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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 06 2012 01:37 GMT
#7061
TSM needs to hire Reach as a coach
Administrator@TL_Zess
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GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
October 06 2012 01:37 GMT
#7062
On October 06 2012 10:34 Canucklehead wrote:
Is rapid star really mvp's brother or was that a troll post I read earlier? They do kind of look similar and have same last name, but same last name doesn't mean much in korea.

No mention by either MVP or rapidstar of a brother in other esports and no real proof.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 06 2012 01:37 GMT
#7063
On October 06 2012 10:34 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.

The korean scene has been dominant since a long time now, only CLG.NA refused to see that. But M5 and CLG.EU have always been up there, with TSM not so far behind. CLG.EU getting 2nd at OGN, winning Naijin sword and stomping 2-0 frost mean what ?

CLG.NA was the first NA team to go to Korea and discover how good they were. When they told NA teams here some (TSM) just put it on CLG being not that strong. If you listen to Doublelift and Saintvicious they have tons of respect for the Koreans.
RealQ
Profile Joined March 2011
1120 Posts
October 06 2012 01:37 GMT
#7064
On October 06 2012 10:34 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.

The korean scene has been dominant since a long time now, only CLG.NA refused to see that. But M5 and CLG.EU have always been up there, with TSM not so far behind. CLG.EU getting 2nd at OGN, winning Naijin sword and stomping 2-0 frost mean what ?



Like i said, it will get worse. lol hasnt been popular for long in KR.

i predicted half a year ago when auctually TSM and M5 were on top of their regions that within time KR would come and take all our monies. That will start to happen now, the Korean mentality of approaching the game will snowball KR vs Foreigners into a lead so big that Foreigners will /FF at 20.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
October 06 2012 01:38 GMT
#7065
On October 06 2012 10:36 Azarkon wrote:
I think the results are quite even thus far between the very top EU / NA and Asian teams.

First match: Europe 2-0 China
Second match: Taiwan 2-0 Korea
Third match: Korea 2-0 North America

Relax.


i like how NA supporters always group EU with them into "NA/EU" when the sentiment is not at all returned by EU people lol
TranslatorBaa!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 06 2012 01:39 GMT
#7066
On October 06 2012 10:35 King K. Rool wrote:
? not sure why everyone flames NA teams so hard.

TSM put up a pretty exciting fight.

Cos NA scene was kind of arrogant going into this. TSM betting on Dig to get out of group play. CLG.NA didn't even practice before the 2 millions dollar.
But most importantly, how hard they ALL get smashed 1-7 in total. NA teams can even beat SAJ which considered to be the worst coming into this tourney. Also, the way they lost as well, most games are just one side stomped from Asian teams.
Terran
henrikyo
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway755 Posts
October 06 2012 01:39 GMT
#7067
On October 06 2012 10:36 Pathos wrote:
NA teams got to the top too easily, so it doesn't mean anything to them. They were a joke in season 1 and they will continue to be a joke in season 3, they can still enjoy their stream revenue. They're still going to use all of their remaining power to keep down up and coming NA teams.

This.

TSM and CLG etc, had a easy start to get famous with MLG and stuff. With almost no europe teams coming to the events, let alone korean teams.

Fanbases were made etc. Kinda funny how the same happened in sc2. we had the gods of sc2 from na at mlg events, then suddenly koreans came to mlg events and it was koreans 1-8.

I just feel NA teams are riding the past. Yes the won alot of tourneys, but how was the competion back then?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 06 2012 01:39 GMT
#7068
On October 06 2012 10:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:36 Azarkon wrote:
I think the results are quite even thus far between the very top EU / NA and Asian teams.

First match: Europe 2-0 China
Second match: Taiwan 2-0 Korea
Third match: Korea 2-0 North America

Relax.


i like how NA supporters always group EU with them into "NA/EU" when the sentiment is not at all returned by EU people lol




Okay, so NA is bad at video games. Too bad we still make all of the games you play
AUGcodon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada536 Posts
October 06 2012 01:39 GMT
#7069
Just Think about the first Starcraft MLG with Koreans in it. Koreans grabbed top3, then the next one they had like what top 5/6? The same thing is gonna happen to LOL.
2809-8732-2116/ Fighting/ Mienfoo, Tyrogue, Sawk
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
October 06 2012 01:39 GMT
#7070
On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.


Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks


Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far).

This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game.
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
October 06 2012 01:39 GMT
#7071
clg na obviously best na team only one to win 1 game rofl, would have won more but purple side op
Ryler
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovenia370 Posts
October 06 2012 01:40 GMT
#7072
Atleast the personal skill gap isn't that high in the game, so if people get their shit together and stop soloqing for them twitch/own3d moneyz the gap should be(I guess already is, proven by M5 and CLG.eu) alot lower than in other popular games these days.
"Use the force Harry." -Gandalf
henrikyo
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway755 Posts
October 06 2012 01:40 GMT
#7073
On October 06 2012 10:37 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:34 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.

The korean scene has been dominant since a long time now, only CLG.NA refused to see that. But M5 and CLG.EU have always been up there, with TSM not so far behind. CLG.EU getting 2nd at OGN, winning Naijin sword and stomping 2-0 frost mean what ?

CLG.NA was the first NA team to go to Korea and discover how good they were. When they told NA teams here some (TSM) just put it on CLG being not that strong. If you listen to Doublelift and Saintvicious they have tons of respect for the Koreans.

I guess thats why clg said korean teams are trash.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:43:43
October 06 2012 01:40 GMT
#7074
On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.


Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks


Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far).

This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game.

I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team.

If CLG.NA and Dignitas put on a performance like this, then how will NA qualifiers 4-8 fare? Especially given that the unqualified Korean teams (Blaze, Storm) are just as good as the ones that came?
Moderator
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
October 06 2012 01:41 GMT
#7075
On October 06 2012 10:40 Ryler wrote:
Atleast the personal skill gap isn't that high in the game


?

It's harder to gauge for the duo lanes since it's also more complex, but the amount of solo outplays we saw in mid/top by Asians were pretty convincing.
TranslatorBaa!
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 06 2012 01:41 GMT
#7076
On October 06 2012 10:40 henrikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:37 Slow Motion wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:34 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.

The korean scene has been dominant since a long time now, only CLG.NA refused to see that. But M5 and CLG.EU have always been up there, with TSM not so far behind. CLG.EU getting 2nd at OGN, winning Naijin sword and stomping 2-0 frost mean what ?

CLG.NA was the first NA team to go to Korea and discover how good they were. When they told NA teams here some (TSM) just put it on CLG being not that strong. If you listen to Doublelift and Saintvicious they have tons of respect for the Koreans.

I guess thats why clg said korean teams are trash.


They didn't? Unless you are taking doublelift trashtalk seriously
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#7077
Asians gonna dominate LoL in the future. At least they gonna dominate NA players. Not surprising.
henrikyo
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway755 Posts
October 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#7078
On October 06 2012 10:39 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:36 Azarkon wrote:
I think the results are quite even thus far between the very top EU / NA and Asian teams.

First match: Europe 2-0 China
Second match: Taiwan 2-0 Korea
Third match: Korea 2-0 North America

Relax.


i like how NA supporters always group EU with them into "NA/EU" when the sentiment is not at all returned by EU people lol




Okay, so NA is bad at video games. Too bad we still make all of the games you play

You make the games but you still suck?

GG.

Nice comeback btw.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#7079
On October 06 2012 10:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:39 nojitosunrise wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:33 CROrens wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote:
Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between
NA/EU and KR is gonna be.


Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks


Season 3 is region locked for the most part (according to what has been revealed thus far).

This allows each region to remain popular and interested in the game.

I'm not sure how popular and interested NA viewers will remain when their home teams lose in 20 minutes to every notable EU/Asian team.


People in the US still seem to watch starcraft. Although to be honest I doubt how much longer that is going to last.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 06 2012 01:43 GMT
#7080
On October 06 2012 10:36 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:32 Caphe wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:24 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:21 Caphe wrote:
Waje up people that really think TSM got a chance in this tourney. Even after yesterday there are alot of people still put TSM in the top 3 teams lol.
TSM would have been eliminated in group if they were in there. Just look at how bad their top 2 opponents did in group play, you can evaluate TSM's real power from that.

NA is far behind the rest of the world, maybe ahead of South America? if there is any team there. They can't even compete with SEA teams(both SAJ and TPA are in the Garena Pro League, which is one of the few tournies that SEA has)

Are you serious ? They lost a bo3 against Azubu Frost, arguably the best lol team at the moment. You're saying TSM couldn't have beaten clg.na, dignitas, SK, WE, Saigon Jokers ?

See, you still delusional, even after this.
Lets say you take SK out of group A and put TSM in there. Do you really think TSM can beat Frost and iG to get out of group A?
Lets say you take Dig out of group B and put TSM in there. Do you really think TSM can beat Najin and CLG.eu or even Saigon Jokers(given how hard SAJ stomped Dig, I would give SAJ a really good chance of beating TSM).

Imo, NA teams will just stay bad. Why? Because stream soloQ 10 hours a day bring them enough profit to get them going. There are so much tourney that only available to them, so no Korean/Asians team can come and take their prize. They can just stay bad playing each other and make still make money.


Last time TSM played CLGeu they beat them in 2 Bo3s so yea they would of had a shot.

lol, this CLG.eu has transformed. They were just in the OGN Summer tournament where most team are Koreans and Chinese and they nearly take the champion. And you think TSM can take on current CLG.eu? Not in a million years imo.
Terran
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