EPT[–]Froggen[S] 567 points 1 hour ago
I feel like its okay because I would hate the 3rd place match to be more hyped than the 1. place match, both TPA and AF deserves to be more recognized by the community.
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
[–]Froggen[S] 567 points 1 hour ago I feel like its okay because I would hate the 3rd place match to be more hyped than the 1. place match, both TPA and AF deserves to be more recognized by the community. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:55 kainzero wrote: man i'm scared if riv3 and phreak cast the finals. i can deal with mute, i can deal with switching to the korean stream but since i'm attending live, oh man, i can't escape it. i'm so worried. Ask for one of their super-soundproof headsets | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:56 Antyee wrote: Froggen about the match for third place: [–]Froggen[S] 567 points 1 hour ago I feel like its okay because I would hate the 3rd place match to be more hyped than the 1. place match, both TPA and AF deserves to be more recognized by the community. Everyone on CLG.eu such standup people, in contrast to NA scene. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 12 2012 05:00 wei2coolman wrote: Everyone on CLG.eu such standup people, in contrast to NA scene. CLG.EU know that they're top tier and don't have as much to prove to other people. If you saw post game 3 of CLG/AZF, after the loss, Krepo just went to CloudTemplar and was so excited about how clutch the pull on Ezreal that Skarner got was. I can only imagine the conversation was something like "dannnng dude that pull was so clutch holy shit so good." In contrast, when Dignitas lost, they just sat around being sad and didn't talk to anyone or say anything. It really showed how professional CLG.EU are since they were clearly here not just for the recognition and prize money but also for the thrill of really good competition. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:23 wei2coolman wrote: Froggen's midgame is reminiscence of jiji's midgame, except farms better, and creates the same problem as jiji does, except it's just covered up by his ability to farm, and strong lategame. I was utterly shocked when WE didn't take Karthus in g3. (For those who don't know/remember - CLG.EU already picked their top, jungle, and AD, and WE already had Corki and Maokai. They pick Leona and Karthus, then change the Karthus to Olaf last minute. This lets Froggen get Karthus.) I thought this was a huge mistake. Olaf was in no danger of getting taken away, and with how aggressive Corki/Leona/Maokai played vs Jayce top they should have known a global ultimate is a big mistake. If Froggen had literally any other AP (besides TF) that game would not have been remotely close going into the midgame. Karthus ults kept them in the game, and there was no stopping Kog/Karthus/Nunu late game. EDIT: And I bring this up mainly because, like everyone has been saying about Froggen, he's a farmer more than an aggressive mid. Freely giving him the chance to have map presence was a mistake. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:00 wei2coolman wrote: The more I watch Froggen's play, the less impressed I become. He just farms well, but he doesn't do enough in midgame to swing anything in their favor. Though this is because CLG.eu's always had a fairly passive midgame, but this has become a weakness of theirs, not a strength. Froggens passive/defensive plays in lane, makes enemy junglers avoid trying to gank him. If he played more aggressive, he'd draw a lot more enemy jungle pressure, making it easier for Wick'd and Bot lane. Also, Froggen is gimping snoopeh so hard, by taking all the wraiths. I've noticed Froggen indiscriminately takes wraiths, as opposed to most mids that take wraiths only if they know the reset on wraith timers will pop when the Jungler gets back to his jungle. Froggens strength comes from his ability to farm, but he doesn't use his farm advantage until very lategame, when he could actually abuse that extra gold in midgame. The part about Froggen being passiv midlane is completly true, but it has nothing to do with the fact that he is almost never ganked. If you look at CLG vs WE, froggen is just impossible to gank. He pulls back and nows when to play agressiv and when not to, just like he knows where the jungler is. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On October 12 2012 05:14 WhiteDog wrote: The part about Froggen being passiv midlane is completly true, but it has nothing to do with the fact that he is almost never ganked. If you look at CLG vs WE, froggen is just impossible to gank. He pulls back and nows when to play agressiv and when not to, just like he knows where the jungler is. Azubu Frost got him twice with ganks did they not? Game 2 Froggen gave first blood and game 3 I know they got him at least once with a gank at mid. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Ask for one of their super-soundproof headsets maybe i need a booth and a visible minimap screen | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On October 12 2012 05:22 wei2coolman wrote: He doesn't know how to play aggressive in a 1v1 situation, he rarely creates his own plays in mid. It has to be a huge slip up on enemy mid for him to get the kill. As much shit as people give Regi for being too stupidly aggressive, he's one of the few mids nowadays that is willing to create his own plays in mid. Playing passive in lane is fine, but playing passive, and lack of map mobility/presence, really hurts. As far as the whole Toyz thing is concerned, lilballz compensates ridiculously well, but if you look at Game 1 against M5, toyz lack of map presence (despite being karthus) really hurt them badly. sorry but seems like you haven't followed clg/froggen/european league for too long and only judge from this tournament. during the "old" days meaning a few months ago when froggen played stuff like ahri or anivia he regularly got kills in lane easily with some sick stuff like ahri ulting into cassio and clutch turn away when cassio ulted and similar things. he played karthus 95% of the time ever since they went to korea and karthus doesn'thave 1 v 1 killpotential unless the enemy indeed screws up heavily. I think the only other ap he played this tourney was orianna who doesnt have huge 1v1 killpotential either. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
What really really impressed me was when TPA saw the M5 jungler show up, they just kept the baron at 1k HP until Ori's CDs came back up and then coordinated the QW burst with Smite to take the baron. Obviously they had a huge map control advantage already, but I see so many NA teams try to rush baron down when they have already had the lead and then get 1v5 outsmote by the enemy jungler. Seems like NA teams really need to work on their coordination. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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TheSinisterRed
United States1546 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:37 Ryuu314 wrote: I think the rageblade was more of a "I have hella gold wtf do I buy now" kinda thing. He probably could've bought a BT if he had the gold and done just as well at that point imo. Chalice I feel was somewhat situational. He built it in order to out-sustain and out-harass Yorick. I'm not convinced that Chalice would be a good buy on Nid for most situations since you generally don't really need that much mana regen/mr. It's just that laning against Yorick requires you to be able to spam your heal as often as Yorick spams his ghouls, making Chalice that much stronger. I am convinced that rageblade was just having a ton of gold lategame. It only happened once in the series and only after major core items were out of the way. I have to disagree with you on the Chalice comment. I think that is the major item Stanley used to revolutionize AD Nidalee play. If you watch both games where he plays Nidalee his mana is almost always less than 10% full once he has Chalice. It allows insane levels of sustain with the heal and spirit visage and solid map awareness with all the traps he can lay down. During the laning phase this means he can be incredibly aggressive against his lane opponent, always coming out ahead in trades because of the heal and never having to worry about ganks because of the traps. After laning phase it is just as important to keep that map awareness to split push effectively, and the sustain with the heals lets him stay out on the map and out of his base for a very long time. If he didn't have Chalice he would be forced to back every so often to heal and recover mana, as opposed to only backing when he is sitting on 3k gold and wants to finish a major item in one go. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
because he overextended once again or wasted his flash earlier uncessarily, to be fair it only happens in onlinetournaments or scrims, because in case you didn't notice regi plays just as safe in Lan Environment - farm as best as possible, shove take wraiths back. only difference between regis and Froggen' Karthus I noticed is that regi tends to do some retarded flash wall defile moves which was mostly due to TSM not picking any good initiates. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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TheSinisterRed
United States1546 Posts
On October 12 2012 05:52 wei2coolman wrote: A major component of the Chalice as well, was that the MR stacking on Chalice +SV +merc treads is a lot of MR, without having to build a negatron cloak. So theoretically this build would work really strongly on a Jayce lane too, his E wouldn't do that much damage. Not to mention free resists on her R, stacks on top of all of that. It's a stupidly strong item build from Stanley. I would've gone more crazy if Stanley chose to get Bildgewater cutlass over Guinsoos though. I would've really been fan boying like crazy. Considering how much damage he was doing, he could've used slow from the active and 1v1'd even more successfully. I'd really like to see Stanley take his Nidalee up against a Jayce. It would probably be even more of a stomp because Jayce has 0 sustain to compete with Nidalee. And there are a lot of items that I feel would have worked better than the rageblade, but at that point in the game it didn't matter what he added on top of his core item build. He wasn't going for 1v1 kills so much as he was peeling for the rest of his team, forcing M5 to spread out to deal with the split pushing terror. This led to very uncomfortable positions for M5 with a team that could not compete 4v4 with the rest of TPA. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:36 zer0das wrote: Excuse me while I go jump off a cliff due to the recent spike of AD Nidalees I have encountered thanks to Taipei Assassin. Doubt it, everyone's gunna QQ about how m5 is still the superior team, and deny the fact that TPA is the superior team. | ||
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