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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance. Fair warning to all. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:16 bezerkley wrote: Based on my understanding, the division of indigenous vs. former mainlanders in Taiwan is still quite strong, and the local politics reflect that. The Democratic Progressive Party draws strong support from the indigenous group, and they have the more aggressive political agenda of declaring independence and renaming the country name away from "Republic of China". The KMT is more conservative in this regard (maintain status quo seems to be order of the day) and naturally draws more support from the former mainlanders (since they were the original mainlanders that fled to Taiwan). You can say it used to be worse (so they have made progress on integration). One of the most famous/important films in Taiwan film history (A Brighter Summer Day, almost 4 hours long but a great drama) showcases the deep political tensions in the 60s between outsiders and indigenous folks. There's also the fact that if Taiwan under DPP leadership even suggests renaming Taiwan to Republic of Taiwan or something similar China (PRC) will go absolutely ballistic and start shooting missiles in Taiwan's general direction claiming it to be "military exercises (as seen in 2004)" On October 12 2012 03:26 BlackPaladin wrote: M5 just got outpicked for the most part. (like picking a team of 0 hard cc in game 3) The skill level of the top teams aren't that far apart. Honestly, I'm not convinced M5 got outpicked that hard. In game 2, they ran their own version of protect the kog. The biggest problem was their misplay at lvl 1 which let TPA snowball their AD carry lane and basically neuter Kog. Stanley's Chalice rush Nidalee also completely countered Yorick and shut down that lane. Game 3 M5 got outpicked pretty hard I'll give you that. Giving up Ez/Sona and Anivia is just bad. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Stanley's build on nidalee simply too next level for me. I've always hated guinsoo's rageblade as an item, but then stanley does it on AD nidalee and my mind is fucking beyond blown. And no one gets chalice on AD nidalee, but Stanley gives no fucks. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:34 wei2coolman wrote: Real question, Shy's singed vs Stanley's Mandilee. Who wins? Stanley's build on nidalee simply too next level for me. I've always hated guinsoo's rageblade as an item, but then stanley does it on AD nidalee and my mind is fucking beyond blown. And no one gets chalice on AD nidalee, but Stanley gives no fucks. I think the rageblade was more of a "I have hella gold wtf do I buy now" kinda thing. He probably could've bought a BT if he had the gold and done just as well at that point imo. Chalice I feel was somewhat situational. He built it in order to out-sustain and out-harass Yorick. I'm not convinced that Chalice would be a good buy on Nid for most situations since you generally don't really need that much mana regen/mr. It's just that laning against Yorick requires you to be able to spam your heal as often as Yorick spams his ghouls, making Chalice that much stronger. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
For the cost of a rageblade, he could've just gotten bfsword + vamp sceptre, would've stacked with his Spirit Visage better. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 12 2012 02:26 VirgilSC2 wrote: Yellowpete needs to work on his mechanics to get on par with other AD Carries. His teamfighting is superb, but he always falls way behind in CS even in 2v1 free farm lanes. Honestly, this one's attributable to Wickd and Froggen a fair bit in taking farm. Yellowpete and Krepo engage in a lot more map movement and a lot less static farming than other AD/Supports, in part because Froggen actually is quite passive and does a lot LESS map movement than most other APs. While slight CS advantages can build up during laning phase due to last-hitting mechanics, the vast majority of CS differentials between AD carries after the first 5 minutes are not mechanical. It comes from either the presence of the other team members making space for the AD, and from the AD themselves being able to find farm. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 12 2012 02:29 Praetorial wrote: I am rooting for AZF just because of this interview agreed, cloud templar is adorable :3 also he reminds me of a less ironic/annoying borat in that video XD | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
I think this new push towers asap mentality is way overused and often times backfires. I've always been an adept of keeping enemy towers alive IF it means you can zone out the opposition. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: Honestly, this one's attributable to Wickd and Froggen a fair bit in taking farm. Yellowpete and Krepo engage in a lot more map movement and a lot less static farming than other AD/Supports, in part because Froggen actually is quite passive and does a lot LESS map movement than most other APs. While slight CS advantages can build up during laning phase due to last-hitting mechanics, the vast majority of CS differentials between AD carries after the first 5 minutes are not mechanical. It comes from either the presence of the other team members making space for the AD, and from the AD themselves being able to find farm. The more I watch Froggen's play, the less impressed I become. He just farms well, but he doesn't do enough in midgame to swing anything in their favor. Though this is because CLG.eu's always had a fairly passive midgame, but this has become a weakness of theirs, not a strength. Froggens passive/defensive plays in lane, makes enemy junglers avoid trying to gank him. If he played more aggressive, he'd draw a lot more enemy jungle pressure, making it easier for Wick'd and Bot lane. Also, Froggen is gimping snoopeh so hard, by taking all the wraiths. I've noticed Froggen indiscriminately takes wraiths, as opposed to most mids that take wraiths only if they know the reset on wraith timers will pop when the Jungler gets back to his jungle. Froggens strength comes from his ability to farm, but he doesn't use his farm advantage until very lategame, when he could actually abuse that extra gold in midgame. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:54 Dan HH wrote: Just watched the 3rd match of CLG.eu vs Frost which I didn't manage to catch last night and it looks like CLG oversimplified the laning phase. They did what became a standard thing these days which is take the tower as soon as possible and now what? Now you give free farm to Singed and create a monster when you could have completely starved him of xp and cs and all for a meager 150g per. I think this new push towers asap mentality is way overused and often times backfires. I've always been an adept of keeping enemy towers alive IF it means you can zone out the opposition. Their bot tower was about to fall, then Frost would have simply swapped lanes and Singed would be farming against a towerless Riven. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:40 wei2coolman wrote: Chalice felt relevant all game though, because stanley was able to place traps all game, making his split pushing much safer. Every time his trap was on cooldown, he placed down a trap, which acted as a mini ward, making his slit pushing a lot safer than most split pushing nidalee. For the cost of a rageblade, he could've just gotten bfsword + vamp sceptre, would've stacked with his Spirit Visage better. Unless they have changed it, visage doesnt affect vamp or lifesteal. So actually rageblade synergizes with visage better since it does affect the heal which scales off AP. | ||
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:03 AsnSensation wrote: well anivia is always banned and somehow he always feels like he wants to play karthus because he's a lategame monster and to be big there he needs to farm, if anivia wasnt banned or if he played more stuff like ahri he would make alot more plays. I don't think he'd even have picked Anivia, just like he didn't pick her for g5 of the Azubu LoL final. Karthus does the whole turtling thing just as well, while being able to prevent the other team from towerdiving (and with the defensive playstyle of CLG.eu, ganking period) without even leaving his lane. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:07 petered wrote: Unless they have changed it, visage doesnt affect vamp or lifesteal. So actually rageblade synergizes with visage better since it does affect the heal which scales off AP. They changed it to affect lifesteal more than a year ago. On October 12 2012 04:16 DragoonTT wrote: I don't think he'd even have picked Anivia, just like he didn't pick her for g5 of the Azubu LoL final. Karthus does the whole turtling thing just as well, while being able to prevent the other team from towerdiving (and with the defensive playstyle of CLG.eu, ganking period) without even leaving his lane. The thing is, there are other AP players that are capable of protecting their lategame as Karthus without being a total liability to the team midgame. I don't want to say that Froggen HAS to learn how to make plays, because strictly speaking his teamfight execution is good enough--but at the very least CLG.Eu needs to re-evaluate their style insofar as how they manage Froggen's passivity and high farming priority. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:07 petered wrote: Unless they have changed it, visage doesnt affect vamp or lifesteal. So actually rageblade synergizes with visage better since it does affect the heal which scales off AP. It does benefit from lifesteal. V1.0.0.120: Now increases regeneration from life steal and spell vamp. Fixed a bug where it was granting too much bonus regeneration | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:23 wei2coolman wrote: Froggen's midgame is reminiscence of jiji's midgame, except farms better, and creates the same problem as jiji does, except it's just covered up by his ability to farm, and strong lategame. It's also helped by Snoopeh being a fairly active and gank-heavy jungler which makes up for Froggen's smaller presence, whereas Saint was always a very selfish and farm-centric jungler, and Hotshot's just bad. Again, this is not necessarily a problem depending on the team's style and how they choose to play/pick around it. Toyz is not actually a terribly active mid player either, and he is most suitable on similar APs to Froggen that generally are much less active play-makers. It's just that in terms of TPA's style, it fits in the overall scheme of how they play (all lanes are for the most part self-sufficient, and Ballz' absolutely dominating jungle presence helps relieve jungle pressure). | ||
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
i can deal with mute, i can deal with switching to the korean stream but since i'm attending live, oh man, i can't escape it. i'm so worried. | ||
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