[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 719

On October 11 2012 19:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
CLG.eu continue to be the epitome of a pro LoL team.

Respect.

On October 11 2012 18:56 dookudooku wrote:
(Please forgive me) Being pretty familiar with the China-Taiwan topic, I'll throw my thoughts, even though I really think it's really a sensitive subject that should be avoided.

Anyways, both 1ntrigue and Ryuu314 are correct to some extent. Most people in (mainland) China do indeed see Taiwanese as being very close to them. Like 1ntrigue said, "exiled brothers". However, the perspective from the Taiwanese side is often very different.

While young Chinese people are trying to become "closer" to the Taiwanese people, the Taiwanese youth has been trying to distance themselves more and more from the Chinese. The Taiwanese identity has grown enormously over the last 15 years or so, and the younger generation (25 and under) have been more and more actively disassociating themselves from the Chinese.

Take note of the following:
1. Taiwanese players and broadcasters rarely talk about the Chinese audience, instead talk about the Taiwanese audience. They aren't even using the politically neutral term "hua ren" often, which refers to the Chinese ethnicity. Mainland Chinese will support teams like TPA because they consider them their "own", but the Taiwanese won't consider any Chinese team their own.

2. In the past, foreign students from Taiwan would join "Chinese" clubs. Now they disassociate themselves from "Chinese" clubs and join "Taiwanese" clubs instead. In the past, almost all Mandarin speakers were from Taiwan. Now that Mandarin speakers are mostly from China, many Taiwanese try to maintain a "friendly" but "distanced" relationship to them.

3. "Taiwan is not part of China" has been accepted in mainstream culture and education in Taiwan for the last 15 years or so. Last time I went to Beijing I had to explain to some Taiwanese families on the airplane why they had to fill in the side of the immigration/customs card for Chinese nationals, and not the side for foreigners. Many of the Taiwanese kids were questioning (loudly) why they were standing in the line for "Chinese" people.

4. All of this is occurring despite improved cross-straight relations. While most Taiwanese people view improved cross-straight relations as positive, the reasons might surprise you. Mainlanders unquestionably want better relations, in order to get "closer" to the Taiwanese and hopefully convince them to reunite. Taiwanese people, on the other hand, want to show the Mainlanders that they are different, and hopefully convince them that independence is acceptable. Of course, both sides want to make lots of money.

5. While the older generation of Taiwanese may have more legitimate "beef" with mainlanders (such as the actions of the KMT when they moved to Taiwan), they are also much more reserved and well-mannered. They also generally don't use the Internet.

Note that I personally DO NOT wish to see the Taiwanese youth disassociate themselves from being Chinese. However, I'm just stating what is very very evident among the Taiwanese youth these days.

Honestly, we should be grateful that the people in TL.net are civilized enough to carry out such a conversation -- b/c a lot of the true sentiments of the Taiwanese youth would be extremely shocking to Mainland Chinese.

On October 11 2012 22:10 KarlKaliente wrote:
siiigh

Feels like a starcraft finals. Two teams I know little about and can hardly relate to duking it out while the white guys watch from the stands.

On October 11 2012 21:14 divinesage wrote:


It's a similar situation here in Singapore. Singaporeans of Chinese descent do not want to be associated with China for similar reasons. Although in this case there's no political divide, the cultural differences are sufficient to make most youths identify with their own country rather than China as a whole.

To put it simply, the Taiwanese youths identify themselves as Taiwanese Chinese, and not China Chinese.

On October 11 2012 22:14 nimdil wrote:
Officially Taiwan is called "Republic of China" so technically they should be referred to as Chinese. Does that mean that citizens of Republic of China don't like being referenced as such and we should call them taiwanese exclusively? I always assumed people use "taiwanese" term because of PRoC muscles and for clarification. Shouldn't Republic of China be renamed to Republic of Taiwan - if that's the case?

On October 11 2012 22:25 AsnSensation wrote:
stanley's build in g2 was chalice into wriggles and g3 chalice into rageblade right? what a genius never ever considered getting chalice on bruiser nidalee but it makes so much sense.

actually the rerun is running atm i noticed that he got spirit visage on nidalee both times

On October 11 2012 17:08 overt wrote:


CLGeu loses to M5 all but once.