Just got done watching the matches. WE vs CLG.eu was great, good game and showing by WE overall. And I was really happy for CLG that they managed to get to the semi's. Now the semi's, wow. Both EU teams had a strategy that they won the first game with and it got banned in the next two (Alex Eve & Wickd Jayce). Though with the M5 vs TPA game, I also have to note that both jungle Udyr games were lost. He just doesn't fit anymore, due to the prevalence of blink/displacement.
I'm interested in the finals, rooting for TPA. Though I'm a bit sad none of the EU powerhouses managed to get into the finals
@daemir: game1: CLG.eu had a poke comp with Ez, Soraka, Jayce, Morg & Skarner(?). They managed to just poke AZF down gradually and take objectives that way. game2: Jayce banned by AZF. CLG just gets outplayed by Frost, makes mistakes. Can't take it to late game. Ditto for game 3. Game 3 also has raid boss singed from Shy.
All in all, Frost didn't beat CLG that badly. CLG just had some weird things happening and that singed in game 3 screwed them over pretty hard.
wanted to try singed after shy played it against sk earlier last week but I looked up inverted composer's strange 1/10/19 masteries and had to lane ofc against a jayce and got destroyed. anyone knows shy's setup?
Chalice Nidalee is so simple yet so good, interestingly he got the rageblade after, I know its quite cost efficient and an excellent item but it strikes me as very slot inefficient.
On October 12 2012 00:16 Doctorbeat wrote: Though with the M5 vs TPA game, I also have to note that both jungle Udyr games were lost. He just doesn't fit anymore, due to the prevalence of blink/displacement.
I used to play Udyr a ton as well, and sadly feel the same way. Udyr's strongest in the midgame with boots+wits end+hog/chain vest/aegis. But now jungles just stack gp5 and Udyr isn't nearly as useful with that build as, say, Skarner/Maokai/Nautilus. And like you said all the champs played now have blinks.
He's still useful but definitely much more of a situational pick now.
On October 11 2012 18:52 WhiteDog wrote: Also, vs Azubu frost, just ban skarner and vladimir please ?
I wouldn't be surprised if TPA did just that. They have shown that they know what other teams win with, and will not hesitate to ban out players instead of banning OP/FOTM champions. They also seem to understand how banning a single part of a team comp can affect it.
That all said, no matter what you ban against frost, you're leaving some scary shit open. They have such a great repertoire of champions.
Getting hyped up for these finals. TPA were such dark horses, I can't NOT root for them. I remember seeing them stomping around in Garena a few months back and was like "wow, this team is making everyone look like noobs" - but I didn't expect them to do anywhere NEAR this well on the GLOBAL stage. I was saying things such as "TPA won the lottery, now they get knocked out in quarterfinals instead of group stages for bonus free money"
On October 12 2012 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote: Don't get why TSM won't let Dyrus Singed or CLG let jiji TF.
I think Dyrus said on a Reddit AMA last week that he hasn't played Singed in a while so he's out of practice with it, but he'll probably pick Singed back up for Season 3.
I think a big problem for CLG was that because of their playstyle they're FORCED to ban out Blitzcrank, and it leaves them unable to try and ban out a member of Azubu Frost.
Combined with Wickd playing on tilt after Game 2, it made for a really hard time for CLG.
Yellowpete needs to work on his mechanics to get on par with other AD Carries. His teamfighting is superb, but he always falls way behind in CS even in 2v1 free farm lanes.
Snoopeh also needs to look at letting his team abuse his jungle less, he constantly ends up behind and completely takes away any gold advantage gained by letting Froggen rape his jungle. It leaves him completely unable to be the diving suppressor that CLG needs when they DO commit to teamfights.
CLG looked great last night, but Frost was able to take the minor flaws in their games and turn them into gaping holes. It was really hard to watch Frost know exactly what to do.
1. They knew to do the lane swap because a) Wickd wasn't on his most comfortable champions b) Woong can outfarm Yellowpete if they're both in 2v1 lanes c) Wickd wasn't running Teleport
2. They knew Rapidstar wasn't going to hypercarry, this let them focus more on disrupting objectives and setting Snoopeh even further behind, effectively removing him from the equation entirely.
3. They were able to exploit the ambiguous pick strategy thanks to their relatively large champion pool. CLG really got outplayed in Picks, even when they had the "advantage" from being purple side thanks to Frost's mindgames with the champion picks. Game 3 was even worse with the Zyra/Vlad pick and then last pick Singed on Shy. Even if Zyra HAD been intended to support from the beginning, CLG had to consider that it might be a mindgame from Rapidstar, and they effectively mindgamed themselves into thinking it was a Riven vs Vlad matchup.
There were a lot of other things Frost was able to pick at, but I think those are the big 3
îll root against AZF because of the whole "looking at minimap" incident and because I like Blaze more but more importantly I was damn impressed how TPA came back out of their slump and played brilliantly, also i still have a small sum of money on them which might turn into a good amount^^.
@virgil you're wrong, according to krepo they knew that vlad was 100% mid and zyra support at least thats what they said.
On October 12 2012 02:14 kainzero wrote: i'll be rooting against AZF.
i refuse to believe in korean gaming overlord theory.
Eh? Overlord? Did you watch the CLGeu vs AF games? They were close, game 1 was all CLG, game 2 all AF. Very even series, really just want to know the reason behind the riven pick..that seemed to seal it.All in all CLG going 2-3 and 1-2 against AF in the last few months says alot, to me, especially when most other teams (eg TSM) can't even take a game off AB. Then najin sword spanks AB out of the world championships before tanking to TPA. Lot more parity here than in Starcraft or other "Korean Dominated" games.
On October 12 2012 01:47 Kipsate wrote: Singed 1v2ing
all I could think of was trololololololol.
Chalice Nidalee is so simple yet so good, interestingly he got the rageblade after, I know its quite cost efficient and an excellent item but it strikes me as very slot inefficient.
I think people are looking at the rageblade a little too much. He only got it one game after chalice, spirit visage, trinity, and guardian angel. That is very deep into a build and most games won't make it that far. Still, I am curious if that is one of the planned items in his build for very late in a game or if it was just a "I have the gold to buy it in one go, may as well do it." Really hoping to see more of Stanley's Nidalee in the finals.
On October 12 2012 01:47 Kipsate wrote: Singed 1v2ing
all I could think of was trololololololol.
Yeah me too I just don't understand how that worked. I guess they really screwed it up with that weird 3v2ing top lane, giving singed WAY too much xp. But even then I don't know how Shy became so dangerous so fast. Whenever I play vs a top laner like Riven it's a real struggle.
On October 12 2012 01:47 Kipsate wrote: Singed 1v2ing
all I could think of was trololololololol.
Yeah me too I just don't understand how that worked. I guess they really screwed it up with that weird 3v2ing top lane, giving singed WAY too much xp. But even then I don't know how Shy became so dangerous so fast. Whenever I play vs a top laner like Riven it's a real struggle.
I find it really interesting how the top laners pretty much secured the wins for TPA and AZF. M5 couldn't deal with Nid and Shy makes Singed look straight broken. Is TPA really better than M5, or was it more M5 not knowing how to deal with their team comp? This is a genuine question.
On October 12 2012 02:26 VirgilSC2 wrote: I think a big problem for CLG was that because of their playstyle they're FORCED to ban out Blitzcrank, and it leaves them unable to try and ban out a member of Azubu Frost.
Combined with Wickd playing on tilt after Game 2, it made for a really hard time for CLG.
Yellowpete needs to work on his mechanics to get on par with other AD Carries. His teamfighting is superb, but he always falls way behind in CS even in 2v1 free farm lanes.
Snoopeh also needs to look at letting his team abuse his jungle less, he constantly ends up behind and completely takes away any gold advantage gained by letting Froggen rape his jungle. It leaves him completely unable to be the diving suppressor that CLG needs when they DO commit to teamfights.
CLG looked great last night, but Frost was able to take the minor flaws in their games and turn them into gaping holes. It was really hard to watch Frost know exactly what to do.
1. They knew to do the lane swap because a) Wickd wasn't on his most comfortable champions b) Woong can outfarm Yellowpete if they're both in 2v1 lanes c) Wickd wasn't running Teleport
2. They knew Rapidstar wasn't going to hypercarry, this let them focus more on disrupting objectives and setting Snoopeh even further behind, effectively removing him from the equation entirely.
3. They were able to exploit the ambiguous pick strategy thanks to their relatively large champion pool. CLG really got outplayed in Picks, even when they had the "advantage" from being purple side thanks to Frost's mindgames with the champion picks. Game 3 was even worse with the Zyra/Vlad pick and then last pick Singed on Shy. Even if Zyra HAD been intended to support from the beginning, CLG had to consider that it might be a mindgame from Rapidstar, and they effectively mindgamed themselves into thinking it was a Riven vs Vlad matchup.
There were a lot of other things Frost was able to pick at, but I think those are the big 3
Wickd didn't tilt as much as I think Azubu played their picks very smart and banned out the two champions Wickd is going to play best. Scarra pointed out how easy it is to scout CLG.eu and that Wickd only really would be able to play two heroes at the level we're accustomed too, which were Irelia/Jayce this tournament and it turned out to be correct. Wickd has a very small champion pool and it cost CLG big time (most of CLG seems to be this way).
On October 11 2012 22:14 nimdil wrote: Officially Taiwan is called "Republic of China" so technically they should be referred to as Chinese. Does that mean that citizens of Republic of China don't like being referenced as such and we should call them taiwanese exclusively? I always assumed people use "taiwanese" term because of PRoC muscles and for clarification. Shouldn't Republic of China be renamed to Republic of Taiwan - if that's the case?
Essentially, after the Communist Revolution, the Nationalist government fled to Taiwan. At the time they considered themselves the 'legitimate' government of China, and so calling themselves the Republic of Taiwan would be all but giving up that claim. Also, though, there were people on the island who really were Taiwanese previously, and though there was tension to begin with and mistreatment of the islanders (as is almost inevitable when a large military force moves to a small civilian area) the two groups of emigrated Chinese Nationalists and the Taiwanese have largely integrated. This is just my layman's knowledge, so if anyone has more detailed information, I would be delighted for any corrections or addendums.
Based on my understanding, the division of indigenous vs. former mainlanders in Taiwan is still quite strong, and the local politics reflect that. The Democratic Progressive Party draws strong support from the indigenous group, and they have the more aggressive political agenda of declaring independence and renaming the country name away from "Republic of China". The KMT is more conservative in this regard (maintain status quo seems to be order of the day) and naturally draws more support from the former mainlanders (since they were the original mainlanders that fled to Taiwan). You can say it used to be worse (so they have made progress on integration). One of the most famous/important films in Taiwan film history (A Brighter Summer Day, almost 4 hours long but a great drama) showcases the deep political tensions in the 60s between outsiders and indigenous folks.
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