EPT[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 353
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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance. Fair warning to all. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Spuick
Norway357 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:28 henrikyo wrote: Again, USA never had great sucess in FPS. Yes they had some sucess early in CS, but that was mostly due to lack of good teams. When SK was good, they won everything. Fnatic Navi etc etc dominated NA, isnt it weird that 3D just jumped to source because they got raped? Dunno. Then we have Fatality, which is like how a "pro gamer" should be. Takes it seriously and practice alot. However, he was dominated in painkiller by voo and others (expect grand finals) and in quake 4 by cooler and a swede. I just feel americans have this laid back attitude and still being cocky. ant it just looks stupid when they loose all the time. to get some actual numbers in on this: http://www.hltv.org/blog/5446-country-rankings-2000-2011 | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
1. Don't let them have skarner. Actually in general, why give any team skarner? To make an engage happen out of nothing is plain dumb not to mention his speed and tankyness. 2. Be ready to defend your jungle early, so many western have the mindset of "but... aren't we still in laning phase? I dont know what to do, why would they ward my jungle so early? WTF *dies horribly to facechecks*". 3. Individual skill; they're just better. Better mechanics, better gamesense. So much for solo queue grinding I guess? | ||
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:26 Slaughter wrote: They had a period when they won WCG world championships/placed high in most tournies (forget the name of the one team and the game though). Again, 3D and complexity dominated early before the big teams from europe came and from asia. Then we never saw them again. That is what happening in LoL also. CLG was great 1 year ago, not anymore. | ||
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RealQ
1120 Posts
NA/EU and KR is gonna be. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:24 WhiteDog wrote: Are you serious ? They lost a bo3 against Azubu Frost, arguably the best lol team at the moment. You're saying TSM couldn't have beaten clg.na, dignitas, SK, WE, Saigon Jokers ? See, you still delusional, even after this. Lets say you take SK out of group A and put TSM in there. Do you really think TSM can beat Frost and iG to get out of group A? Lets say you take Dig out of group B and put TSM in there. Do you really think TSM can beat Najin and CLG.eu or even Saigon Jokers(given how hard SAJ stomped Dig, I would give SAJ a really good chance of beating TSM). Imo, NA teams will just stay bad. Why? Because stream soloQ 10 hours a day bring them enough profit to get them going. There are so much tourney that only available to them, so no Korean/Asians team can come and take their prize. They can just stay bad playing each other and make still make money. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:28 Irave wrote: TSM practices nearly an equal amount as the Koreans. They were one of the first teams to push for a gaming house. They removed a player from the team for not wanting to dedicate an insane amount of practice. People can bag on them for streaming semi frequently. They need to support themselves with the funding from that because of lack of sponsors. Whenever a larger tournament is coming up, they halt their stream sessions. They scrim quite frequently, with other NA/EU teams. They're near the ceiling of what they are allowed to train. Practicing on the Asian serves would be a waste of time, with the ping. I'm sad that they lost, but don't fault it on practice. Nobody here is surprised that the Koreans have taken over. Practice doesn't just mean playing and scrimming a lot. It is about a systematic, strategic approach to improving. I see how much they stream solo queue and the results at the tourny speak to that. Your post makes it sound like you think the Koreans are just inherently better, which is false. They work harder and take it more seriously. If TSM or other NA teams want to be taken more seriously then they need to get more serious about the game. | ||
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CROrens
Croatia1005 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote: Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between NA/EU and KR is gonna be. Until it reaches the point where non Korean teams become "foreign" and you got separate tourneys for Korea and the rest of the world. We are witnessing history folks | ||
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:30 Spuick wrote: to get some actual numbers in on this: http://www.hltv.org/blog/5446-country-rankings-2000-2011 wow, i didnt know it was that bad. wow. thanks for that link, interesseting numbers, especially since usa dominated early 2000. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:31 RealQ wrote: Also. its gonna get worse, this is just the start of Asian domination in lol, the bigger it gets in korea the bigger the gap between NA/EU and KR is gonna be. The korean scene has been dominant since a long time now, only CLG.NA refused to see that. But M5 and CLG.EU have always been up there, with TSM not so far behind. CLG.EU getting 2nd at OGN, winning Naijin sword and stomping 2-0 frost mean what ? | ||
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:33 petered wrote: Practice doesn't just mean playing and scrimming a lot. It is about a systematic, strategic approach to improving. I see how much they stream solo queue and the results at the tourny speak to that. Your post makes it sound like you think the Koreans are just inherently better, which is false. They work harder and take it more seriously. If TSM or other NA teams want to be taken more seriously then they need to get more serious about the game. This so much. I agree completly. If NA teams just took it more seriously and played together more, to be better as a team, and understanding each other, and developing new tactics, they would have done better. Instead they are more interessted in streaming solo queue and fucking around | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
TSM put up a pretty exciting fight. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:32 Caphe wrote: See, you still delusional, even after this. Lets say you take SK out of group A and put TSM in there. Do you really think TSM can beat Frost and iG to get out of group A? Lets say you take Dig out of group B and put TSM in there. Do you really think TSM can beat Najin and CLG.eu or even Saigon Jokers(given how hard SAJ stomped Dig, I would give SAJ a really good chance of beating TSM). Imo, NA teams will just stay bad. Why? Because stream soloQ 10 hours a day bring them enough profit to get them going. There are so much tourney that only available to them, so no Korean/Asians team can come and take their prize. They can just stay bad playing each other and make still make money. Last time TSM played CLGeu they beat them in 2 Bo3s so yea they would of had a shot. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:35 King K. Rool wrote: ? not sure why everyone flames NA teams so hard. TSM put up a pretty exciting fight. Because supporting TSM is hipster | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
First match: Europe 2-0 China Second match: Taiwan 2-0 Korea Third match: Korea 2-0 North America Relax. | ||
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Pathos
United States94 Posts
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