On March 29 2013 12:34 niukasu1990 wrote: Team WE is recruiting a sub now. Maybe chaox can try to join and practice there then comeback to NA and dominate NA scene
They have Wx, I don't think they'd settle with chaox even as a sub.
On March 29 2013 13:06 niukasu1990 wrote: WE wont change members, but Riot require each team must have 3 subs,so i think chaox can practice there
Teams in the LCS are required to have two subs, not sure if that rule directly translates to the LPL though. I would love if this happened and Chaox became a monster ADC just because it would make for a great story. ESPN 60 for 60: Kicked, the Fall and Rise of Chaox.
On March 29 2013 13:06 niukasu1990 wrote: WE wont change members, but Riot require each team must have 3 subs,so i think chaox can practice there
Teams in the LCS are required to have two subs, not sure if that rule directly translates to the LPL though. I would love if this happened and Chaox became a monster ADC just because it would make for a great story. ESPN 60 for 60: Kicked, the Fall and Rise of Chaox.
That's about as likely as TRM becoming good. This isn't CLG we're talking about
Mildly interesting that the TL /time code takes the DST change into account but the /date code doesn't. For those confused: Europe switches to summer time this Saturday night, the blue time is the correct one.
On March 29 2013 12:34 niukasu1990 wrote: Team WE is recruiting a sub now. Maybe chaox can try to join and practice there then comeback to NA and dominate NA scene
They have Wx, I don't think they'd settle with chaox even as a sub.
But they might acquire someone who is more familiar with the NA scene to take WE into international fame.
It's perceivable, but I think there are many people they can hire for that kind of purposes... like NeoIllusions!
On March 29 2013 12:34 niukasu1990 wrote: Team WE is recruiting a sub now. Maybe chaox can try to join and practice there then comeback to NA and dominate NA scene
They have Wx, I don't think they'd settle with chaox even as a sub.
But they might acquire someone who is more familiar with the NA scene to take WE into international fame.
It's perceivable, but I think there are many people they can hire for that kind of purposes... like NeoIllusions!
I'd say winning IPL5 made them pretty well known outside of China.
On March 30 2013 02:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote: CLG could fall into 5th place. I can hope!
On March 29 2013 13:06 niukasu1990 wrote: WE wont change members, but Riot require each team must have 3 subs,so i think chaox can practice there
Teams in the LCS are required to have two subs, not sure if that rule directly translates to the LPL though. I would love if this happened and Chaox became a monster ADC just because it would make for a great story. ESPN 60 for 60: Kicked, the Fall and Rise of Chaox.
That's about as likely as TRM becoming good. This isn't CLG we're talking about
It's really hard to be a MRN fan sometimes. Like, last week was alright, and this week with Ecco going to the doctor, Nien living in the house for a while, and Mega looking in top form. But they're just so damn inconsistent, that I'm forced to watch every game until the end knowing that the game could be thrown at any minute.
That being said, Go MRN, I feel there is a strong chance against both Col and Vulcan, Dig however might still be out of their league. Still shaping up to be a solid week for us.
On March 31 2013 03:57 BlackMagister wrote: That would be 4pm EST. East coast is 3 hrs ahead of west coast.
oh have you guys switched to summertime already? Because in europe it's tonight and usually I just jump back 6 hours on my imaginary clock to get EST from my CET
On March 30 2013 02:47 boesthius wrote: fuck i'm so excited for dig vs curse
gonna be sik
I wonder if they will pull anything new out. I'm starting to see that Crs and Dig are really innovating now, though I haven't gotten to watch a ton of LCS.
On March 29 2013 07:40 NeoIllusions wrote: CLG, stop the bleeding plox.
So long as HSGG is top lane; the bleeding will never stop. I still don't like having Chauster in jungle, especially considering how poor CLG's laning phases usually turn out. Chausters talents are literally wasted on how shitty HSGG is.
On March 31 2013 03:57 BlackMagister wrote: That would be 4pm EST. East coast is 3 hrs ahead of west coast.
oh have you guys switched to summertime already? Because in europe it's tonight and usually I just jump back 6 hours on my imaginary clock to get EST from my CET
Yes daylight saving was March 10th for us.
TSM fan so I want TSM to win in a one sided fashion against CLG again, but I imagine they will step it up this week. Even if they're cocky and one dimensional they're still a good team.
What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Lol, yeah CLG is just like a bunch of random soloQ that happens to be played together.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I know that they're good and can back up their shit but maknoon is the best top and he isn't a cunt about it.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
What's wrong with having an ego? It's boring watching interviews where everyone says "well my opponent is really good I just got lucky."
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
This isn't that difficult to understand though. Their reasoning for their arrogance is basically because they ARE the best players on their team. When they were duo bot lane, their reputation was for never losing their bot lane. It was seriously the strongest part of CLG in their somewhat better days. This is why hotshotgg was able to play jungle even when he was lacking in the role. He never had to worry about their bot lane getting absolutely demolished. So, it's a fairly understandable statement by them.
Now, add this to the fact that some of it is just showmanship, you get the idea of what doublelift is. And Chauster is just Chauster. Any interview or questions he's asked, he's just blunt and straightforward. Just watch Chauster's grilled interview or read/skim through his ama on their forums.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Why chauster switched to jungle?
This was also in that grilled interview, but I can't quite recall the answer or where in the interview it was at. Toorin does a good job of his timestamps btw. Here it is:
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Why chauster switched to jungle?
Voyboy got benched so hotshot went back up top and I guess chauster decided he'd rather he jungle than sup.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
What's wrong with having an ego? It's boring watching interviews where everyone says "well my opponent is really good I just got lucky."
That's just a matter of personal opinion. You can have an ego, but the whole "everyone else is trash" mentality is a bit too abrasive for my tastes.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Why chauster switched to jungle?
Voyboy got benched so hotshot went back up top and I guess chauster decided he'd rather he jungle than sup.
I think the reasoning were that Chauster and Liftlift could win a lane on their own and thus it was a waste to have them both on the same lane.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane Korean jungle i guess?
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Why chauster switched to jungle?
Voyboy got benched so hotshot went back up top and I guess chauster decided he'd rather he jungle than sup.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Why chauster switched to jungle?
Voyboy got benched so hotshot went back up top and I guess chauster decided he'd rather he jungle than sup.
Hotshot still wanted to play so going Top lane was a no brainer for him, then they wanted to bring in Locodoco to Support so moving Chauster to the Jungle seemed the best option for them. Then Lee Sin got nerfed and Chauster isn't as scary in the Jungle hue.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I know that they're good and can back up their shit but maknoon is the best top and he isn't a cunt about it.
I think you don't speak Korean, thats why you don't hear about it.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
KR bot lanes still good (Captain Jack, Score, Woong was good despite being hated). WX the best and Kid pretty good too though.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane KoreanRussian jungle i guess?
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane KoreanRussian jungle i guess?
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane KoreanRussian jungle i guess?
FTFY
That's not fully correct though. It's about the synergy with jungle and top lane from what I've heard people say so far(or the synergy between jungle and mid lane). I'd rather have a korean jungler + korean top than to have Diamondprox in any other team besides m5. I can't believe that would ever work.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane KoreanRussian jungle i guess?
FTFY
Russian Mid lane, too.
I see your Alex Ich and raise you Ambition. This is coming from a big Alex fan too.
Wither + Cait range; overkill peel? CLG won't have the damage to kill TSM; is what I'm thinking. DL needs to go 6 offensive item build in order to actually deal damage against TSM's teamcomp.
Yup, with lux pick; not enough damage coming from CLG to deal with TSM.
On March 31 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote: Wither + Cait range; overkill peel? CLG won't have the damage to kill TSM; is what I'm thinking. DL needs to go 6 offensive item build in order to actually deal damage against TSM's teamcomp.
Yup, with lux pick; not enough damage coming from CLG to deal with TSM.
I'm not too sure I follow this train of thought, please explain
On March 31 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote: Wither + Cait range; overkill peel? CLG won't have the damage to kill TSM; is what I'm thinking. DL needs to go 6 offensive item build in order to actually deal damage against TSM's teamcomp.
Yup, with lux pick; not enough damage coming from CLG to deal with TSM.
o.o Lux is quite a bit of magic damage, nothing to scoff at if played well.
On March 31 2013 04:52 Caphe wrote: What if TSM lost to CLG and HotshotGG did well while WT did horrible...That would be so interesting to see . In all seriousness I think TSM has 70% chance of winning maybe even more. CLG is just too terrible right now.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane KoreanRussian jungle i guess?
FTFY
That's not fully correct though. It's about the synergy with jungle and top lane from what I've heard people say so far(or the synergy between jungle and mid lane). I'd rather have a korean jungler + korean top than to have Diamondprox in any other team besides m5. I can't believe that would ever work.
Eh, I'm looking at this holistically. Wx (and Uzi, to an extent & in due time) is the benchmark for ADCs everywhere. Of course he fits best with WE because they've practiced and comp around him.
Diamondprox is the same. Korean Junglers mesh extremely well with their team but they don't define them. Diamond on the other hand, again benchmark for Junglers every-fucking-where (hello Voli/Nasus) and of course he makes M5 looks amazing. Has been doing so since Kiev last year.
If you wanted a real problem with CLG, it's probably going to be Nunu. Unless chauster absolutely counters/dominates oddone(which is why I assume nunu was picked), it's going to be a pretty weird choice for jungle.
On March 31 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote: Wither + Cait range; overkill peel? CLG won't have the damage to kill TSM; is what I'm thinking. DL needs to go 6 offensive item build in order to actually deal damage against TSM's teamcomp.
Yup, with lux pick; not enough damage coming from CLG to deal with TSM.
I'm not too sure I follow this train of thought, please explain
Just saw this in EU LCS; sushei (misplay was a big part of it), but Lux simply doesn't do enough damage to burst that tankiness. Lux doesn't do enough DPS to melt down tankichamps. Seriously 1 Bulwark will destroy whatever damage Link is going to be put out.
But I was watching Link carry Scarra in solo queue, with Lux (went like 20-2); so if CLG can get early game lead, they'll have to force the win in midgame to maximize link's dmg potential.
On March 31 2013 05:21 Dan HH wrote: Cait has been the FotM go to carry in China for the past several months, why are people here pissed whenever she gets picked in LCS NA?
She's annoying to play against. A properly played Cait is as hard, if not harder to catch than Ez.
On March 31 2013 05:23 Chrispy wrote: Lane swaps.... more like Lame swaps... am i rite???
On March 31 2013 05:21 Dan HH wrote: Cait has been the FotM go to carry in China for the past several months, why are people here pissed whenever she gets picked in LCS NA?
Cait is a fine pick in general, I just don't think it fits their comp. It's like a pseudo-protect and ADC except Doublelift isn't playing a hyper carry like Kog
On March 31 2013 05:17 wei2coolman wrote: Wither + Cait range; overkill peel? CLG won't have the damage to kill TSM; is what I'm thinking. DL needs to go 6 offensive item build in order to actually deal damage against TSM's teamcomp.
Yup, with lux pick; not enough damage coming from CLG to deal with TSM.
I'm not too sure I follow this train of thought, please explain
Just saw this in EU LCS; sushei (misplay was a big part of it), but Lux simply doesn't do enough damage to burst that tankiness. Lux doesn't do enough DPS to melt down tankichamps. Seriously 1 Bulwark will destroy whatever damage Link is going to be put out.
But I was watching Link carry Scarra in solo queue, with Lux (went like 20-2); so if CLG can get early game lead, they'll have to force the win in midgame to maximize link's dmg potential.
Thank you, I can understand that, and agree with it easily.
Honestly I am tuning in LCS this week just to see CLG lose. It's so fun.
Last week I watched the CLG vs DIG game 3 times.
Wow you really dislike CLG haha.
To be fair I too enjoy seeing clg lose, mostly because I can't stand how arrogant chauster and doublelift are.
Even scarra admits Chauster + doublelift is the only bottom lane in NA that can beat Asian botlanes. they're arrogant, because they are that good.
I kinda missed Chausterlift. I hate their ego as well but it was nice having an NA lane that could match up to KR teams.
Actually, Chinese bot lane is the best right now not the Koreans.
Chinese bot lane EU mid lane Korean top lane KoreanRussian jungle i guess?
FTFY
That's not fully correct though. It's about the synergy with jungle and top lane from what I've heard people say so far(or the synergy between jungle and mid lane). I'd rather have a korean jungler + korean top than to have Diamondprox in any other team besides m5. I can't believe that would ever work.
Eh, I'm looking at this holistically. Wx (and Uzi, to an extent & in due time) is the benchmark for ADCs everywhere. Of course he fits best with WE because they've practiced and comp around him.
Diamondprox is the same. Korean Junglers mesh extremely well with their team but they don't define them. Diamond on the other hand, again benchmark for Junglers every-fucking-where (hello Voli/Nasus) and of course he makes M5 looks amazing. Has been doing so since Kiev last year.
On March 31 2013 05:21 Dan HH wrote: Cait has been the FotM go to carry in China for the past several months, why are people here pissed whenever she gets picked in LCS NA?
Cait is a fine pick in general, I just don't think it fits their comp. It's like a pseudo-protect and ADC except Doublelift isn't playing a hyper carry like Kog
Depends; if Doublelift goes full 6 offensive item + nunu, it'll be plenty hypercarry enough.
On March 31 2013 05:21 Dan HH wrote: Cait has been the FotM go to carry in China for the past several months, why are people here pissed whenever she gets picked in LCS NA?
Cait is a fine pick in general, I just don't think it fits their comp. It's like a pseudo-protect and ADC except Doublelift isn't playing a hyper carry like Kog
Depends; if Doublelift goes full 6 offensive item + nunu, it'll be plenty hypercarry enough.
I guess, I still like Kog better, would do more damage. Plus after the BB nerf the damage drop off for late game Cait is noticeable.
Hsgg trying his hand in midlane now? wut next? ADC? lulz. with cait's range + this level of peel coming from rest of CLG; 6-offensive item cait can be very viable.
On March 31 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote: This is some sick lane swapping action, All this lane rotation is actually really sexy to watch.
Yes CLG are playing really smart so far
I actually love CLG's strategy play. It's actually very fucking smart. They hate teamfights, they play this game as if fighting is pointless. It's really fun to watch imo.
It's actually really sexy how much farm there is despite all this lane swapping.
Feels like TSM is playing to CLG tempo instead of their own tempo. M5 tends to just let their towers fall then gain advantages elsewhere with dragon/more farm so they don't allow themselves to be dragged into a tempo they don't want to play.
Getting the outer turrets are easy, though. It'll be interesting to see what they do from now since if it stalls to farming, I think TSM has the better 5v5.
On March 31 2013 05:37 Mensol wrote: If they kill doublelift in tf, its over. CLG relying on doublelift so much.
It's about time they fucking did it. Doublelift focused comps are the best comps for CLG's team.
This game is so fucking beautiful. Best LCS game in weeks. CLG got their shit TOGETHER.
Die Hard CLG fan I guess?
Was CLG fan, more-so DL fan. Bigger Curse fan. I'm actually more of a fan of CLG's no-fight strategy. This kind of tempo control is something you don't see very often.
On March 31 2013 05:34 dottycakes wrote: Getting the outer turrets are easy, though. It'll be interesting to see what they do from now since if it stalls to farming, I think TSM has the better 5v5.
pretty sure if all of clg peel properly clg has the better 5v5 comp lategame, double is already so far ahead of WT
Damn, just decide on something and stick to it, they're trying so hard to kill CLG they just eat Nashor damage for absolutely nothing and when the fight actually erupts they're too low to fucking do anything. Damn. The nashor call was good, but stick through it dammit.
This style just doesn't work in my opinion. CLG has no way to fight except for 5 man teamfights since Dlift is the only one that can do anything. As soon as there are small skirmishes CLG just loses.
On March 31 2013 05:51 Chrispy wrote: CLG messes up once and completely falls apart lol.
That's the strat though. They can only do anything if game is 5v5 and as soon as they lost the tempo TSM forced the game into smaller skirmishes and CLG loses at that point.
It's because the style is so badly balanced. They are like on the edge of a cliff. When it works, it's amazing, but when it doesn't it's this. They made a bad mistake at a seriously bad time. Once they start losing team fights, their lead goes to the other team 100%. If you noticed the gold lead, it was barely in favor of CLG. Around 700 gold only for a large majority of the game.
On March 31 2013 05:51 Caphe wrote: Hmm, Why Hotshot keep attacking on Shen while he can focus on Dianna which is a much easier target to kill even with the Zhonya.
Because Shen had the tower aggro I guess, HSGG's damage being somewhat low. Dyrus probably didn't have much more armour than Regi (Sunfire + 1-2 levels worth of armour vs zhonya).
On March 31 2013 05:52 ketchup wrote: It's because the style is so badly balanced. They are like on the edge of a cliff. When it works, it's amazing, but when it doesn't it's this. They made a bad mistake at a seriously bad time.
On March 31 2013 05:53 Mondeezy wrote: Good point by Deman - how the hell can you deal with two lanes (one split pushing) when you only have one really scary person on your team?
On March 31 2013 05:51 Chrispy wrote: CLG messes up once and completely falls apart lol.
It isn't about messing up once, a team fight happening like that would have always happened. You can't peel dashes with snowball/wither. Then add on the fact that chauster is playing support bitch jungle nunu in a match up where he can't do his job, it's essentially a 4v5. bb plus snowball doesn't make your peeling better. You could win a fight with any peeler if you're winning with nunu hanging in the back.
Never play support bitch jungle nunu. Especially in an unfavorable matchup like xin.
On March 31 2013 05:51 Chrispy wrote: CLG messes up once and completely falls apart lol.
It isn't about messing up once, a team fight happening like that would have always happened. You can't peel dashes with snowball/wither. Then add on the fact that chauster is playing support bitch jungle nunu in a match up where he can't do his job, it's essentially a 4v5. bb plus snowball doesn't make your peeling better. You could win a fight with any peeler if you're winning with nunu hanging in the back.
Never play support bitch jungle nunu. Especially in an unfavorable matchup like xin.
Ehh?? They fucked up that blue fight bad and up to that point they were doing fine.
Dlift and Aphro need a new team. I feel like Link/Chauster arent really good at all and there is nothing special about them. HSGG is ok but he cant carry and only plays supportive tops. CLG needs better players and actual threats besides Doublelift
On March 31 2013 05:53 Mondeezy wrote: Good point by Deman - how the hell can you deal with two lanes (one split pushing) when you only have one really scary person on your team?
pretty sure nasus can 1v1 shen... =/
Not dyrus on shen at that time. He had built no damage he didn't even have a frozen gauntlet/fist. Shen with the triforce would have destroyed him. Though Nasus can 1v1 a shen np in general, at that point that nasus could not. Also, I'm confused why CLG ran the strat they did, their laning isn't nearly strong enough to pull that off vs TSM. TSM's laning is much better from what I just saw.
A Malphite for Hotshot would be better than Nasus...and his Nasus build is bad. One good thing that come from this is CLG actually playing and dieing like a team with a PLAN now unlike last week where you could not see any plan at all. A bit of improvement I guess but doesn't good enough to beat TSM.
On March 31 2013 05:54 mr_tolkien wrote: Why Barrier on Cait against Shen ? I don't get it :o
That (and Lulu) are TSM's only real "hard" cc. Cleanse doesn't help against Diana+Xin, so Barrier's mostly extra burst shield on top of Lux+Janna.
Really though, they should've played Trist or something instead of Cait. Cait just not enough damage. Was an interesting bit of lane swapping, up until CLG got caught and murdered.
But eh, tbh I feel like Aphro didn't make the impact he needed. The first real teamfight and he gets blown up without peeling+CCing, and in the end, he's the one who needed to negate and cancel TSM's gapclosers mid-dash.
On March 31 2013 05:53 Mondeezy wrote: Good point by Deman - how the hell can you deal with two lanes (one split pushing) when you only have one really scary person on your team?
pretty sure nasus can 1v1 shen... =/
Well yeah, if they sit there and duke it out for five minutes. But you can't really sit there and stop him, plus you're going to have nobody slowing Draven/Diana from demolishing Dlift. Other than that Shen can literally do whatever he wants and not fear getting wrecked because HSGG always plays some supporty tanky top.
On March 31 2013 05:57 Caphe wrote: A Malphite for Hotshot would be better than Nasus...and his Nasus build is bad. One good thing that come from this is CLG actually playing and dieing like a team with a PLAN now unlike last week where you could not see any plan at all. A bit of improvement I guess but doesn't good enough to beat TSM.
This is probably what they wanted, but TSM smartly banned Malphite.
TSM's game really stepped up with the Wildturtle change it seems. They just have a lot more cohesion with one shot caller. I thought they handled the lane swap really well even though it caught them off guard. Also the team fights were just much crisper than CLG's (who mostly just ran around and HSGG tunnel visioning on his wither for Draven cause I don't even think his presence existed during team fights outside of spirit fire.)
On March 31 2013 05:56 Mazzi wrote: Dlift and Aphro need a new team. I feel like Link/Chauster arent really good at all and there is nothing special about them. HSGG is ok but he cant carry and only plays supportive tops. CLG needs better players and actual threats besides Doublelift
Oh don't put Aphro on a pedestal, he fucks up more often than any of his teammates.
The lane switching was a good idea with the Janna passive but sadly their execution fell apart mid game. And CLG spent and F ton of money on wards more than TSM just to be able to switch like that safely.
TSM just played that really well. They never gave up too much to the constant tower pushing then when they saw their chance to teamfight they took it and changed the tempo. From there a 4 support team can't do much against split push strat and just crumbled
On March 31 2013 05:56 Mazzi wrote: Dlift and Aphro need a new team. I feel like Link/Chauster arent really good at all and there is nothing special about them. HSGG is ok but he cant carry and only plays supportive tops. CLG needs better players and actual threats besides Doublelift
Oh don't put Aphro on a pedestal, he fucks up more often than any of his teammates.
Agreed. If anything, Chauster and Dlift should be back on bot. HSGG is flat out terrible because he is on the ONLY team in the world that has to build around his weakness (rather than on the strength of the top lane).
On March 31 2013 05:56 Mazzi wrote: Dlift and Aphro need a new team. I feel like Link/Chauster arent really good at all and there is nothing special about them. HSGG is ok but he cant carry and only plays supportive tops. CLG needs better players and actual threats besides Doublelift
Oh don't put Aphro on a pedestal, he fucks up more often than any of his teammates.
Agreed. If anything, Chauster and Dlift should be back on bot. HSGG is flat out terrible because he is on the ONLY team in the world that has to build around his weakness (rather than on the strength of the top lane).
I suppose CLG are trying to fix their weakness (which is Hotshot inability to play bruisers) but it's really too hard, just learn to play other heroes.
On March 31 2013 05:58 Dan HH wrote: Oh don't put Aphro on a pedestal, he fucks up more often than any of his teammates.
As much as I found his plays as ADC flashy and entertaining, I agree. The game was lost at the first teamfight, when Janna blew up without being able to use cooldowns.
On March 31 2013 05:53 daSilvaz wrote: Get Link they said, hes better than kingjiji they said...ROFL
He is better...
We clearly see him doing Maknoongodlike plays this LCS...oh wait
I don't get your logic? just because I say Link is better than bigfatlp, that auto means, Link has to be on Maknoon level? Wtf?
If ur going to say something or someone is better then atleast find something to back those claims, truth is Link is playing like complete shit and even tho jiji was far from his former self, comparing him to Link's play is actually an insult.
On March 31 2013 06:01 WhiteDog wrote: I suppose CLG are trying to fix their weakness (which is Hotshot inability to play bruisers) but it's really too hard, just learn to play other heroes.
I saw him playing Renekton a lot in scrims and solo queue in the past weeks. It was horrible.
On March 31 2013 05:51 Chrispy wrote: CLG messes up once and completely falls apart lol.
It isn't about messing up once, a team fight happening like that would have always happened. You can't peel dashes with snowball/wither. Then add on the fact that chauster is playing support bitch jungle nunu in a match up where he can't do his job, it's essentially a 4v5. bb plus snowball doesn't make your peeling better. You could win a fight with any peeler if you're winning with nunu hanging in the back.
Never play support bitch jungle nunu. Especially in an unfavorable matchup like xin.
Ehh?? They fucked up that blue fight bad and up to that point they were doing fine.
Look at the baron fight that TSM fucked up. Blew up lux for free. Almost got another free kill in aphro. Engaged baron too many times and took too much free damage that Lux was able to respawn. The blue fight happened essentially the same. Blow up a squishy, and nunu or nasus can't do anything about it. The fact that they were grouped stupidly doesn't change the fact that squishies will die and there's nothing CLG could do to stop it.
On March 31 2013 05:53 daSilvaz wrote: Get Link they said, hes better than kingjiji they said...ROFL
He is better...
We clearly see him doing Maknoongodlike plays this LCS...oh wait
I don't get your logic? just because I say Link is better than bigfatlp, that auto means, Link has to be on Maknoon level? Wtf?
If ur going to say something or someone is better then atleast find something to back those claims, truth is Link is playing like complete shit and even tho jiji was far from his former self, comparing him to Link's play is actually an insult.
Wait, what... The problem with Jiji when they replaced him was that jiji was way too passive in lane. He would never lose his lane, but he'd never win it either. He also had very poor jungle control, you almost never see him respond to jungle threats. Link is far more willing to be aggressive. The biggest issue in this game was that the strategy CLG employed, which essentially meant Link couldn't get enough farm.
actually I'll revise my point. Jiji maybe better in certain situations; but for what CLG needs, Link is a far better choice. If jiji was still on CLG, they could only run 1 threat comps, with Link, at least they can open up strategy to 2-threat comps.
On March 31 2013 05:53 daSilvaz wrote: Get Link they said, hes better than kingjiji they said...ROFL
He is better...
We clearly see him doing Maknoongodlike plays this LCS...oh wait
I don't get your logic? just because I say Link is better than bigfatlp, that auto means, Link has to be on Maknoon level? Wtf?
If ur going to say something or someone is better then atleast find something to back those claims, truth is Link is playing like complete shit and even tho jiji was far from his former self, comparing him to Link's play is actually an insult.
Wait, what... The problem with Jiji when they replaced him was that jiji was way too passive in lane. He would never lose his lane, but he'd never win it either. He also had very poor jungle control, you almost never see him respond to jungle threats. Link is far more willing to be aggressive. The biggest issue in this game was that the strategy CLG employed, which essentially meant Link couldn't get enough farm.
actually I'll revise my point. Jiji maybe better in certain situations; but for what CLG needs, Link is a far better choice. If jiji was still on CLG, they could only run 1 threat comps, with Link, at least they can open up strategy to 2-threat comps.
I don't think that's 100% correct. That's what CLG said, but there were times when you can say jiji carried the team as well. If you followed CLG for a while, it's pretty certain that jiji became a huge scapegoat for CLG. I don't know who they blame now, but it's probably Link because he seems like a laid back personality as well(or aphromoo). I don't know about you guys, but that type of environment must absolutely SUCK to play in/with.
Anyone else have a hum in their left ear/speaker? I do, it's pretty quiet, you don't really hear it when game music is playing. And it's only when the casters talk. I don't hear it when I mute the stream or play music/a different stream.
On March 31 2013 06:12 Doctorbeat wrote: Anyone else have a hum in their left ear/speaker? I do, it's pretty quiet, you don't really hear it when game music is playing. And it's only when the casters talk. I don't hear it when I mute the stream or play music/a different stream.
On March 31 2013 06:12 Doctorbeat wrote: Anyone else have a hum in their left ear/speaker? I do, it's pretty quiet, you don't really hear it when game music is playing. And it's only when the casters talk. I don't hear it when I mute the stream or play music/a different stream.
It's grating on me a bit.
Could be from you, I don't hear it.
I'm not hearing it now. I heard it when they were talking without the music in the background. I am not hearing it atm.
On March 31 2013 06:12 Doctorbeat wrote: Anyone else have a hum in their left ear/speaker? I do, it's pretty quiet, you don't really hear it when game music is playing. And it's only when the casters talk. I don't hear it when I mute the stream or play music/a different stream.
It's grating on me a bit.
Yes me too. So annoying. Its been there for weeks though.
So... what happened level 1? I went in at the 6th minute and all I saw were the obvious signs of Dignitas getting utterly fucked through level 1 fight.
Meh, plus I feel Dig got outpicked too, Volibear gonna be stronger than Nasus and Kayle is nowhere near as much of a threat as Karthus since the nerfs.
On March 31 2013 06:29 Caphe wrote: That was a damn fast dragon from a lv7 Nasus O_O
fury of the sands "While the storm rages, nearby enemies take magic damage equal to a percentage of their maximum health (max of 240 magic damage per second per enemy). Nasus converts 6.375% of the damage done by the sandstorm into bonus attack damage for himself."
On March 31 2013 06:28 Alaric wrote: So... what happened level 1? I went in at the 6th minute and all I saw were the obvious signs of Dignitas getting utterly fucked through level 1 fight.
Dig invaded Curse's red but got outplayed hard, Gragas got a 3 people body slam and Curse pick up 3 kills in exchange for 1.
Whoever said Dig can't throw now was wrong. They did so much work to get back into the game and just threw it all away right there. Dig doesn't need to be ahead to throw!
On March 31 2013 06:36 Caphe wrote: This game is much better than TSM vs CLG.
You're a Curse fan, right? T_T
Nah, I am not a fan of any NA teams but I like some individuals from NA teams, like Dyrus, Saint, Scarra. From the entertaining point this is better. CLG crazy switch in the first may made the game looks complex but really even considering the level of play the CLG vs TSM wasn't exactly up there either.
Yeah I'm just depressed because that was the match I was most hyped for, and as I sit I just go "Oh, Dig got screwed level 1 and they have to play against a Karthus, they lost."
On March 31 2013 06:46 Alaric wrote: Yeah I'm just depressed because that was the match I was most hyped for, and as I sit I just go "Oh, Dig got screwed level 1 and they have to play against a Karthus, they lost."
I'm really surprised they lost level 1; that's usually their forte imo.
On March 31 2013 06:46 Alaric wrote: Yeah I'm just depressed because that was the match I was most hyped for, and as I sit I just go "Oh, Dig got screwed level 1 and they have to play against a Karthus, they lost."
Dig tried to force that level one so hard. Don't really know why they wanted to risk it that much even after their early plans got seen through. They were just praying Curse didn't know since Kiwi went top anyway. You don't win LoL games by praying.
Praciticing them #heimermechanics paying off well for qtpie. And they tried to go for that timing with 4 fort pots on drag fight, but unsucessful. Now Curse just styling on them, voyboy with that tp.
This game is so over. Also, I've seen ALOT of Hec/Sona/ maybe MF combo in the Chinese, I wonder when NA studies and put it into good use since the combo is so OP atm.
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
Well, you can sneak in a 2 hour power nap until those matches lol
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
that was the games that just played...
wat?!?
o wait no same guys, wrong order. sorry about the shock lol
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
if you live in vietnam your sleepschedule has to be so fucked if you stay up for lcs every week lol may it be na or eu
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
Well, you can sneak in a 2 hour power nap until those matches lol
On March 31 2013 06:55 Caphe wrote: Today is one of the best day of LCS. We still got TSM v Dig and CLG vs Curse coming up. I really need to get some sleep though lol.
if you live in vietnam your sleepschedule has to be so fucked if you stay up for lcs every week lol may it be na or eu
I live in China, but yeah its almost the same anyway. I only watch Saturday's LCS though so I still have Sunday to avoid death from lack of sleep
On March 31 2013 07:22 lilwisper wrote: I'm glad they did that shout casting look. They have really been improving their quality as the weeks have gone on.
Now if only their main stage changed colors depending on city state every week. Currently it is DEMACIA which looks pretty damn snazzy
I don't know if people have noticed this or it's just me, but that Thresh's in game soul sucking sound is always very loud in comparison to other champions. I don't get why it's always really loud.
On March 31 2013 08:16 schmutttt wrote: Well pretty sure CLG won't make worlds now.
Drastic changes need to be made.
People will give shit to Regi for being management + on the team, but at least he never dragged his team down a shithole due to consistently poor play.
Zion Spartan gotta learn to play less aggressive; he reminds me of voyboy when voy was on dig.
On March 31 2013 08:16 schmutttt wrote: Well pretty sure CLG won't make worlds now.
Drastic changes need to be made.
People will give shit to Regi for being management + on the team, but at least he never dragged his team down a shithole due to consistently poor play.
That's arguable. Regi was in poor shape for quite a while and only recently got his form back.
On March 31 2013 08:16 schmutttt wrote: Well pretty sure CLG won't make worlds now.
Drastic changes need to be made.
People will give shit to Regi for being management + on the team, but at least he never dragged his team down a shithole due to consistently poor play.
That's arguable. Regi was in poor shape for quite a while and only recently got his form back.
Regi in poorshape still could win lanes against his NA counterparts. HSGG hasn't won a lane since the end of season 1.
Vulcan sincerely needs to win this as they got pretty robbed the game before. From being consistently winning the previous game, to be losing almost whole game for the 2nd one. Pretty depressing.
LOL Jatt commentary with the whole Zion just "backdoored that back thing" I know he just misspoke, but that's pretty hilarious because he generally doesn't make that type of mistake.
Honestly the restart seemed to have placed GGU back into a spot they were having in the first game, and arguably gave Vulcan better shots at changing it.
On March 31 2013 08:45 lilwisper wrote: Honestly the restart seemed to have placed GGU back into a spot they were having in the first game, and arguably gave Vulcan better shots at changing it.
GGU got the better end of the deal no matter how you look at it. GGU were on the upswing, and seemed to figure out what to do against Vulcan. It's a full reset for them. While on the other hand, vulcan were on the backfoot, and lost their early game lead which they accrued steadily in the first game. Technical difficulties sadness.
On March 31 2013 08:45 lilwisper wrote: Honestly the restart seemed to have placed GGU back into a spot they were having in the first game, and arguably gave Vulcan better shots at changing it.
GGU got the better end of the deal no matter how you look at it. GGU were on the upswing, and seemed to figure out what to do against Vulcan. It's a full reset for them. While on the other hand, vulcan were on the backfoot, and lost their early game lead which they accrued steadily in the first game. Technical difficulties sadness.
The game developed pretty similar, only that Vulcun was in a somewhat better spot in the 2nd game around the time the bug occured in the first one. Although imo it doesnt even matter. Regame is regame, no matter who profited from it.
Lulu had 4 items on thresh, twinshadows, shurelias, locket, mobis, and 3 levels 15 vs 12 at the end of game. muffinqt's oracle and ward spam build is too much of a gamble when you lose.
On March 31 2013 08:42 Sufficiency wrote: GG Vulcan. If you can't beat GGU IMO you don't deserve the 4th spot.
tbh, everyone expected GGU to be doing the best out of the bottom 4, when LCS started.
I don't even know why GGU is in LCS. They should have been disqualified when their original mid laner was discovered to be not eligible to work in USA. Maybe it was actually Riot's oversight, but it is extremely unfair to the other teams competing for spots for LCS that GGU fielded someone who can't even play the LCS.
On March 31 2013 08:43 wei2coolman wrote: Jintae = inhibitor tower + inhibitor + nexus turret. Zionspartan = 1 baron.
worth.
On March 31 2013 08:42 Sufficiency wrote: GG Vulcan. If you can't beat GGU IMO you don't deserve the 4th spot.
tbh, everyone expected GGU to be doing the best out of the bottom 4, when LCS started.
I don't even know why GGU is in LCS. They should have been disqualified when their original mid laner was discovered to be not eligible to work in USA. Maybe it was actually Riot's oversight, but it is extremely unfair to the other teams competing for spots for LCS that GGU fielded someone who can't even play the LCS.
Shiphtur has played in LCS before, as in he's flew to Santa Monica and played in the studio. For whatever reason, he's have some personal issues with his visa. Before his current situation arose, neither Riot nor GGU knew Shiphtur would have so much trouble getting into the States.
And besides, this is all moot. GGU is using a sub in all of the following weeks after Shiphtur became a no show. What's the reason to disqualify them? Worst comes to worst, they bench Shiphtur officially and sign Jintae. I think you're blowing things out of proportion by calling it "extremely unfair".
Anyone else think it's kind of funny that coL is the only team in NA LCS that has Kha'Zix banned against them? Since no one else in NA plays a good Kha'Zix.
On March 31 2013 09:31 overt wrote: Anyone else think it's kind of funny that coL is the only team in NA LCS that has Kha'Zix banned against them? Since no one else in NA plays a good Kha'Zix.
Kha'zix seems to minimise the harm chuuper can do to complexity so it's a good ban.
On March 31 2013 09:31 overt wrote: Anyone else think it's kind of funny that coL is the only team in NA LCS that has Kha'Zix banned against them? Since no one else in NA plays a good Kha'Zix.
Kha'zix seems to minimise the harm chuuper can do to complexity so it's a good ban.
It's like banning Malphite to HSGG. Not that he is crazy good with it, he will just suck less
On March 31 2013 09:38 onlywonderboy wrote: Yay Curse win! CLG lost? They were ahead when I left lol. Man, CLG is handing Vulcun 4th place and they can't get it if they lose to GGU zzz
Hotshot decided that TSM needed to win the game. Or Dyrus and Regi have sick mindgames. I can't tell
Nickwu has no fear of death. Charging into Anivia under turret past turret zonya's use to save his life and Anivia goes down along with the top inhib. Good for him.
On March 31 2013 09:55 jtbem wrote: mega needs to improve his champion pool fast, udyr is garbage
He played Udyr against coL last week and they won. It's not like he's playing Udyr because he can't play any other champ...the team obviously thought it was a good pick up.
Now I wish I could remember exactly what it said, but I saw some stream title on Solomid's sidebar yesterday that said something about giant boobs and being a slut. Turned it on obv and it was a chick talking about her boobs, so I thought it was legit lol. Only watched for that 30s or so, so I have no idea if she was just reacting to the title or something, but it was pretty funny anyway. She had like 3k viewers too, most of whom probably did exactly what I did.
Dyrus turned that gank around top and TSM's bot lane is bullying red pot Ezreal. Dig winning mid though with that red pot first blood on Scarra's Gragas.
I'm confused why Dyrus saved his ult top. There was a slight chance he would have been able to kill Kiwi or even escape if he used it. Was it actually down?
On March 31 2013 10:35 BlackMagister wrote: I'm confused why Dyrus saved his ult top. There was a slight chance he would have been able to kill Kiwi or even escape if he used it. Was it actually down?
Nah it was up, went and checked the Youtube instant VoD
On March 31 2013 10:40 BlackMagister wrote: The reason Nasus jungle doesn't get madred's isn't because spirit stone has more options it's because madred procs screw with your Q farm.
I tried Madred's once time, I can confirm you will get a proc 100% of the time you don't want to.
On March 31 2013 10:40 BlackMagister wrote: The reason Nasus jungle doesn't get madred's isn't because spirit stone has more options it's because madred procs screw with your Q farm.
I'm highly questioning this reasoning. Item build paths have always been more important. Not to mention that Nasus' Q resets animations.
Wow another game where TOO gets outsmited at Baron.
And spirit stone is better for Nasus not just because of madreds proc but madreds proc is still a big reason. Nasus jungle will just keep Q at lvl 1 so you need the creeps to be at really low health to last hit with Q which of course is hard with random crits.
On March 31 2013 10:53 Haasts wrote: Bad split from Dig loses them two members.
it's fine, they got baron + 1 kill, it was a nice trade.
Meant the previous 0-2 chase after Scarra had to Body Slam over to wraiths. The steal was fantastic, and they were unlucky not to get Sona as well as Volibear.
No, no, before that. Renekton gets caught, but Wither+Slice and Dice+Dark Passage helps them disengage, however a Harpoon from Dyrus catches Renek anyway, who dies, and... Dig reengages and loses Nasus. The next fight was the one where the Nashor died.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
Dyrus was bullying KiWi hard in lane ultil he got ganked. Also having a game changing ult is enough reason to pick a champ sometimes. Especially one with a fairly easy laning phase.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
What on earth is Regi doing this game? How could he have thought even half of his moves were good, especially the latest one... That made absolutely no sense.
On March 31 2013 10:59 zer0das wrote: That baron steal looked so awesome given where the camera's focus was... suddenly a wild Nasus appears, then smites and hauls off with lantern haha.
One shot was probably in the air because he died on arrival, though. But it would have been so badass if he lived through it (I remember TOO doing a Noc ult in, flash out baron steal once).
On March 31 2013 11:02 Shikyo wrote: What on earth is Regi doing this game? How could he have thought even half of his moves were good, especially the latest one... That made absolutely no sense.
I can understand when he tries a little too hard to make plays when split-pushing or in the laning phase, but once you hit this stage of the game you can't afford to try to do shit like that.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
That was a pretty bad play but it was far from a throw, dig was slowly catching up. If you wanna see a throw see Wolves v SK from the EU LCS this morning. That was rough.
I think both teams played well tbh. The main issue is that Voli was way too low leveled and couldnt' be a threat so it ended up being four threats versus three. Also there was a definitely level disparity because varus got all the xp and gold early. TSM thought they had an advantage when they actually didn't despite the gold lead IMO due to the two level+ gap between OddOne and DIG.
Voli had to give up jungle farm for Regi to keep up with mid which was fine as Voli roamed to shove turrets. However, once it passed early mid, OddOne needed to be more assertive about taking some lane farm to catch up. Once Scarra + Kiwi got 17 versus Voli's (12!!!) was too much. Especially since if Voli hit earlier Runic, that game would've been much better.
Wildturtle either wasn't there for when TSM initiated or he had to spend most of the fight running away. Their engages just seemed mismanaged. They played so well up until that point as well, it's too bad.
TSM missed their power point. Dig got past the point where TSM couldn't get a fight started the way they wanted. They needed to kill scarra but couldn't. Two fights started without the entire team there, one without wildturtle, one without xpecial. Regi with some very poor decision making.
Wasn't really a fan of TSM's comp. Diana thrives on 2ndary initiation, not primary initiation. Also, if you're gunna do that kind of assassin dive play by diana, it's far better to do lichbane for burst, instead of going for nashors.
On March 31 2013 11:09 wei2coolman wrote: Wasn't really a fan of TSM's comp. Diana thrives on 2ndary initiation, not primary initiation. Also, if you're gunna do that kind of assassin dive play by diana, it's far better to do lichbane for burst, instead of going for nashors.
Scarra even said in an interview Nashor's is good on Diana if you're going to be going a lot of split pushing, otherwise you are better served with different items.
On March 31 2013 11:09 wei2coolman wrote: Wasn't really a fan of TSM's comp. Diana thrives on 2ndary initiation, not primary initiation. Also, if you're gunna do that kind of assassin dive play by diana, it's far better to do lichbane for burst, instead of going for nashors.
Wait, I'm not the only person on the planet that knows you can build that item on Diana? Lich Bane is so damn good on her.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
On March 31 2013 11:09 wei2coolman wrote: Wasn't really a fan of TSM's comp. Diana thrives on 2ndary initiation, not primary initiation. Also, if you're gunna do that kind of assassin dive play by diana, it's far better to do lichbane for burst, instead of going for nashors.
Wait, I'm not the only person on the planet that knows you can build that item on Diana? Lich Bane is so damn good on her.
lichbane is better choice if you gunna play like regi. it's common sense.
On March 31 2013 11:09 wei2coolman wrote: Wasn't really a fan of TSM's comp. Diana thrives on 2ndary initiation, not primary initiation. Also, if you're gunna do that kind of assassin dive play by diana, it's far better to do lichbane for burst, instead of going for nashors.
TSM isnt really good or known for thinking on their feet, they mostly copy other ppl's shit, and imo it will only become worse since Chaox seemed like the best theorycrafter in the team.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
Total Enhanced Magic Damage: 112.5 / 200 / 287.5 / 375 / 462.5 (+ 168.75% AP) Because it takes 3s instead of being instant doesn't mean it's "ignorable", I'd say. But Rumble doesn't have the poke of Lux either, true. He's better by kit in the roaming phase, as his W makes it super easy to get close and land a harpoon, and thus the second one, going up to a 90% (!) slow, making it really easy to then smash people.
Another problem was that they had a bunch of magic damage (Voli's ult, Varus' Blight, Sona on top of an already double AP comp) and Regi always died first, and alone, so his Abyssal's passive was basically lost on the rest of the team.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
But I've felt this way since I saw an old CLG EU game back in S2 and he couldn't hold off a splitpush Rengar ( I think) even at like the 25 min mark, even though they were even.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
But I've felt this way since I saw an old CLG EU game back in S2 and he couldn't hold off a splitpush Rengar ( I think) even at like the 25 min mark, even though they were even.
Well Wickd was always really bad on Rumble so that's not the best sample. Agreed he falls of late, but there's nothing wrong with picking a mid game focused team as long as you can push your advantage and end the game.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
On March 31 2013 11:16 daSilvaz wrote: Holy shit...can they fucking stop licking turtle's balls already....
Why so angsty? he's a talented ADC,
I didnt say he was bad and dont think it either, just doesnt deserve the massive atention hes getting, rivington said his name in this interview like 20 times now, what the fuck...
Llandry's torment + Rylais is an incredible combo for Rumble that is most of his damage, of course if Dyrus goes for a silly build that doesn't have the combo it is going to feel weak <.<
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
But I've felt this way since I saw an old CLG EU game back in S2 and he couldn't hold off a splitpush Rengar ( I think) even at like the 25 min mark, even though they were even.
Well... that was Wickd's Rumble, which isn't stellar, and wasn't it Caomei on Rengar? Was while Rengar was stupid OP at least. Not a chance for Rumble to win (Rengar was a ball of CDR+resists so he could easily grab SV+GA and have a big bunch of MR anyway), and I mostly remember him being really ignored by Rengar past the 35 minutes mark, when Rengar was basically backdooring, though.
On March 31 2013 11:18 DODswe4 wrote: I hope CLG loses, gogo Curse crush them
I need them to win so Dig keeps a chance to get first place, but the day CLG'll be reliable...
On March 31 2013 11:18 wei2coolman wrote: HSGG so funny "individually aren't that strong"
LOL
HOTSHOT, SAYING THAT. LOL.
I get that these promos are kind of designed to create a little trash talk, but CLG just looks silly when they say stuff like that at this point. If you aren't winning at all then trashtalking is generally a bad idea.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
TBH, dyrus always QQ about his champion pool after losing. remember dyrus after the whole darius vs jayce matchup? lulz.
On March 31 2013 11:16 daSilvaz wrote: Holy shit...can they fucking stop licking turtle's balls already....
Why so angsty? he's a talented ADC,
I didnt say he was bad and dont think it either, just doesnt deserve the massive atention hes getting, rivington said his name in this interview like 20 times now, what the fuck...
It's an underdog story, yo. Everyone loves rookies rising to being pro.
Everytime HSGG talks trash, I just laugh my ass off.
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
He does deceptively large amount of damage. Especially his ult. There is a reason his ult was changed to remove that instant damage.
On March 31 2013 10:51 nxk wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:50 cLutZ wrote: I dont understand rumble. Pros love him everywhere. What am i Missing?
Ult, strong laning, a lot of mid game power
This is what I always have THOUGHT, but then I watch games and I don't observe it. Except sometimes the ult is just OP.
He's strong 1v1 and 1v2. You'll never dive him post-6 unless overkill because of his ult. Pushes well. Super strong midgame. Retarded damage scaling and bases so he's fine coming out of a 1v2 with only Guise compared to a ton of offlaners. Mobile through his spammable MS boost (really, look at the CD and duration (and fucking base, again) of this thing) and great threat zone thanks to his ult's range on top of said mobility.
This TSM v. Dig feels like the standard Rumble game for me: Its like the opposite of having a Kog Maw, post 30 mins = instalose.
Double AP vs Bulwark rush, Renekton+Nasus both building full tank, and Reginald dying too fast to do damage. Rumble falls off late (he better do, seeing how beastly he is from level 2) but that's not unique to him.
Its not even late for me. Flamespitter becomes ignorable really early.
But I've felt this way since I saw an old CLG EU game back in S2 and he couldn't hold off a splitpush Rengar ( I think) even at like the 25 min mark, even though they were even.
Well... that was Wickd's Rumble, which isn't stellar, and wasn't it Caomei on Rengar? Was while Rengar was stupid OP at least. Not a chance for Rumble to win (Rengar was a ball of CDR+resists so he could easily grab SV+GA and have a big bunch of MR anyway), and I mostly remember him being really ignored by Rengar past the 35 minutes mark, when Rengar was basically backdooring, though.
I thought the term "throwing" means you were ahead and somehow throw away the game? TSM was never ahead despite a 2-3K gold lead. Esp after the Baron steal, Dig was at least equal if not ahead of TSM, Reginald is always like this, dive in with no idea of how TSM will continue the team fight at all. It works versus lesser teams, but versus Dig/Curse TSM will most likely lose when Reginald goes on some personal quest like this.
Also, the farm advantage on WT didn't mean much if you can't stand and fight. DoubleLift was like more than 100cs ahead of WT but CLG still lost terribly. Qtpie's cs may looks worse than WT but he got everything he needs for the team fight: a fully farm BT, a tri-force and a last whisper and he did lay down the pain on TSM.
Does CLG really think they can get away with some retarded cheese jarvan ult + aoe? The days of malph or nocturne with a ball on his head is long past.
On March 31 2013 11:25 Caphe wrote: I thought the term "throwing" means you were ahead and somehow throw away the game? TSM was never ahead despite a 2-3K gold lead. Esp after the Baron steal, Dig was at least equal if not ahead of TSM, Reginald is always like this, dive in with no idea of how TSM will continue the team fight at all. It works versus lesser teams, but versus Dig/Curse TSM will most likely lose when Reginald goes on some personal quest like this.
Also, the farm advantage on WT didn't mean much if you can't stand and fight. DoubleLift was like more than 100cs ahead of WT but CLG still lost terribly. Qtpie's cs may looks worse than WT but he got everything he needs for the team fight: a fully farm BT, a tri-force and a last whisper and he did lay down the pain on TSM.
TSM had multiple turrets and 4000g over dig. They were ahead by any measure that matters.
On March 31 2013 11:25 Caphe wrote: I thought the term "throwing" means you were ahead and somehow throw away the game? TSM was never ahead despite a 2-3K gold lead. Esp after the Baron steal, Dig was at least equal if not ahead of TSM, Reginald is always like this, dive in with no idea of how TSM will continue the team fight at all. It works versus lesser teams, but versus Dig/Curse TSM will most likely lose when Reginald goes on some personal quest like this.
Also, the farm advantage on WT didn't mean much if you can't stand and fight. DoubleLift was like more than 100cs ahead of WT but CLG still lost terribly. Qtpie's cs may looks worse than WT but he got everything he needs for the team fight: a fully farm BT, a tri-force and a last whisper and he did lay down the pain on TSM.
But u have to admit that Regi is so bad. The last two fight was lost by him
On March 31 2013 11:25 Caphe wrote: I thought the term "throwing" means you were ahead and somehow throw away the game? TSM was never ahead despite a 2-3K gold lead. Esp after the Baron steal, Dig was at least equal if not ahead of TSM, Reginald is always like this, dive in with no idea of how TSM will continue the team fight at all. It works versus lesser teams, but versus Dig/Curse TSM will most likely lose when Reginald goes on some personal quest like this.
Also, the farm advantage on WT didn't mean much if you can't stand and fight. DoubleLift was like more than 100cs ahead of WT but CLG still lost terribly. Qtpie's cs may looks worse than WT but he got everything he needs for the team fight: a fully farm BT, a tri-force and a last whisper and he did lay down the pain on TSM.
But u have to admit that Regi is so bad. The last two fight was lost by him
Yep, agreed. The main point was Reginald derping. He derped vs CLG too but CLG was just to weak to capitalize his mistake.
Let's see how Curse crush CLG. If CLG manage to beat Curse it would be an UPSET.
Even when they were winning massively last week vs CLG Regi somehow died against a turret on his own even though he was healthy when the camera was on him and fought no one.
On March 31 2013 11:24 Fusilero wrote: Why urgot? Are they mindgaming clg hard seeing as doublelift has said he hates urgot I don't think they'd try to force it onto him.
Doublelift has played him a couple time in the LCS already, to decent success I believe.
On March 31 2013 11:49 Jaksiel wrote: This Baron call is craaaazzzyyy. So crazy that Curse don't expect it at all. They respawned in time to contest it but had no idea.
Yeah, just went straight to Drag. Wonder if they would have checked it if Drag wasn't up.
On March 31 2013 11:54 LaM wrote: This is the thing with CLG isn't it? They might easily finish the regular season bottom out of the Big 4, but their "A" game is still terrifying.
EDIT: And that should be game. HSGG zoning 3 squishies out as the Dig divers get killed.
I think crs got massively out picked. I think they should have picked something other than ori. Also Vi is still OP, no idea why a tiny nerf and no one is playing her anymore.
edit: I think kayle would be counter dunking this.
On March 31 2013 11:59 Fusilero wrote: I don't like CLG but I respect good players when I see them and CLG definitely played one of their best I've seen them all season especially hotshot.
Yeah. From the first game vs TSM, you can see that CLG actually has a game plan now unlike previous week. Actually this game CLG didn't let Hotshot vs Voyboy going on for a long time, they opted for ultilise Hotshot for pushing turrets all over the map and that worked well for them.
On March 31 2013 11:54 LaM wrote: This is the thing with CLG isn't it? They might easily finish the regular season bottom out of the Big 4, but their "A" game is still terrifying.
EDIT: And that should be game. HSGG zoning 3 squishies out as the Dig divers get killed.
I think crs got massively out picked. I think they should have picked something other than ori. Also Vi is still OP, no idea why a tiny nerf and no one is playing her anymore.
Stonewall said "Stop banning her. So many lazy Vis think they’re they get a free win, when they just ult and die now. She just isn’t that strong anymore.", pretty much summarise what people think. "Oh no, nerfs and people started to understand how to play against her—means she can't be strong, she has to be super weak now!". Nope.
But I'm fine with it, I can play her now ('cept I don't play much these days).
I feel like banning vayne, xerath, and urgot wasn't exactly the best use of bans. I understand why they did it from what the commentators were saying, but I still don't feel like it really helped Crs at all.
On March 31 2013 12:03 Alaric wrote: Hm... maybe that can make up for Dig losing to Curse. Still, if Dig had somehow managed to beat Curse they'd be comfortably ahead after this match.
On March 31 2013 11:54 LaM wrote: This is the thing with CLG isn't it? They might easily finish the regular season bottom out of the Big 4, but their "A" game is still terrifying.
EDIT: And that should be game. HSGG zoning 3 squishies out as the Dig divers get killed.
I think crs got massively out picked. I think they should have picked something other than ori. Also Vi is still OP, no idea why a tiny nerf and no one is playing her anymore.
Stonewall said "Stop banning her. So many lazy Vis think they’re they get a free win, when they just ult and die now. She just isn’t that strong anymore.", pretty much summarise what people think. "Oh no, nerfs and people started to understand how to play against her—means she can't be strong, she has to be super weak now!". Nope.
But I'm fine with it, I can play her now ('cept I don't play much these days).
Look, I'm not a good player, but people still pay attention to what Stonewall says? He's never proven himself to have reasonable assumptions or ideas.
On March 31 2013 12:03 Alaric wrote: Hm... maybe that can make up for Dig losing to Curse. Still, if Dig had somehow managed to beat Curse they'd be comfortably ahead after this match.
On March 31 2013 11:59 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On March 31 2013 11:54 LaM wrote: This is the thing with CLG isn't it? They might easily finish the regular season bottom out of the Big 4, but their "A" game is still terrifying.
EDIT: And that should be game. HSGG zoning 3 squishies out as the Dig divers get killed.
I think crs got massively out picked. I think they should have picked something other than ori. Also Vi is still OP, no idea why a tiny nerf and no one is playing her anymore.
Stonewall said "Stop banning her. So many lazy Vis think they’re they get a free win, when they just ult and die now. She just isn’t that strong anymore.", pretty much summarise what people think. "Oh no, nerfs and people started to understand how to play against her—means she can't be strong, she has to be super weak now!". Nope.
But I'm fine with it, I can play her now ('cept I don't play much these days).
Look, I'm not a good player, but people still pay attention to what Stonewall says? He's never proven himself to have reasonable assumptions or ideas.
That's what I'd think too, but then I queue up for ranked (Silver) and get reminded by "strategic" talks about how people get their "facts" about champs. It's often ugly. =<
(I didn't mean to say that's the only reason obviously, that was in an article maybe 3 days ago that I only read because while scrolling the news page I saw "Wukong" somewhere in there. But that kind of opinion is pretty representative I feel.)
On March 31 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote: CLG lost to Curse twice as well.
Sure, but I was mainly finding it interesting that CLG is under .500 but have beaten the number 1 team twice.
(Also, I only remembered one CLG loss to Curse. I guess this was the last time they play in the regular season, then.)
One of those losses was when Curse tried to cheese them with AP Trynd (with a poor team build around it). I mean a loss is a loss but Curse is still a better team despite them going even for the season.
On March 31 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote: CLG lost to Curse twice as well.
Sure, but I was mainly finding it interesting that CLG is under .500 but have beaten the number 1 team twice.
(Also, I only remembered one CLG loss to Curse. I guess this was the last time they play in the regular season, then.)
One of those losses was when Curse tried to cheese them with AP Trynd (with a poor team build around it). I mean a loss is a loss but Curse is still a better team despite them going even for the season.
Definitely not trying to imply that this win and the one earlier in the season makes CLG better than Curse. Hell, I'm a long-time CLG fan who is pretty disillusioned with them right now.
Damn, I just looked at the remaining weeks, and Dig's matches are gonna be much harder than Curse (CLG, TSM, GGU mostly, while Curse has compLexity, GGU and Marn in most of them). Looking bad. Is only Dig beat Curse, that'd be 16-4 to 12-4, now instead it's 15-5 to 13-3, that difference is so huge. I don't see Curse dropping 2 of their remaining matches so it'll be pivotal for Dig to beat them in their remaining encounter.
just saw TSM vs Dig. Reginald sucks, lost them the game single handedly (the oddone not being able to smite baron and varus missing his ulties didnz help though). I dont know what this guy is thinking, he initiates every team fight in a terrible way, unbelievable. First team fight he goes in while sona is coming back from clearing wards at baron and varus is oop, second team fights he goes in while varus is way back. Casts his spells, uses zhonyas and after 3 sec he is dead without contributing anything to the fight other than 500 dmg or so.. Jesus christ. If volibear doesnt initiate cause he is not tanky enough then maybe you should wait and make sure that your superfarmed ADC is right behind you -.-
On March 31 2013 15:54 Djin)ftw( wrote: just saw TSM vs Dig. Reginald sucks, lost them the game single handedly (the oddone not being able to smite baron and varus missing his ulties didnz help though). I dont know what this guy is thinking, he initiates every team fight in a terrible way, unbelievable. First team fight he goes in while sona is coming back from clearing wards at baron and varus is oop, second team fights he goes in while varus is way back. Casts his spells, uses zhonyas and after 3 sec he is dead without contributing anything to the fight other than 500 dmg or so.. Jesus christ. If volibear doesnt initiate cause he is not tanky enough then maybe you should wait and make sure that your superfarmed ADC is right behind you -.-
Regi had the only instant initiate that didn't involve flashing and/or hitting a skillshot. Even if his timing was better, it would have been the same result.
wow i just watched TSM vs DIG, holy shit regi pisses me off sometimes. Hes actually been doing pretty good lately so im surprised he sucked so much this game. HORRIBLE engages, yes i know he was the only hard engage they had, that doesnt mean he should go in and engage! To me, the turning point was the dig baron steal, TSM had that fucking game in the bag and that baron steal turned it all around. Super aggressive regi gave away too many kills for no reason, he failed too hard this game ugh such fucking throws. Wildturtle was so farmed he was putting out insane amounts of damage but horrible positioning and those desperation engages maxe absolutely no use of him. He couldve carried those fights really hard
On March 31 2013 17:15 HeavenS wrote: wow i just watched TSM vs DIG, holy shit regi pisses me off sometimes. Hes actually been doing pretty good lately so im surprised he sucked so much this game. HORRIBLE engages, yes i know he was the only hard engage they had, that doesnt mean he should go in and engage! To me, the turning point was the dig baron steal, TSM had that fucking game in the bag and that baron steal turned it all around. Super aggressive regi gave away too many kills for no reason, he failed too hard this game ugh such fucking throws. Wildturtle was so farmed he was putting out insane amounts of damage but horrible positioning and those desperation engages maxe absolutely no use of him. He couldve carried those fights really hard
The more I think about it, the less of regi's fault i find it. Were engages terrible? yes, there's no doubt. Did TSM have to engage? yes. why? you ask. TSM had advantage, the only way to press advantage is to fight. Dig is a team that knows how to crawl back from disadvantage, if you were watching flow of game, Dig was essentially stalling the game as long as possible. If TSM didn't try to force an engage, Dig, no doubt in my mind would've caught up in gold within 5-10min, and essentially TSM would've lost all that hard earned advantage.
When you have a team comp like TSM's your fighting strength is much stronger in a "counter-initiate" scenario. Essentially TSM's ideal fight is when Dig is diving onto them, this is especially true as to how Diana works (huge aoe interrupt, works best when team is diving on you, rather you diving on them). However, TSM never going to get ideal fight with dig initiating, cuz dig was behind, so they're not gunna try and initiate a fight where they're at a disadvantage.
So yes; regi initiate were not ideal; but the bigger issue was TSM was forced to initiate like so; which is a bigger key problem than the execution of it.
On March 31 2013 17:15 HeavenS wrote: wow i just watched TSM vs DIG, holy shit regi pisses me off sometimes. Hes actually been doing pretty good lately so im surprised he sucked so much this game. HORRIBLE engages, yes i know he was the only hard engage they had, that doesnt mean he should go in and engage! To me, the turning point was the dig baron steal, TSM had that fucking game in the bag and that baron steal turned it all around. Super aggressive regi gave away too many kills for no reason, he failed too hard this game ugh such fucking throws. Wildturtle was so farmed he was putting out insane amounts of damage but horrible positioning and those desperation engages maxe absolutely no use of him. He couldve carried those fights really hard
The more I think about it, the less of regi's fault i find it. Were engages terrible? yes, there's no doubt. Did TSM have to engage? yes. why? you ask. TSM had advantage, the only way to press advantage is to fight. Dig is a team that knows how to crawl back from disadvantage, if you were watching flow of game, Dig was essentially stalling the game as long as possible. If TSM didn't try to force an engage, Dig, no doubt in my mind would've caught up in gold within 5-10min, and essentially TSM would've lost all that hard earned advantage.
When you have a team comp like TSM's your fighting strength is much stronger in a "counter-initiate" scenario. Essentially TSM's ideal fight is when Dig is diving onto them, this is especially true as to how Diana works (huge aoe interrupt, works best when team is diving on you, rather you diving on them). However, TSM never going to get ideal fight with dig initiating, cuz dig was behind, so they're not gunna try and initiate a fight where they're at a disadvantage.
So yes; regi initiate were not ideal; but the bigger issue was TSM was forced to initiate like so; which is a bigger key problem than the execution of it.
wat wat wat... sometimes I have no idea what you're talking about, wei2cool. -_-
The engages were terribad and guess who it falls on? Regi. When Regi Lunar Rushes in (@ 6:57:36 on VOD), friggin' WildTurtle isn't even on the screen. By the time Turtle makes it to the screen to Chain and auto, Regi is dead, OddOne is trying to kill KiWiKiD (not to mention way too low to peel for Turtle by then), and Dyrus is on the verge of dying. Gold was only 1K in favor of TSM, not sure where you're getting the idea that TSM had to engage. Turtle was 100 CS ahead of qtpie at 36 minutes. He had core of IE, PD, LW done. TSM should not have fought any fight without Turtle there.
And this was only the first Regi dive. There's at least one more when he jumps the gun and TSM gets wiped.
On March 31 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote: CLG lost to Curse twice as well.
Sure, but I was mainly finding it interesting that CLG is under .500 but have beaten the number 1 team twice.
(Also, I only remembered one CLG loss to Curse. I guess this was the last time they play in the regular season, then.)
It's actually worse in EU LCS, Giants beat GG twice and the diference is much bigger.
Gambit does...try stuff...though in the LCS. Ashe is not a good pick right now...like ever.
Really? Gambit didnt try much and just played standard vs Giants with very comfortable picks for them, maybe except for Janna. It was rather the other way around, Giants won because Gambit played so standard and it was easy to counter them.
The engage initiate was bad; yes. There's no doubt, the fight could have started better off for TSM's initiate. But the bigger issue is that TSM had to create a fight, more-so than the actual botching of the fight.
On March 31 2013 19:21 wei2coolman wrote: The engage initiate was bad; yes. There's no doubt, the fight could have started better off for TSM's initiate. But the bigger issue is that TSM had to create a fight, more-so than the actual botching of the fight.
Why exactly do you have this impression that TSM had to make a fight?
So, I watched both of the CLG games and wonder if anyone can confirm that Doublelift ran life steal quints and if so, what red ones he ran to complement them (AD for last hitting / ArPen for killing in lane)?
Genereally speaking, I'm pretty satisfied by CLG's performance. The game against TSM they had it under control imo, until they derped hard, TSM got the baron and snowballed from there. In the curse game, I loved how Chauster tactically sacrificed himself to keep Twitch safe by blocking the Curse back line's path via Cataclysm. He also felt somewhat behind and still made the best out of it. Also, this was the first game I really noticed Aprhomoo landing some clutch ults on Doublelift as Lulu.
Regi just have one of the worst decision making I've seen out of all pro mids. Even in TSM vs CLG, at one point he is pushing top and engage on nasus under tower, while most of the CLG team is at their base. He doesn't how or when to engage it's really ridiculous. If they wanted to engage with Diana they should have learn from aAa and pick Kayle and shen for shield and invulnerability. Engaging then using zhonya is like saying ok I engage now fight 4vs5.
On March 31 2013 17:15 HeavenS wrote: wow i just watched TSM vs DIG, holy shit regi pisses me off sometimes. Hes actually been doing pretty good lately so im surprised he sucked so much this game. HORRIBLE engages, yes i know he was the only hard engage they had, that doesnt mean he should go in and engage! To me, the turning point was the dig baron steal, TSM had that fucking game in the bag and that baron steal turned it all around. Super aggressive regi gave away too many kills for no reason, he failed too hard this game ugh such fucking throws. Wildturtle was so farmed he was putting out insane amounts of damage but horrible positioning and those desperation engages maxe absolutely no use of him. He couldve carried those fights really hard
The more I think about it, the less of regi's fault i find it. Were engages terrible? yes, there's no doubt. Did TSM have to engage? yes. why? you ask. TSM had advantage, the only way to press advantage is to fight. Dig is a team that knows how to crawl back from disadvantage, if you were watching flow of game, Dig was essentially stalling the game as long as possible. If TSM didn't try to force an engage, Dig, no doubt in my mind would've caught up in gold within 5-10min, and essentially TSM would've lost all that hard earned advantage.
When you have a team comp like TSM's your fighting strength is much stronger in a "counter-initiate" scenario. Essentially TSM's ideal fight is when Dig is diving onto them, this is especially true as to how Diana works (huge aoe interrupt, works best when team is diving on you, rather you diving on them). However, TSM never going to get ideal fight with dig initiating, cuz dig was behind, so they're not gunna try and initiate a fight where they're at a disadvantage.
So yes; regi initiate were not ideal; but the bigger issue was TSM was forced to initiate like so; which is a bigger key problem than the execution of it.
I guess i understand you POV that TSM should've pressed their advantage but i disagree that initiating those fights was the best way to do it. Like i said before the Baron steal turned it around and gave dig pushing potential. However once Baron wore off TSM could've FORCED dig to engage on them over objectives, much like they did during the baron steal. Either you ENGAGE us, or you lose this objective. Also, Diana does not have to dive in all by herself.....watch the fights again man, she went in WAY too early and she didnt have to at all. Dyrus could've also engaged with his ult, or voli (yes i know he was squishy) but losing diana first hurt them alot more than losing volibear wouldve. I feel like they couldve easily won their teamfights if they all just focused on peeling for turtle, its not like renek was unkillable but apparently killing qtpie was more important for some reason. When your adc is more fed than their adc, protecting your adc usually yields better results than diving the opponents. Thats just my opinion though.
EDIT: I also remember at one point Regi engaged HARD on guess who? THRESH!! He engages THRESH in tsm jungle right above red, and forced his entire team to go in on that fight for nooooooooo reason. Why the fuck would u engage on thresh?? Yea, they went 4 for 1 that fight in dignitas favor. At that point, i knew tsm lost. That decision made me cringe. Some bronze level shit yo, no exaggeration.
On March 31 2013 18:56 NeoIllusions wrote: wat wat wat... sometimes I have no idea what you're talking about, wei2cool. -_-
The engages were terribad and guess who it falls on? Regi. When Regi Lunar Rushes in (@ 6:57:36 on VOD), friggin' WildTurtle isn't even on the screen. By the time Turtle makes it to the screen to Chain and auto, Regi is dead, OddOne is trying to kill KiWiKiD (not to mention way too low to peel for Turtle by then), and Dyrus is on the verge of dying. Gold was only 1K in favor of TSM, not sure where you're getting the idea that TSM had to engage. Turtle was 100 CS ahead of qtpie at 36 minutes. He had core of IE, PD, LW done. TSM should not have fought any fight without Turtle there.
And this was only the first Regi dive. There's at least one more when he jumps the gun and TSM gets wiped.
Holy terrible quality batman. 240p? all i saw was pixel on pixel action lol
On March 31 2013 19:21 wei2coolman wrote: The engage initiate was bad; yes. There's no doubt, the fight could have started better off for TSM's initiate. But the bigger issue is that TSM had to create a fight, more-so than the actual botching of the fight.
Why exactly do you have this impression that TSM had to make a fight?
I thought TSM was behind despite the gold lead. I'm not certain who's late game comp was stronger but I felt DIG had more pressure overall from Thresh's hooks. In addition, OddOne was way too behind and Regi, as shotcaller, never seemed to realize it.
In fact, I've found a general pattern that whenever TSM loses, it's because they never give time for Oddone to get some farm.
By the way even though I'm predicting CLG to lose, I still sort of want them to perform as well as they did in their last game(Although I'd prefer for HSGG to fail and Link and DLift to carry).
ehm i have no numbers to back it up but pretty sure voli and nasus have surpassed xin/j4 and vi when it comes to pickrate even in NA lcs games? Diamond you boss
On April 01 2013 05:42 AsnSensation wrote: ehm i have no numbers to back it up but pretty sure voli and nasus have surpassed xin/j4 and vi when it comes to pickrate even in NA lcs games? Diamond you boss
On April 01 2013 05:42 AsnSensation wrote: ehm i have no numbers to back it up but pretty sure voli and nasus have surpassed xin/j4 and vi when it comes to pickrate even in NA lcs games? Diamond you boss
The jungle meta set by diamond only changes when diamond grows tired of it.
Man, that Janna+Nasus Q + ADC with BT combo takes turrets so fast. And with Lux's and Janna's shields they're just "fuck minion waves" and face tanking turrets all day.
Not sure what vulcun were trying to get done with singed there, getting an outer is not worth losing your base. Its like that one guy in soloQ who always split from the team and never wants to group while your team is losing 4v5 over and over
On April 01 2013 05:51 onlywonderboy wrote: Is Chain of Corruption like the hardest skillshot in the game to land? I swear to God pros just whiff it left and right.
guilty myself, don't know why but I miss it frequently, as well.
Don't know if it's because the skillshot moves so fast or if the hitbox is small but somehow I always use it right when enemy turns and jukes it.
On April 01 2013 05:51 onlywonderboy wrote: Is Chain of Corruption like the hardest skillshot in the game to land? I swear to God pros just whiff it left and right.
guilty myself, don't know why but I miss it frequently, as well.
Don't know if it's because the skillshot moves so fast or if the hitbox is small but somehow I always use it right when enemy turns and jukes it.
90% of the time when I miss it's because they turn around right as I fire it. I've gotten to the point where I only use it if they're slowed, close, or disengaging.
When I see it, Chain of Corruption looks pretty fast and reactive (unlike Undertow, or even worse Dark Binding, who have significant wind-up frames), why is it so easy to miss according to you? Is the hitbox that narrow?
I think because of the wormy animation it makes it's actual hit box appear larger then it is, or something along the lines of how your brain processes the size based on the animation.
As much as I love hydra, dunno why he's getting it on Khaziks... his wave clear is already really good, doesn't need hyrda to help with wave clear.....
The problem with Mrn vs dig, is not only is dig better in terms of teamwork, Dig's lanes are arguably better than all of MRN's lane. scarra > ecco kiwikid >megazero qtpie+patoy > nien+hearbeatt
Hydra pick is debatable on Khazix, as a large part of his kit relies on his W poke. It is however very very good on split pushing which I feel Chuuper should do as he is definitely not as good at team fighting compared to many of the other mid laners at LCS. I feel however for primarily melee AD champions, any time you want a BT, a Hydra is a superior choice most of the time.
On April 01 2013 07:16 wei2coolman wrote: The problem with Mrn vs dig, is not only is dig better in terms of teamwork, Dig's lanes are arguably better than all of MRN's lane. scarra > ecco kiwikid >megazero qtpie+patoy > nien+hearbeatt
Dignitas can still throw a match harder than MRN so mrn may take solace in that.
On April 01 2013 07:16 wei2coolman wrote: The problem with Mrn vs dig, is not only is dig better in terms of teamwork, Dig's lanes are arguably better than all of MRN's lane. scarra > ecco kiwikid >megazero qtpie+patoy > nien+hearbeatt
I actually think Nien is better than Qtpie individually, if thats enough tho its another story.
On April 01 2013 07:16 wei2coolman wrote: The problem with Mrn vs dig, is not only is dig better in terms of teamwork, Dig's lanes are arguably better than all of MRN's lane. scarra > ecco kiwikid >megazero qtpie+patoy > nien+hearbeatt
I actually think Nien is better than Qtpie individually, if thats enough tho its another story.
Nien may be equal or better than qtpie but patoy to heartbeat with no disrespect to heartbeat isn't even close atm.
On April 01 2013 07:16 wei2coolman wrote: The problem with Mrn vs dig, is not only is dig better in terms of teamwork, Dig's lanes are arguably better than all of MRN's lane. scarra > ecco kiwikid >megazero qtpie+patoy > nien+hearbeatt
I actually think Nien is better than Qtpie individually, if thats enough tho its another story.
Nien pretty close to qtpie, but patoy gives qtpie the definite edge.
Or, you know, Trundle underfed against a superfarmed (EEEEE) Zed?
Without the dumb workings of knock-backs (Scarra pushed even though he flashed the Jayce E) Scarrra may have lived through that, he had his flash to go into the dragon pit.
Overall, I thought Marn had a pretty superior comp if they could 5 v 5 fight, but they let Scarra get way too big, and with Shen support, Scarra could literally beast anyone instantly and have a large measure of safety.
On April 01 2013 08:05 Kontossis wrote: Overall, I thought Marn had a pretty superior comp if they could 5 v 5 fight, but they let Scarra get way too big, and with Shen support, Scarra could literally beast anyone instantly and have a large measure of safety.
Marn had the more "cohesive" team comp, but I don't think their teamfighting was any good.
On April 01 2013 08:11 caelym wrote: Never let Dignitas get Elise. nuff said.
Yeah, an Elise ban works doubly so.
People should honestly watch the Crs vs Dig game for figuring out how to beat Dig. Besides the level 1 stomp, Crs strategically played superb vs them. It's not often you see Crumbz get completely outjungled.
On April 01 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote: I kinda hope the All-star team ends up being balanced and not just mostly members of TSM...
I hope its all TSM to show everyone what a bullshit this is.
I doubt it Scarra is still more popular than Regi. It will definitely be Scarra and Voyboy, if you check their numbers when they stream they beat out all their NA counter parts. Voyboy has consistently higher number with 30k+ while TOO and Dyrus who gets 20k viewers. TOO is going to be the jungler, not sure about who is bottom, but it might be turtle for the new factor.
On April 01 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote: I kinda hope the All-star team ends up being balanced and not just mostly members of TSM...
I hope its all TSM to show everyone what a bullshit this is.
I doubt it Scarra is still more popular than Regi. It will definitely be Scarra and Voyboy, if you check their numbers when they stream they beat out all their NA counter parts. Voyboy has consistently higher number with 30k+ while TOO and Dyrus who gets 20k viewers.
dyrus has 113k likes on facebook, 73k followers on twitter, just sayin'
On April 01 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote: I kinda hope the All-star team ends up being balanced and not just mostly members of TSM...
I hope its all TSM to show everyone what a bullshit this is.
I don't see WildTurtle and Reginald in the All star team seeing how hated Reginald is and how new WildTurtle is. TheOddOne and Dyrus are very likely to get the spot, Scarra has a very large following and is definitely a top 3 mid, so I see the spot going to him. Doublelift's hype is likely going to land him in the All-star team. As for support, that's as pretty big toss up, as Patoy has shown to be likely the best support in NA, but Xpecial may still get it.
On April 01 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote: I kinda hope the All-star team ends up being balanced and not just mostly members of TSM...
I hope its all TSM to show everyone what a bullshit this is.
I doubt it Scarra is still more popular than Regi. It will definitely be Scarra and Voyboy, if you check their numbers when they stream they beat out all their NA counter parts. Voyboy has consistently higher number with 30k+ while TOO and Dyrus who gets 20k viewers.
dyrus has 113k likes on facebook, 73k followers on twitter, just sayin'
voyboy 46k twitter, 50k facebook.
Voyboy became popular recently those facebook likes and twitter followers for Dyrus are not all active fans. I would say high stream views count more because it is the players current popularity. Oh I forgot about Doublelift for a second, he probably is the ADC.
On April 01 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote: I kinda hope the All-star team ends up being balanced and not just mostly members of TSM...
I hope its all TSM to show everyone what a bullshit this is.
I doubt it Scarra is still more popular than Regi. It will definitely be Scarra and Voyboy, if you check their numbers when they stream they beat out all their NA counter parts. Voyboy has consistently higher number with 30k+ while TOO and Dyrus who gets 20k viewers.
dyrus has 113k likes on facebook, 73k followers on twitter, just sayin'
voyboy 46k twitter, 50k facebook.
Voyboy became popular recently those facebook likes and twitter followers for Dyrus are not all active fans. I would say high stream views count more because it is the players current popularity. Oh I forgot about Doublelift for a second, he probably is the ADC.
You can't know that.
All dyrus need is write "vote for me" on facebook and voyboy is done.
On April 01 2013 08:28 onlywonderboy wrote: It's either gonna be Dyrus or Voy top. Out of all TSM I wouldn't mind if Dyrus got it. Saint or Crumbz deserve Jungle more then TOO though.
Crumbz plays Diamond's jungle better which is current meta, but I prefer St.V's champion pool and playstyle.
On April 01 2013 08:28 onlywonderboy wrote: It's either gonna be Dyrus or Voy top. Out of all TSM I wouldn't mind if Dyrus got it. Saint or Crumbz deserve Jungle more then TOO though.
Crumbz plays Diamond's jungle better which is current meta, but I prefer St.V's champion pool and playstyle.
Yeah I'd be okay with either. Personally I'm probably gonna vote Voy, Saint, Scarra, Patoy, Dlift.
On April 01 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote: I kinda hope the All-star team ends up being balanced and not just mostly members of TSM...
I hope its all TSM to show everyone what a bullshit this is.
I don't see WildTurtle and Reginald in the All star team seeing how hated Reginald is and how new WildTurtle is.
It's not about how hated you are, it's about how liked you are. You can't get negative votes for people that don't want you.
My votes would go: top - Voyboy (no-brainer) jungle - Crumbzz mid - Scarra/shotcaller support - patoy (I think Chauster would underperform after not playing support for so long even if he was paired with DL) bot - DL
I stopped myself from posting something in the general thread a few days ago, but I guess I'll say it now. Things to not do, fight zed at half health when his ult is up.
edit: Also who's fucking psychic, I said kayle would be great to counter dunk this exact CLG comp. Guess col agrees.
On April 01 2013 08:50 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I stopped myself from posting something in the general thread a few days ago, but I guess I'll say it now. Things to not do, fight zed at half health when his ult is up.
does lautemortis realize that you can flash ult initiate without having to hit a bandage? Koreans NEVER bandage to initiate and always flash ult, he couldve probably gotten his team 4-5 kills already and effectively ending the game but he keeps fucking and CLG is too weak to do anything about it.
On April 01 2013 08:53 nafta wrote: I wonder when will support players finally get it that sighstone>>>>>gold items.....
it's not necessarily the case. when the rest of the team is chipping in for green wards, the support needs to spend more money on pinks, which makes sightstone less valuable.
On April 01 2013 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: Link's lux can be so scary...
Anyways, why is farm so low in NA games? so embarassing, if this was korean team or chinese team, all laners would've had 300+ farm on them.
Mechanically they aren't as good and I assume they lose a lot of farm to random towers when KR teams are more coordinated in making sure farm isn't wasted.
On April 01 2013 09:22 KissBlade wrote: That was a terrible game. Complexity seems like a collection or random solo q's and I'm not even sure if M Eye A realized he was playing support.
On April 01 2013 09:18 Alaric wrote: Surprise surprise, when you totally waste Kayle's ults you get wrecked.
let's rephrase that: Surprise surprise, when you build almost no MR against a 600 AP Lux you get wrecked. That Liandry's Torment on the support made me rage IRL which frankly doesn't happen that often while watching.
On April 01 2013 09:21 nafta wrote: How far have clg fallen....They actually have to TRY to beat a team that has 3 players that definitely don't deserve to be in lcs.....
Thats what happens when you refuse to evolve like everyone else
It's sad, but it seems clear to me that the weakest members of Complexity is their mid and jungler. Laute usually has good dragon control, but his decision making in team fights is really weak. Chuuper really botched the last fight by going up front and wasting Kayle ult. If they had better players in those positions, Complexity would be a legitimate top four team.
On April 01 2013 09:23 Kontossis wrote: It's sad, but it seems clear to me that the weakest members of Complexity is their mid and jungler. Laute usually has good dragon control, but his decision making in team fights is really weak. Chuuper really botched the last fight by going up front and wasting Kayle ult. If they had better players in those positions, Complexity would be a legitimate top four team.
Chuuper/Laute/Meyea are very weak players. Chuuper is the most glaring (imo), but none of them are really LCS level guys.
On April 01 2013 09:23 Kontossis wrote: It's sad, but it seems clear to me that the weakest members of Complexity is their mid and jungler. Laute usually has good dragon control, but his decision making in team fights is really weak. Chuuper really botched the last fight by going up front and wasting Kayle ult. If they had better players in those positions, Complexity would be a legitimate top four team.
Chuuper/Laute/Meyea are very weak players. Chuuper is the most glaring (imo), but none of them are really LCS level guys.
I think Laute is more a result of s3 jungle meta.
The reason Chauster can't play carry jungler, because he has to baby hotshot's lane way too much, that means he doesn't have time to freely farm. The reason saint gets a shit ton of farm, because he has the time to do it, since voyboy is self sufficient.
On April 01 2013 09:24 nafta wrote: Funny thing is everyone sees how bad col played yet clg STILL was close to losing lol......
I don't really think they were close to losing? The game was close because coL got a million free dragons and had some advantages coming out of lane, but CLG still looked more dangerous throughout the entire game and never seemed to be in danger of losing.
This is the kind of logic that makes me fucking wanna slap them irl, So lets not change coz we are afraid of not working but instead lets keep going like this and go negative in LCS....god
On April 01 2013 09:31 daSilvaz wrote: This is the kind of logic that makes me fucking wanna slap them irl, So lets not change coz we are afraid of not working but instead lets keep going like this and go negative in LCS....god
Because they are improving so much man!Can't you tell?
On April 01 2013 09:18 Alaric wrote: Surprise surprise, when you totally waste Kayle's ults you get wrecked.
let's rephrase that: Surprise surprise, when you build almost no MR against a 600 AP Lux you get wrecked. That Liandry's Torment on the support made me rage IRL which frankly doesn't happen that often while watching.
Had they had it I believe somebody (like Zed) could have went in to wreck havoc despite the damage that got sent to them in the start. Lux achieved to wreck them after both teams stated clashing and the lack of tankiness made coL retreat really, they could have made work before the lux ult. Doesn't mean I disagree with you about the lack of bulwark though. That was so retarded.
On April 01 2013 09:31 daSilvaz wrote: This is the kind of logic that makes me fucking wanna slap them irl, So lets not change coz we are afraid of not working but instead lets keep going like this and go negative in LCS....god
Thing is, they're not really loosing because of their playstyle, they're loosing because of big misplays. Yes, their playstyle is not as safe against misplays, but it's still not fair to judge their playstyle when they fail at performing it.
On April 01 2013 09:31 daSilvaz wrote: This is the kind of logic that makes me fucking wanna slap them irl, So lets not change coz we are afraid of not working but instead lets keep going like this and go negative in LCS....god
Thing is, they're not really loosing because of their playstyle, they're loosing because of big misplays. Yes, their playstyle is not as safe against misplays, but it's still not fair to judge their playstyle when they fail at performing it.
They are actually losing because of it since the whole playstyle has a major fault, noone that has a brain and wants to be competive puts all their chips in the same place. Neither liftlift is a robot and neither is everyone else stupid
Again, their major issues are communication and choking in a tournament situation which has nothing to do with playstyle. Trying to change your entire playstyle while trying to get out of a slump at the same time is next to impossible.
On April 01 2013 09:31 daSilvaz wrote: This is the kind of logic that makes me fucking wanna slap them irl, So lets not change coz we are afraid of not working but instead lets keep going like this and go negative in LCS....god
Remember back in week 1 when people thought CLG was going to be the strongest team for a while?
How did they not mention Singed for Dyrus? Also, Trundle, GG.
It seemed like GGU should have engaged at mid when they had that good pillar. Flash Sona ult or something. They did good poke at mid and took TSM's turret but somehow get initiated on in a bad spot and TSM picks up a kill on TF. Still a low kill game GGU 0 - 2 TSM.
Another good pillar and poke by GGU. TF does a teleport in gold zhyona initation and they kill 3 of TSM members fairly quickly but then split up badly and aren't able to get Turtle who turns it around and gets a triple for a 3 for 3.
MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
On April 01 2013 10:11 daSilvaz wrote: MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
I'm guessing you don't understand how a poke team comp works....
On April 01 2013 10:11 daSilvaz wrote: MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
I'm guessing you don't understand how a poke team comp works....
On April 01 2013 10:11 daSilvaz wrote: MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
Stop hating, Trundle had a great pillar but TSM was ahead and Kog's positioning was bad, that's what got him caught. Plus Nasus wasn't "chunked to shit", Kog doesn't do enough damage currrently because he's so behind against the defensive builds from TSM.
GGU's most fed champion Kha'zix goes in solo for no reason, tries to kill Zed 1v1. Loses to Zed and Nasus with a fail flash to try and get back in base.
I'd like to see that Ruby (prob going into a Kindlegem) get converted to Zeke's for TOO. Very good on that 4 AD/autoattackers team, plus it's really good on Nasus already.
Wow I didn't know a Trundle with CDR could get so many pillars off. Not enough to stop TSM though, but wow GGU let TSM kill Nexus without any of their team dying.
On April 01 2013 10:18 BlackMagister wrote: Wow I didn't know a Trundle with CDR could get so many pillars off. Not enough to stop TSM though, but wow GGU let TSM kill Nexus without any of their team dying.
Biggest problem was GGU didn't take any risks that game, they slowly let TSM get constantly ahead; no dragon contest, no real tower contest, just meant they slowly got out tempo'd by TSM.
On April 01 2013 10:18 BlackMagister wrote: Wow I didn't know a Trundle with CDR could get so many pillars off. Not enough to stop TSM though, but wow GGU let TSM kill Nexus without any of their team dying.
Max CDR Trundle has a pillar up at all time. Always super fun to fuck up Olaf or champs relying on ult for mobility (Hecarim) or escape-less AD carries, provided that you can force a fight to last.
On April 01 2013 10:11 daSilvaz wrote: MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
Stop hating, Trundle had a great pillar but TSM was ahead and Kog's positioning was bad, that's what got him caught. Plus Nasus wasn't "chunked to shit", Kog doesn't do enough damage currrently because he's so behind against the defensive builds from TSM.
NO hate at all, just saying what most pros think and say, Trundle is shit, really nothing more to say. I just gave that fight as an example( taking ~60% of a tanks hp in 3 shots is chunking him to shit imo) but i can easily go to that fight where they poked them hard and took mid and still the alleged KING OF DISENGAGE was helpless to stop TSM from crushing them shortly after.
On April 01 2013 10:11 daSilvaz wrote: MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
Stop hating, Trundle had a great pillar but TSM was ahead and Kog's positioning was bad, that's what got him caught. Plus Nasus wasn't "chunked to shit", Kog doesn't do enough damage currrently because he's so behind against the defensive builds from TSM.
NO hate at all, just saying what most pros think and say, Trundle is shit, really nothing more to say. I just gave that fight as an example( taking ~60% of a tanks hp in 3 shots is chunking him to shit imo) but i can easily go to that fight where they poked them hard and took mid and still the alleged KING OF DISENGAGE was helpless to stop TSM from crushing them shortly after.
The disengages from Trundle was really good.. It did its job correctly, the problem was stemming from objective control.
dasilvaz wrote: I have no idea what trundles moves are or what he does but let's face it if DiamondproX dosn't play him he must be shit
is pretty much all I got out of this post
Arent u bright, regular fkin einstein ROFL, go check his ban/pick/win ratios mr genious then come try to talk shit. Herp derp my pillar is really cool...oh shit they killed my carry, NP lets pillar again
On April 01 2013 10:11 daSilvaz wrote: MAybe we arent indeed watching the same game, last teamfight sona had a great ult while kogmaw chunked nasus to shit, t hey turned arround and blew him up in 2 sec, what did trundle do in that time? oh yea...nothing
Stop hating, Trundle had a great pillar but TSM was ahead and Kog's positioning was bad, that's what got him caught. Plus Nasus wasn't "chunked to shit", Kog doesn't do enough damage currrently because he's so behind against the defensive builds from TSM.
NO hate at all, just saying what most pros think and say, Trundle is shit, really nothing more to say. I just gave that fight as an example( taking ~60% of a tanks hp in 3 shots is chunking him to shit imo) but i can easily go to that fight where they poked them hard and took mid and still the alleged KING OF DISENGAGE was helpless to stop TSM from crushing them shortly after.
Bad positioning from GGU in there, and bad ult from TF that put him on the frontlines (in the crescent bush right to get stunned by Renek, then Withered so he couldn't run far enough). Pillar was down at that time after it stopped Renekton and Nasus to turn to the rest of the team, but TF being near TSM's former outer mid meant that if GGU ran straight to their own mid outer they'd leave TF to die (again, he didn't get far enough because of Wither) or give TSM an occasion to fight 5v4 at said tower. Then, the pillar was down as I said, and Zed flashed-ult'd to TF. At that point Trundle doesn't matter: TF was so low that he would die just from ignite+ult damage, so only an instant "anticast" cc (Tibbers stun, Infuse silence, Fiddle's Fear, etc.) between the flash and the ult would have prevented TF's death. Then GGU ran back to the middle of the line to try and save TF so they made the distance the pillar helped create void, giving TSM the opportunity to come back into the fight (especially with Lulu's W speed boost on Renekton to E->W somebody, or on Nasus to R->Wither somebody), which theu obviously won because their comp was superior for them.
As I said, it's not Trundle. Pillars can't always make up for bad positioning.
This Renekton/Nasus combo seems really scary. If they both have ults up and are in the middle of the fight in 5v5s I'm not sure there's anything stronger than that in terms of hitpoints and sustained damage.
EDIT: Quinn! This game will be interesting at the least!
Another "mid" fight, the one at 6:05:50 in the youtube feed right after Regi dies bot:
Trundle on the left of the mid lane, Sona near the inner mid turret, Kog'Maw in the corridor near the wraiths bush (out of Trundle's range, far from the tower, with only Sona able to quickly move between the enemy team and him), TF and Kha coming back from bot while TSM has 4 people in front of the tower. Excellent Crescendo catching all 4, but WT disengages through cleanse, and Nasus and Renekton immediatly move to Kog's position. Kog moves back, starts hitting, but gets hit by Spirit Fire (huge ass armour reduction, most probably 40), stunned by Renekton, and with their ults damage is half health. Right at that point, excellent Pillar blocking both Renekton and Nasus from Kog, while letting Kha and TF able to reach them if needed, all while Renekton already used both his E dashes so he can't bypass it without flashing. Kog flashes out. Caitlyn's ult powered by IE+LW hits a 40-armour debuffed Kog'Maw, who already has low armour and hit points. Kog loses the remaining half of his health and dies.
What happened? Horrible Kog positioning far from the tower and pretty close to his opponents, moving toward them as Crescendo's stun finishes, and far from Trundle so the pillar couldn't be used before they reached Kog. See the pattern? Bad positioning. Again.
On April 01 2013 10:42 niukasu1990 wrote: actually Quinn was played by zzitai in LPL
On April 01 2013 10:57 Alaric wrote: Don't understimate a Nasus+Renekton+aegis combo, if you need more than 3 hits to kill them Ryze and Kog are going to melt you anyway.
Ryze also a tank in his own right. Can be very very tanky with frzn heart.
Yup, 0 waveclear on Vulcun, you can't fight a siege in those conditions, their composition is so, so reliant on actually being ahead (only one "tank", relying mostly on self-peel, split-push oriented), and their positioning and map awareness in the bottom-lane was pretty bad, leading to them getting smashed and feeding Kog+Nasus. :/ (Granted, they couldn't fight the 2v4s and those came from mandatorycloud having to help top, freeing Nyjacky, but still.)
Seeing Vulcun struggle to clear and MF with level 1 E reminds me of the tentative build by somebody in the MF thread saying he maxes E to use the strong slow and base damage to clear + trap people in his ult and stuff. 220 more damage certainly would help them trying to kill the minions fast.
Kennen isn't that strong of a laner anyways whereas Renekton is plenty strong. I've seen this happen a lot in bruiser vs Kennen just like you see it happen to Teemo vs Kennen. Sending squishies top is like having a squishy mid go against Leblanc. Top laners have a lot of kill potential.
"He doesn't do anything; I just shit on him." Nyjacky da bes.
Anyone else think that game was boring as hell? Curse didn't do anything special and just won by playing super standard. I thought firstpick MF was really dumb by Vulcun.
On April 01 2013 11:30 caelym wrote: "He doesn't do anything; I just shit on him." Nyjacky da bes.
Anyone else think that game was boring as hell? Curse didn't do anything special and just won by playing super standard. I thought firstpick MF was really dumb by Vulcun.
kinda boring game. Curse is stronger then Vulcan and strange middle lane didn't help for the other lanes. standard push to win
On April 01 2013 11:30 caelym wrote: "He doesn't do anything; I just shit on him." Nyjacky da bes.
Anyone else think that game was boring as hell? Curse didn't do anything special and just won by playing super standard. I thought firstpick MF was really dumb by Vulcun.
kinda boring game. Curse is stronger then Vulcan and strange middle lane didn't help for the other lanes. standard push to win
Eh, Quinn roaming was really strong actually, but mancloud can't carry his sidelanes when they're at a combined 0-12.
Was kinda amusing that Xmithie still somehow managed to steal back to back redbuffs without being able to keep his own bluebuff.
But yeah, the game wasn't particularly interesting.
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