruinyafun
Dear Summoners,
We would like to apologize to the non-religious community that has taken offense with the religious undertone of our newly redesigned nun-Sona. In order to keep her competitively viable, and politically correct, we have decided to re-imagine her as a giant black block. Therefore there will no longer be the religious connotation nor any boobies to distract you guys. Her lore has been changed to reflect this change. IronStylus is hard at work creating the new model and lore for the new Sona, until then she has been disabled from gameplay.
Sincerely,
Riot.
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On September 21 2013 05:16 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 05:10 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 02:45 Kuja900 wrote:
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I don't think anyone considers Annie crap. People are just queezy about picking things with no mobility these days. Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense. On September 21 2013 02:46 Volband wrote:
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Nah, Leona-Ashe too scary. Volley-burst and stuff, you know. Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead. Sona 33% win rate. Worst support champion ever created? When will riot rework her? She's clearly outdated, and not fit into the current meta. Season 3 changes hit her hard. #savesona2013 Dear Summoners, Here at Riot, we thought 90% of our playerbase was getting distracted by Sona's clevage and weren't able to play at thier peak because of this. We thought Sona's lore was a dead end so we reimagined her as a Nun who has taken a vow of silence. To reflect the change in lore, all of Sona's improper skins have been removed, with the exception of Silent Night and her Etwahl is now a steam punky mobile organ, and her ult now makes people pray instead of dance. We think these changes fill a distinct niche that we haven't tackled in the past in our game and is fertile ground for our lore department that is Iron Stylus trying to keep 3 chimpanzees coordinated. See you on the Rift, Riot Ruinyafun
*1 month later*
Dear Summoners,
Here at Riot, we agree that we could've done a much better job with Sona's rework. Howewer, we learned a lot during her rework process, and thanks to Your feedbacks, we can make sure of that, we never repeat the same mistakes again. We also apologize for the fact, that Sona's only skin now is a retired one, here at Riot, we didn't think it was going to be a huge issue. And to those, who think we completely killed off her unique personality with the lore change, just as we did with Trundle's (from which we learned a lot, thanks to You), we promise we learned a lot about how we should handle champion reworks. We really learned a lot this time, and we will listen to your feedback before we release a new rework. Thank you for your understanding!
In other news, reworked Poppy is coming out tomorrow. Her lore now depicts her as a ruthless murderer, who murders for the sake of murdering, and her ultimate goal is to be the murderer queen of murder land. Her new voice over now only contains memes from the internet, which will have nothing to do with her renewed, deep persona, but they are almost as funny and orignal Trundle's.
Thank you for your continous support,
Love, Riot.
Patch Notes:
Corki - Due to his poor performance at Worlds (40% win rate) in the hands of the best players in the world, we felt this little yordle really needs a little help from us.
Hextech Sharpnel Shells: Now procs with crit damage again. - Why not, right?
Phosphorus Bomb: Damage at lvl 5 increased to 400, now also has a 40% AD ratio on it - hi burst is clearly not strong enough
Hecarim - Removed. Fuck horses.
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Just looked at the odds for today's game at Pinacle
SKT are -3000 to win against GG.eu. To put it simply you need to bet $3,000 to win $100. Suffice to say SKT is a heavy favourite
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On September 21 2013 05:29 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 05:16 Gahlo wrote:On September 21 2013 05:10 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 04:58 Numy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On September 21 2013 04:51 heartlxp wrote:On September 21 2013 04:34 Iceman331 wrote:On September 21 2013 04:06 Volband wrote:On September 21 2013 03:55 Iceman331 wrote:
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Top 3 supports: Zyra, Sona, Thresh. Sona is the only one of the three with any kind of mobility aid. Your statement makes no sense.
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Guys, Corki is sitting on a 40% win rate over 15 games at this tournament. Why would you waste a ban on that? Take out all the Mineski and GGEU matches from the statistics, also, Genja just suicided yesterday with him, making a hard lane completely unwinnable for himself. Not every op champion has uber high winrates (oooh, do you miss 100% win rate Evelynn??), just think about IPL5 Diana. She was beyond broken, but amateur blokes, like Regi wanted to abuse her, but in the end he could only weaken her overall w/l ratio. Corki clearly op, and no amount of statistics could prove it otherwise, because we all see what we see. Look what Puszu did with that 2 kills againts SSO, that was just disgusting. The burst, the speed, the range, the mobility - insane. I liked s2 Corki, but this version of him is completely retarded. Corki overall winrate: 40% Corki winrate discounting MSK games: 41% Corki winrate discounting MSK and GG.EU games: 44% Clearly. clearly you're not cherry picking stats enough, once you narrow it down to the "correct" sample, his win rate will be 100%! cleary Of course. Corki's win rate in the games Corki wins is 100%. Obviously Corki should be banned every game. On a more serious note, why the hell isn't Zyra being banned. 67% win rate over 18 picks. 3 total bans. That logic gets you trapped pretty easily. There might be something being banned that would have a higher winrate over the picks if Zyra was being banned instead. Sona 33% win rate. Worst support champion ever created? When will riot rework her? She's clearly outdated, and not fit into the current meta. Season 3 changes hit her hard. #savesona2013 Dear Summoners, Here at Riot, we thought 90% of our playerbase was getting distracted by Sona's clevage and weren't able to play at thier peak because of this. We thought Sona's lore was a dead end so we reimagined her as a Nun who has taken a vow of silence. To reflect the change in lore, all of Sona's improper skins have been removed, with the exception of Silent Night and her Etwahl is now a steam punky mobile organ, and her ult now makes people pray instead of dance. We think these changes fill a distinct niche that we haven't tackled in the past in our game and is fertile ground for our lore department that is Iron Stylus trying to keep 3 chimpanzees coordinated. See you on the Rift, Riot Ruinyafun *1 month later* Dear Summoners, Here at Riot, we agree that we could've done a much better job with Sona's rework. Howewer, we learned a lot during her rework process, and thanks to Your feedbacks, we can make sure of that, we never repeat the same mistakes again. We also apologize for the fact, that Sona's only skin now is a retired one, here at Riot, we didn't think it was going to be a huge issue. And to those, who think we completely killed off her unique personality with the lore change, just as we did with Trundle's (from which we learned a lot, thanks to You), we promise we learned a lot about how we should handle champion reworks. We really learned a lot this time, and we will listen to your feedback before we release a new rework. Thank you for your understanding! In other news, reworked Poppy is coming out tomorrow. Her lore now depicts her as a ruthless murderer, who murders for the sake of murdering, and her ultimate goal is to be the murderer queen of murder land. Her new voice over now only contains memes from the internet, which will have nothing to do with her renewed, deep persona, but they are almost as funny and orignal Trundle's. Thank you for your continous support, Love, Riot. Patch Notes: Corki - Due to his poor performance at Worlds (40% win rate) in the hands of the best players in the world, we felt this little yordle really needs a little help from us. Hextech Sharpnel Shells: Now procs with crit damage again. - Why not, right? Phosphorus Bomb: Damage at lvl 5 increased to 400, now also has a 40% AD ratio on it - hi burst is clearly not strong enough Hecarim - Removed. Fuck horses.
We should run Riot for a day.
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On September 21 2013 05:30 Amethyst21 wrote:
Just looked at the odds for today's game at Pinacle
SKT are -3000 to win against GG.eu. To put it simply you need to bet $3,000 to win $100. Suffice to say SKT is a heavy favourite
That's like, free money if you are rich. That's just wrong!
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On September 21 2013 04:58 spellsy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:35 Nos- wrote:
Seems NJSW will be playing with someone called Nagne instead of Ssong source ?
Not surprising Sword's going with Nagne, as they did play the NLB finals with Nagne and have been playing with him for a while.
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On September 21 2013 05:48 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:58 spellsy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:35 Nos- wrote:
Seems NJSW will be playing with someone called Nagne instead of Ssong source ? Not surprising Sword's going with Nagne, as they did play the NLB finals with Nagne and have been playing with him for a while.
I'm not sure if this is true. Ssong left for America, while Nagne didn't leave with sword. I would be very surprised if Ssong is not starting. The word is Nange will be leaving with shield.
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On September 21 2013 05:48 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 04:58 spellsy wrote:On September 21 2013 04:35 Nos- wrote:
Seems NJSW will be playing with someone called Nagne instead of Ssong source ? Not surprising Sword's going with Nagne, as they did play the NLB finals with Nagne and have been playing with him for a while.
Sorry I was on the road, Doublelift tweeted about it. I'm assuming he's reliable with this information
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