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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.
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On October 06 2012 10:47 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:45 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2012 10:21 QuakerOats wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 overt wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at Coming from a Quake/Halo/TF2 background the NA scene in Brood War/SC2/LoL/DotA makes me really sad. BW wasn't too bad, we had Nony and Idra! Lol, I hope that was sarcasm. There were some pretty good American players, not only those two who were the last along with Assem. The difference wasn't as pronounced earlier in the scene but yes later it was just complete domination as Korea became increasingly structured and professionalized and everyone else didn't
Is hindsight always this rosy? The NA scene had nothing on the Korean scene for the last 6-7 years of BW. Testie and others taking random games off Koreans at WCG don't amount to much.
At least in LoL, the mechanical skill ceiling is lower so the difference won't be as pronounced. However, the teamwork within the truly professional Korean teams are unmatched by any team in NA.
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On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans.
Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem.
A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue.
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On October 06 2012 10:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:49 Caphe wrote:On October 06 2012 10:45 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2012 10:21 QuakerOats wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 overt wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at Coming from a Quake/Halo/TF2 background the NA scene in Brood War/SC2/LoL/DotA makes me really sad. BW wasn't too bad, we had Nony and Idra! Lol, I hope that was sarcasm. No its actually true. NA's BW is not that bad. Since everybody can't beat Koreans, thats where the word foreigners come from. NA's BW can hold its own against EU/Non-Korean. But people back then are much more solid than nowadays. Today you can do nothing, just stream you eating and still there are 20k watching you. You mean the difference between BW and LoL is that NA BW is so poor that people don't even IMAGINE NA to win against Koreans.... whereas for LoL people have the FALSE ILLUSION that an NA team can win.
NA scene really faded in popularity fast in BW. There hasn't been much serious stuff coming out of NA for a LONG time in BW as everyone who got really good went to Korea because there simply wasn't anything in NA. Europe had it better.
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On October 06 2012 10:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:49 Caphe wrote:On October 06 2012 10:45 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2012 10:21 QuakerOats wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 overt wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at Coming from a Quake/Halo/TF2 background the NA scene in Brood War/SC2/LoL/DotA makes me really sad. BW wasn't too bad, we had Nony and Idra! Lol, I hope that was sarcasm. No its actually true. NA's BW is not that bad. Since everybody can't beat Koreans, thats where the word foreigners come from. NA's BW can hold its own against EU/Non-Korean. But people back then are much more solid than nowadays. Today you can do nothing, just stream you eating and still there are 20k watching you. You mean the difference between BW and LoL is that NA BW is so poor that people don't even IMAGINE NA to win against Koreans.... whereas for LoL people have the FALSE ILLUSION that an NA team can win.
What I meant is in SC:BW foreigners know there place and never even think that they can beat Koreans. NA's can compete witch non-Koreans.
Back in the day, noone in their right mind would ever think about competing with the Koreans. Thats when the word foreigners born.
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On October 06 2012 10:52 1ntrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:47 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:45 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2012 10:21 QuakerOats wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 overt wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at Coming from a Quake/Halo/TF2 background the NA scene in Brood War/SC2/LoL/DotA makes me really sad. BW wasn't too bad, we had Nony and Idra! Lol, I hope that was sarcasm. There were some pretty good American players, not only those two who were the last along with Assem. The difference wasn't as pronounced earlier in the scene but yes later it was just complete domination as Korea became increasingly structured and professionalized and everyone else didn't Is hindsight always this rosy? The NA scene had nothing on the Korean scene for the last 6-7 years of BW. Testie and others taking random games off Koreans at WCG don't amount to much. At least in LoL, the mechanical skill ceiling is lower so the difference won't be as pronounced. However, the teamwork within the truly professional Korean teams are unmatched by any team in NA.
How is it Rosy? Earlier in the BW scene the skill gap wasn't as pronounced as a Canadian won a star league and Elky from France was relevant in the Korean leagues. There were several standout nonkoreans. What happened? Korea developed a pro league with professional teams and houses and coaches etc which snowballed the advantage Koreans already had.
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On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue.
It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots.
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Predictions for tomorrow:
2 WE : CLG.eu 1
2 M5 : TPA 0
2 Frost : WE 1
Hoping for a WE domination but they meet Frost too early IMO and aren't versatile enough against such prepared opposition.
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On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots.
That is disingenuous to Koreans. Korean pros in BW had huge followings and fan bases outside of Korea so I don't think that is right at all.
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On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans.
You say that like inviting Koreans is a bad thing.
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On October 06 2012 10:57 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:
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Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots. Korean pros in BW had huge followings and fan bases outside of Korea so I don't think that is right at all.
Oh, you mean the 2000 hardcore koreaboos on TL? In all seriousness, there's a few koreans with a distinct personality that appeal to foreigners (ie. MC) but the vast majority of koreans just isn't very appealing to most foreigners that aren't hardcore followers of the korean scene.
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On October 06 2012 10:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. You say that like inviting Koreans is a bad thing.
If you read my earlier post, I was referring to the fact that korean dominance means that there are little to no americans that NA fans (= the viewers/fans MLG caters to) can root for
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On October 06 2012 10:21 Numy wrote:Only NA plays Halo and TF2 though?  Quake has rapha at least, what a beast that man is Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:21 ketchup wrote:
People saying DotA NA is any decent are seriously delusional. They are definitely the weakest region in DotA as well. Umm NA scene did "better" than EU did at TI2 aside from Navi. They also have more upcoming teams, well did before TI2 now EU picking it up a bit with M5 and Empire. At the top I wouldn't say they weakest, lower down sure
Why are you putting Na'Vi aside they are European as European can get, plus the "american" teams in TI2 had european within them.
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On October 06 2012 10:57 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:
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Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots. That is disingenuous to Koreans. Korean pros in BW had huge followings and fan bases outside of Korea so I don't think that is right at all.
Yes, but pretty anyone who followed korean BW is fairly hardcore. Although to be honest, I doubt there are any casual SC2 fans left. We pretty much know the ceiling for SC2 and I don't believe its gonna change that much. I know this is pretty shitty on my part, but part of the reason I stopped SC2 was that I just didn't care about half of the koreans anymore.
Personally, I think LOL is gonna hit a ceiling in the west soon as well. I am genuinely curious if Riot's separate region can keep casual western interest alive.
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On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots.
Why is it so bad to have region only tournaments?? We need tournaments where NA/EU/KR can both compete and have a reasonable chance of winning something otherwise the scene that's winning will only get stronger while the others get weaker.
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On October 06 2012 11:00 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:57 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:
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Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far).
This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots. Korean pros in BW had huge followings and fan bases outside of Korea so I don't think that is right at all. Oh, you mean the 2000 hardcore koreaboos on TL? In all seriousness, there's a few koreans with a distinct personality that appeal to foreigners (ie. MC) but the vast majority of koreans just isn't very appealing to most foreigners that aren't hardcore followers of the korean scene.
I can't speak to the SC2 scene as I never followed it but in BW, yea they had a lot of appeal. I myself was a HUGE Yellow fan and the only time I gave any shits about SC2 was when he briefly played SC2. Now he coaches Xenics Storm LoL team so I support them XD
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On October 06 2012 11:03 Killcani wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:
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Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far). This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots. Why is it so bad to have region only tournaments?? We need tournaments where NA/EU/KR can both compete and have a reasonable chance of winning something otherwise the scene that's winning will only get stronger while the others get weaker.
I was talking about MLG. An NA only MLG would have an absolutely laughable level of competition, nobody would watch that
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On October 06 2012 11:00 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:57 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:
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Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far).
This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots. Korean pros in BW had huge followings and fan bases outside of Korea so I don't think that is right at all. Oh, you mean the 2000 hardcore koreaboos on TL? In all seriousness, there's a few koreans with a distinct personality that appeal to foreigners (ie. MC) but the vast majority of koreans just isn't very appealing to most foreigners that aren't hardcore followers of the korean scene.
Have you ever been to an MLG? I didn't get that impression personally.
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I am pretty sure anyone posting on TL counts as a hardcore gamer to be honest.
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On October 06 2012 11:05 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 11:03 Killcani wrote:On October 06 2012 10:55 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:52 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:49 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:47 Azarkon wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:
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Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far).
This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game. I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team. Don't be so harsh, it's not like all of the NA viewers stopped watching DotA after the first Day of the main event at TI2. They're not going to stop watching LoL tommorow either now that all the NA teams are gone NA can also always USA USA behind M5/Na'Vi/Stephano One tournament, shure but long-term it becomes a problem. I'm not shure if most people are still going to watch MLG in a year or two when every tournament is 90% koreans. It isn't a problem when your tournament structure is region vs. region vs. region vs. region, which is where tournaments are moving towards. The way Dota and LoL run their tournaments you won't ever have a tournament with 90% Koreans. I was obviously referring to the other case ie. MLG. MLG is in a pretty bad spot because they can't just stop inviting koreans. Yeah, well, that's MLG's - and Kespa's - problem. A lot of us did speak out against having a region stacking format but the naysayers just told us that 'nobody cares about region; people watch for the best players.' Provided they are correct, then MLG has no issue. It's just a very bad situation to be in. A competition without koreans is not going to have any integrity but with koreans your playerpool is going to be 90% unmarketable, uncharismatic robots. Why is it so bad to have region only tournaments?? We need tournaments where NA/EU/KR can both compete and have a reasonable chance of winning something otherwise the scene that's winning will only get stronger while the others get weaker. I was talking about MLG. An NA only MLG would have an absolutely laughable level of competition, nobody would watch that
Why wouldn't they? All the NA teams have large fan bases so of course they would come out to support/watch them.
On October 06 2012 11:06 AUGcodon wrote:
I am pretty sure anyone posting on TL counts as a hardcore gamer to be honest.
I am pretty much as casual as you can get. I only play LoL and only sparingly 
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well this sucks. i wanted NA to get a win.
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