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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On October 10 2012 22:54 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:52 Chexx wrote:On October 10 2012 22:49 seanisgrand wrote:
This tournament is a nightmare. Total trainwreck. go back to dota 2 please. I don't play DOTA 2. I'm just really upset that the tourney has had so many problems. 
Yea one day was bad. But still 2 days were good and the grand final will air on sunday. People declaring the whole tournament as a total failure is just dumb. How many tournaments have we seen where one day was bad but after the finals the people were like "best finals ever durrr".
Just wait till the tournament ends, lets see what happens tomorrow( for me its tomorrow) and on sunday.
And if you still think after the finals were played that this tournament is still a trainwreck then you can write your opinion but please back it up with more than just thats a trainwreck.
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On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems.
Three bo3's were affected because they were all unable to finish or start.
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On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems.
I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n
edit: let me try to clarify-
This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament.
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On October 10 2012 23:12 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems. I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n edit: let me try to clarify- This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament.
Every issue except for the internet problems should have been avoided? So... that leaves the cheating allegations. You are ruling the event an abomination because some players were looking over their shoulder? Isn't that a bit extreme? Its not a good thing to have, but they are reviewing the video and making a ruling later tonight, and are fixing the problem going forward.
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On October 10 2012 23:10 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:54 seanisgrand wrote:On October 10 2012 22:52 Chexx wrote:On October 10 2012 22:49 seanisgrand wrote:
This tournament is a nightmare. Total trainwreck. go back to dota 2 please. I don't play DOTA 2. I'm just really upset that the tourney has had so many problems. Yea one day was bad. But still 2 days were good and the grand final will air on sunday. People declaring the whole tournament as a total failure is just dumb. How many tournaments have we seen where one day was bad but after the finals the people were like "best finals ever durrr". Just wait till the tournament ends, lets see what happens tomorrow( for me its tomorrow) and on sunday. And if you still think after the finals were played that this tournament is still a trainwreck then you can write your opinion but please back it up with more than just thats a trainwreck.
Like you I'm hoping that the rest of the tournament is able to finish without any further controversy or technical interruption. But the fact is that allegations of cheating, no proper stage setup, start delays and the technical difficulties that caused 3 series to be completely delayed all brought the quality down. All of this drama, justified or not, is far too much for me to think that this tournament was a showcase that anyone should be proud of. Riot certainly is not going to look back on this and think "Hell yeah, we smashed that shit. Best tournament ever."
This was their showcase for their game. Their showcase for competitive league of legends with a huge money pot fronted by them. This was the chance to show everyone that they could run a sick tournament, and all that happened was more problems than can be counted on my ten fingers.
I want LoL to succeed as THE premier e-sport so it's really disappointing as a fan watching from afar, not to mention the others who wanted to be there for the live audience.
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On October 10 2012 10:00 justiceknight wrote:
so CLG eu vs WE will be tomorrow and along with the rest of the semi?
hm.... i hope some1 can answer or we still dont have an answer yet T_T
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On October 10 2012 23:19 KarlKaliente wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 23:12 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems. I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n edit: let me try to clarify- This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament. Every issue except for the internet problems should have been avoided? So... that leaves the cheating allegations. You are ruling the event an abomination because some players were looking over their shoulder? Isn't that a bit extreme? Its not a good thing to have, but they are reviewing the video and making a ruling later tonight, and are fixing the problem going forward.
I don't care how they rule the cheating scandal crap. It's ridiculous if they take any action, and the community will bitch about it either way. The problem is that the allegations even happened in the first place. It's been brought up countless times already, but BOOTHS.
And I said the stream shutdowns. The games should have been able to continue under any circumstances short of power outages or some other catastrophe. If they used the autosave feature that has also been previously brought up then they could continue even post-power outage.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On October 10 2012 23:23 justiceknight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 10:00 justiceknight wrote:
so CLG eu vs WE will be tomorrow and along with the rest of the semi? hm.... i hope some1 can answer or we still dont have an answer yet T_T
On October 10 2012 22:35 KarlKaliente wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 22:24 BlueSpace wrote:On October 10 2012 22:22 CROrens wrote:On October 10 2012 22:17 Abenson wrote:
Hmm...
So the CLG.eu vs. WE game starts at 01:00 GMT (+00:00)
Sorry, too lazy to look up time zone converters lol well atleast its BO1 this time so fewer games Both teams agreed on playing a fresh Bo3, which I think is a good decision. Both teams agreed and wanted to, riot shot that down though. only a single gaming happening tonight for the last quarterfinal. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/playoffs-resume-october-10th-500-pm
We’ve rescheduled the remainder of the World Playoff matches for this coming Wednesday, October 10th, starting at 5:00 PM Pacific Time. The games will be streaming live in free HD on both Twitch and Own3D, with the same production quality and broadcast features (player cams, replays, interviews, etc.) that you saw up until we ran into technical difficulties. A full list of foreign language streams is still to be determined.
Here’s the full schedule, starting at 5:00 PM Pacific Time:
Match 1 – Team WE vs. Counter Logic Gaming EU quarterfinal match *
Match 2 – M5.BenQ vs. Taipei Assassins semifinal match
Match 3 – Azubu Frost vs. the winner of the Match 1
We’ll be broadcasting from a backstage area of the Galen Center – the same venue where we’re holding the World Finals. The main stage is still being set up for Saturday’s festivities, so we’re decking the back out with all the accoutrements necessary to provide a level playing field for the teams and a high-quality viewing experience for all of you watching from home. Unfortunately, due to the time and space constraints, we won’t be able to host a live audience.
* The first two games of the series between Team WE and Counter Logic Gaming Europe were completed on Saturday, and the match is currently holding at a game apiece. The winner of this quarterfinal round will be decided by the first game of the evening.
Unless I am missing something this is it right?
Long night either way
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Just because they were unable to start on time doesn't mean that they never are. m5 tpa and azf weren't affected that much by their matches being delayed a couple days. IEM china they had to cancel a full day of competition and force everyone to play the remainder of matches in 2 days instead of 3, IPL3 had groups where the players just decided not to play and decided that based on coin toss's. MLG dallas I don't even know what happened because I only saw like 3 series actually come out of it. TI1 was pretty god awful compared to TI2.
Its really riots first big event that they're producing themselves. Yeah its gone horribly but the international 1 was a hell of a lot worse over all. You can't predict when the city internet is unreliable and its pretty fucking difficult to get around that basic infrastructure. Every organization gets a really shitty act of god to welcome them into esports and this is no different. They're actually really ahead for disaster events in esports.
At above Krepo said that they didn't agree on the remake the whole best of three and because one of them was going to have to face frost that evening anyway they decided to only make it 1 game.
I really gotta recommend people going to http://www.surrenderat20.net/ for stuff like this. They keep track of all the red posts in the riot forums and they've been accurate a lot for me for stuff like this.
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On October 10 2012 23:24 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 23:19 KarlKaliente wrote:On October 10 2012 23:12 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems. I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n edit: let me try to clarify- This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament. Every issue except for the internet problems should have been avoided? So... that leaves the cheating allegations. You are ruling the event an abomination because some players were looking over their shoulder? Isn't that a bit extreme? Its not a good thing to have, but they are reviewing the video and making a ruling later tonight, and are fixing the problem going forward. I don't care how they rule the cheating scandal crap. It's ridiculous if they take any action, and the community will bitch about it either way. The problem is that the allegations even happened in the first place. It's been brought up countless times already, but BOOTHS. And I said the stream shutdowns. The games should have been able to continue under any circumstances short of power outages or some other catastrophe. If they used the autosave feature that has also been previously brought up then they could continue even post-power outage.
It was said during the day the game has some form of save/recovery but during the d/c of the entire game spells were being thrown and they still resolved. As stated in the tournament rules if anyone dies during a d/c the game will be remade. And since esp the second d/c was in the middle of a teamfight it had to be remade.
The rules were clear and were followed.
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On October 10 2012 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 23:24 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:19 KarlKaliente wrote:On October 10 2012 23:12 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems. I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n edit: let me try to clarify- This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament. Every issue except for the internet problems should have been avoided? So... that leaves the cheating allegations. You are ruling the event an abomination because some players were looking over their shoulder? Isn't that a bit extreme? Its not a good thing to have, but they are reviewing the video and making a ruling later tonight, and are fixing the problem going forward. I don't care how they rule the cheating scandal crap. It's ridiculous if they take any action, and the community will bitch about it either way. The problem is that the allegations even happened in the first place. It's been brought up countless times already, but BOOTHS. And I said the stream shutdowns. The games should have been able to continue under any circumstances short of power outages or some other catastrophe. If they used the autosave feature that has also been previously brought up then they could continue even post-power outage. It was said during the day the game has some form of save/recovery but during the d/c of the entire game spells were being thrown and they still resolved. As stated in the tournament rules if anyone dies during a d/c the game will be remade. And since esp the second d/c was in the middle of a teamfight it had to be remade. The rules were clear and were followed.
It's obviously not a very good backup plan if it's not reliable.
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On October 10 2012 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 23:24 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:19 KarlKaliente wrote:On October 10 2012 23:12 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems. I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n edit: let me try to clarify- This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament. Every issue except for the internet problems should have been avoided? So... that leaves the cheating allegations. You are ruling the event an abomination because some players were looking over their shoulder? Isn't that a bit extreme? Its not a good thing to have, but they are reviewing the video and making a ruling later tonight, and are fixing the problem going forward. I don't care how they rule the cheating scandal crap. It's ridiculous if they take any action, and the community will bitch about it either way. The problem is that the allegations even happened in the first place. It's been brought up countless times already, but BOOTHS. And I said the stream shutdowns. The games should have been able to continue under any circumstances short of power outages or some other catastrophe. If they used the autosave feature that has also been previously brought up then they could continue even post-power outage. It was said during the day the game has some form of save/recovery but during the d/c of the entire game spells were being thrown and they still resolved. As stated in the tournament rules if anyone dies during a d/c the game will be remade. And since esp the second d/c was in the middle of a teamfight it had to be remade. The rules were clear and were followed.
True. But then it leaves us up to debate what type of save system it is in the first place. I wonder if it's possible to program the game to immediately pause when a dc occurs and only able to unpause when the dc person has reconnected.
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On October 10 2012 23:49 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:On October 10 2012 23:24 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:19 KarlKaliente wrote:On October 10 2012 23:12 seRapH wrote:On October 10 2012 23:07 Sermokala wrote:
Only 1 bo3 gets effected by technical difficulties and the whole event turns into a train wreck? then what would you call all the sc2 events that have had lag and disconnect problems let alone the ones that have any major technical problems. I have no idea what sc2 events you're talking about as I don't follow the game, but yes they sound very much like what I would describe as a wreck. Not the hiccups like lagging or mouse problems, but disconnects and such. Or power outages n_n edit: let me try to clarify- This is not what a tournament should look like. It is an abomination. Every issue save for the shutdown of the streams and some of the equipment malfunctions could have been forseen and prevented. You can't call it a success. It is by no means a complete failure, should they, god willing, manage to complete the tournament, but it has already fallen well below what should be seen as the standard of an offline tournament. Every issue except for the internet problems should have been avoided? So... that leaves the cheating allegations. You are ruling the event an abomination because some players were looking over their shoulder? Isn't that a bit extreme? Its not a good thing to have, but they are reviewing the video and making a ruling later tonight, and are fixing the problem going forward. I don't care how they rule the cheating scandal crap. It's ridiculous if they take any action, and the community will bitch about it either way. The problem is that the allegations even happened in the first place. It's been brought up countless times already, but BOOTHS. And I said the stream shutdowns. The games should have been able to continue under any circumstances short of power outages or some other catastrophe. If they used the autosave feature that has also been previously brought up then they could continue even post-power outage. It was said during the day the game has some form of save/recovery but during the d/c of the entire game spells were being thrown and they still resolved. As stated in the tournament rules if anyone dies during a d/c the game will be remade. And since esp the second d/c was in the middle of a teamfight it had to be remade. The rules were clear and were followed. True. But then it leaves us up to debate what type of save system it is in the first place. I wonder if it's possible to program the game to immediately pause when a dc occurs and only able to unpause when the dc person has reconnected.
Not possible. duo to lag possibility's there is always a small amount of time before a d/c can be detected. And it happened in the middle of a teamfight. The only way to "save" it would be to backup the entire state of the game every few minutes orso and considering the shobby way LoL is coded im not even sure if thats possible/realistic.
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Can someone please confirm that my calculations are ok - that 17:00 PDT = 2:00am CET?
Meaning, quaterfinals will begin ~8h30m from now?
I just dont wanna miss it... anyways, why it's not in 'upcomming events' ???
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On October 11 2012 00:32 jarek.exe wrote:
Can someone please confirm that my calculations are ok - that 17:00 PDT = 2:00am CET?
Meaning, quaterfinals will begin ~8h30m from now?
I just dont wanna miss it... anyways, why it's not in 'upcomming events' ???
Thursday, Oct 11 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
that should display in your local time.
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On October 10 2012 23:27 Sermokala wrote:Just because they were unable to start on time doesn't mean that they never are. m5 tpa and azf weren't affected that much by their matches being delayed a couple days. IEM china they had to cancel a full day of competition and force everyone to play the remainder of matches in 2 days instead of 3, IPL3 had groups where the players just decided not to play and decided that based on coin toss's. MLG dallas I don't even know what happened because I only saw like 3 series actually come out of it. TI1 was pretty god awful compared to TI2. Its really riots first big event that they're producing themselves. Yeah its gone horribly but the international 1 was a hell of a lot worse over all. You can't predict when the city internet is unreliable and its pretty fucking difficult to get around that basic infrastructure. Every organization gets a really shitty act of god to welcome them into esports and this is no different. They're actually really ahead for disaster events in esports. At above Krepo said that they didn't agree on the remake the whole best of three and because one of them was going to have to face frost that evening anyway they decided to only make it 1 game. I really gotta recommend people going to http://www.surrenderat20.net/ for stuff like this. They keep track of all the red posts in the riot forums and they've been accurate a lot for me for stuff like this.
But other tournaments have improved. Sure, it is Riot's first tournament but they knew they would be compare to The International 2 (and not International 1). You have to match your competitor's current offerings. Not what they did in 'their' first try.
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I added time zone to my profile, but it doesn't work for some reason
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The Stunning conclusion to the MOST EPIC BO3 IN ESPORTS HISTORY will soon be upon us
and this time WE will have eaten lunch!
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On October 11 2012 00:32 jarek.exe wrote:
Can someone please confirm that my calculations are ok - that 17:00 PDT = 2:00am CET?
Meaning, quaterfinals will begin ~8h30m from now?
I just dont wanna miss it... anyways, why it's not in 'upcomming events' ???
yes 2:00 for us CEST people and no upcoming events bc TL doesnt feature LoL
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So, how come they are not restarting the TSM vs Frost match?
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