[NA LCS] Week 7 - Page 31

On March 31 2013 12:11 ketchup wrote:


You're right, EU #1 varus ult misses.

I've never seen ults misses like Varus ult misses. Even Ashe Arrows land more than Varus ults.

On March 31 2013 12:09 Jaksiel wrote:


Sure, but I was mainly finding it interesting that CLG is under .500 but have beaten the number 1 team twice.

(Also, I only remembered one CLG loss to Curse. I guess this was the last time they play in the regular season, then.)

On March 31 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote:

That's implying that it wasn't for the fact that Link and DL didn't just completely carry.

plus you telling me you'd take HSGG over voyboy?

CLG lost to Curse twice as well.

On March 31 2013 12:14 onlywonderboy wrote:

One of those losses was when Curse tried to cheese them with AP Trynd (with a poor team build around it). I mean a loss is a loss but Curse is still a better team despite them going even for the season.

On March 31 2013 12:09 Jaksiel wrote:


Sure, but I was mainly finding it interesting that CLG is under .500 but have beaten the number 1 team twice.

(Also, I only remembered one CLG loss to Curse. I guess this was the last time they play in the regular season, then.)

On March 31 2013 12:20 daSilvaz wrote:

It's actually worse in EU LCS, Giants beat GG twice and the diference is much bigger.

On March 31 2013 17:15 HeavenS wrote:
wow i just watched TSM vs DIG, holy shit regi pisses me off sometimes. Hes actually been doing pretty good lately so im surprised he sucked so much this game. HORRIBLE engages, yes i know he was the only hard engage they had, that doesnt mean he should go in and engage! To me, the turning point was the dig baron steal, TSM had that fucking game in the bag and that baron steal turned it all around. Super aggressive regi gave away too many kills for no reason, he failed too hard this game ugh such fucking throws.
Wildturtle was so farmed he was putting out insane amounts of damage but horrible positioning and those desperation engages maxe absolutely no use of him. He couldve carried those fights really hard

On March 31 2013 18:09 wei2coolman wrote:

The more I think about it, the less of regi's fault i find it.
Were engages terrible? yes, there's no doubt.
Did TSM have to engage? yes.
why? you ask.
TSM had advantage, the only way to press advantage is to fight. Dig is a team that knows how to crawl back from disadvantage, if you were watching flow of game, Dig was essentially stalling the game as long as possible. If TSM didn't try to force an engage, Dig, no doubt in my mind would've caught up in gold within 5-10min, and essentially TSM would've lost all that hard earned advantage.

When you have a team comp like TSM's your fighting strength is much stronger in a "counter-initiate" scenario. Essentially TSM's ideal fight is when Dig is diving onto them, this is especially true as to how Diana works (huge aoe interrupt, works best when team is diving on you, rather you diving on them). However, TSM never going to get ideal fight with dig initiating, cuz dig was behind, so they're not gunna try and initiate a fight where they're at a disadvantage.

So yes; regi initiate were not ideal; but the bigger issue was TSM was forced to initiate like so; which is a bigger key problem than the execution of it.

On March 31 2013 12:30 cLutZ wrote:


Gambit does...try stuff...though in the LCS. Ashe is not a good pick right now...like ever.

On March 31 2013 19:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The engage initiate was bad; yes. There's no doubt, the fight could have started better off for TSM's initiate. But the bigger issue is that TSM had to create a fight, more-so than the actual botching of the fight.

On March 31 2013 18:09 wei2coolman wrote:

The more I think about it, the less of regi's fault i find it.
Were engages terrible? yes, there's no doubt.
Did TSM have to engage? yes.
why? you ask.
TSM had advantage, the only way to press advantage is to fight. Dig is a team that knows how to crawl back from disadvantage, if you were watching flow of game, Dig was essentially stalling the game as long as possible. If TSM didn't try to force an engage, Dig, no doubt in my mind would've caught up in gold within 5-10min, and essentially TSM would've lost all that hard earned advantage.

When you have a team comp like TSM's your fighting strength is much stronger in a "counter-initiate" scenario. Essentially TSM's ideal fight is when Dig is diving onto them, this is especially true as to how Diana works (huge aoe interrupt, works best when team is diving on you, rather you diving on them). However, TSM never going to get ideal fight with dig initiating, cuz dig was behind, so they're not gunna try and initiate a fight where they're at a disadvantage.

So yes; regi initiate were not ideal; but the bigger issue was TSM was forced to initiate like so; which is a bigger key problem than the execution of it.

On March 31 2013 18:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
wat wat wat... sometimes I have no idea what you're talking about, wei2cool. -_-

The engages were terribad and guess who it falls on? Regi. When Regi Lunar Rushes in (@ 6:57:36 on VOD), friggin' WildTurtle isn't even on the screen. By the time Turtle makes it to the screen to Chain and auto, Regi is dead, OddOne is trying to kill KiWiKiD (not to mention way too low to peel for Turtle by then), and Dyrus is on the verge of dying.
Gold was only 1K in favor of TSM, not sure where you're getting the idea that TSM had to engage. Turtle was 100 CS ahead of qtpie at 36 minutes. He had core of IE, PD, LW done. TSM should not have fought any fight without Turtle there.

And this was only the first Regi dive. There's at least one more when he jumps the gun and TSM gets wiped.

On March 31 2013 19:24 NeoIllusions wrote:


Why exactly do you have this impression that TSM had to make a fight?