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On October 06 2012 10:22 henrikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at if you talk about games like quake, painkiller, counter strike etc they have been dominated by swedes mostly or scandinavia, sk, nip, fnatic. usa doesnt even have a good team anymore. now its dominated by poland and ukrania. holland dominated painkiller. etc etc etc. So no, NA havnt dominated fps
They had a period when they won WCG world championships/placed high in most tournies (forget the name of the one team and the game though).
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On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually.
It's kind of ironic, because with stuff like MLG, NA probably has the most money and infrastructure out of all the regions these days.
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On October 06 2012 10:25 TheSinisterRed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:23 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 WhiteDog wrote:On October 06 2012 10:18 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:14 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't really understand people. Did we watch the same game ? TSM showed good play, Azubu just had better strategy overall, the split push completly let TSM behind, they're too fast, can disengage whenever they want. They got Outplayed in every sense of the word. It wasnt even close. having a 3k lead at 7;40 and losing that game is just bad. Whatever, the gold lead is not the beginning and the end of lol. They still won some team fight, made good calls, they showed they had some skill. Nope. Azubu did everything better. To me this was a huge stomp, that was easily to predict tho. Be ready for the Korean/Asian domination in LOL. Did you miss the first game where TSM was down 10k and still pulling even in teamfights? Their decision making isn't the best when it comes to following up on an early lead, but to say Azubu did Everything better is a little much.
And being like what 6 turrets behind?
Theres no use for winning teamfights if all your turrets are going down constantly.
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sad for NA oh well. go frost. im looking for a frost vs m5 final
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On October 06 2012 10:25 TheSinisterRed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:23 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 WhiteDog wrote:On October 06 2012 10:18 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:14 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't really understand people. Did we watch the same game ? TSM showed good play, Azubu just had better strategy overall, the split push completly let TSM behind, they're too fast, can disengage whenever they want. They got Outplayed in every sense of the word. It wasnt even close. having a 3k lead at 7;40 and losing that game is just bad. Whatever, the gold lead is not the beginning and the end of lol. They still won some team fight, made good calls, they showed they had some skill. Nope. Azubu did everything better. To me this was a huge stomp, that was easily to predict tho. Be ready for the Korean/Asian domination in LOL. Did you miss the first game where TSM was down 10k and still pulling even in teamfights? Their decision making isn't the best when it comes to following up on an early lead, but to say Azubu did Everything better is a little much.
They had a teamfight comp vs poke comp. Frost wasn't supposed to win any teamfights, they were supposed to take towers, inhibs, and disengage. It was a little sloppy and TSM had a few good engages but overall Frost executed their gameplan solidly.
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On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually.
another way to put it is for the NA teams right now LoL is a video game hobby that they are making good money out of streaming/playing atm. For the koreans etc its a job, thus the mentality and way of practice along with discipline is completely different.
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On October 06 2012 10:23 Ryler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:21 ketchup wrote:
People saying DotA NA is any decent are seriously delusional. They are definitely the weakest region in DotA as well. well it's closer there atleast, but now with the big patch and all the shifts after TI2, we'll see in a couple of months.
Yes, that's true. There's definitely some changes upcoming from the developers to promote more aggressive game play, but it's not fully about game play. There's a lot to be said about how dedicated and serious the other regions are about practicing. NA teams, no matter which game, have yet to reproduce the training environment the other regions seem to be able to do.
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On October 06 2012 10:26 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:25 TheSinisterRed wrote:On October 06 2012 10:23 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 WhiteDog wrote:On October 06 2012 10:18 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:14 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't really understand people. Did we watch the same game ? TSM showed good play, Azubu just had better strategy overall, the split push completly let TSM behind, they're too fast, can disengage whenever they want. They got Outplayed in every sense of the word. It wasnt even close. having a 3k lead at 7;40 and losing that game is just bad. Whatever, the gold lead is not the beginning and the end of lol. They still won some team fight, made good calls, they showed they had some skill. Nope. Azubu did everything better. To me this was a huge stomp, that was easily to predict tho. Be ready for the Korean/Asian domination in LOL. Did you miss the first game where TSM was down 10k and still pulling even in teamfights? Their decision making isn't the best when it comes to following up on an early lead, but to say Azubu did Everything better is a little much. And being like what 6 turrets behind? Theres no use for winning teamfights if all your turrets are going down constantly.
It still shows you can do something.
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On October 06 2012 10:26 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually. It's kind of ironic, because with stuff like MLG, NA probably has the most money and infrastructure out of all the regions these days.
practice/preparation side, not competition
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On October 06 2012 10:25 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:22 Paraiba wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 udgnim wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 cvt wrote:
Starcraft community knew that the Koreans would absolutely stomp TSM.
Weird... it's like Koreans are just better at video games.............................. superior mindset and approach Korean practice. US mindset when it comes to this is absolutely pathetic. Also Dyrus is really bad now, he just doesnt enjoy the game anymore.
he obviously doesnt give a shit. Frost tearing down his base he spams dance. srsly wtf, you play for 2mil dollars and you fuck around.
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On October 06 2012 10:21 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:19 overt wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at Coming from a Quake/Halo/TF2 background the NA scene in Brood War/SC2/LoL/DotA makes me really sad. BW wasn't too bad, we had Nony and Idra!
- being the best foreigner in BW is like being the best student in the special ed class (idra, paraphrased) :p
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On October 06 2012 10:22 Paraiba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:20 udgnim wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 cvt wrote:
Starcraft community knew that the Koreans would absolutely stomp TSM.
Weird... it's like Koreans are just better at video games.............................. superior mindset and approach Korean practice.
TSM practices nearly an equal amount as the Koreans. They were one of the first teams to push for a gaming house. They removed a player from the team for not wanting to dedicate an insane amount of practice. People can bag on them for streaming semi frequently. They need to support themselves with the funding from that because of lack of sponsors. Whenever a larger tournament is coming up, they halt their stream sessions. They scrim quite frequently, with other NA/EU teams. They're near the ceiling of what they are allowed to train. Practicing on the Asian serves would be a waste of time, with the ping.
I'm sad that they lost, but don't fault it on practice. Nobody here is surprised that the Koreans have taken over.
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On October 06 2012 10:26 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually. It's kind of ironic, because with stuff like MLG, NA probably has the most money and infrastructure out of all the regions these days.
So its about "liking"
No, its all about mindset and practice, like the koreans do. and to a lesser extent the europeans i guess.
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On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually.
Again, USA never had great sucess in FPS.
Yes they had some sucess early in CS, but that was mostly due to lack of good teams.
When SK was good, they won everything.
Fnatic
Navi
etc etc dominated NA, isnt it weird that 3D just jumped to source because they got raped? Dunno.
Then we have Fatality, which is like how a "pro gamer" should be. Takes it seriously and practice alot. However, he was dominated in painkiller by voo and others (expect grand finals) and in quake 4 by cooler and a swede. I just feel americans have this laid back attitude and still being cocky. ant it just looks stupid when they loose all the time.
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On October 06 2012 10:26 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:25 TheSinisterRed wrote:On October 06 2012 10:23 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 WhiteDog wrote:On October 06 2012 10:18 RealQ wrote:On October 06 2012 10:14 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't really understand people. Did we watch the same game ? TSM showed good play, Azubu just had better strategy overall, the split push completly let TSM behind, they're too fast, can disengage whenever they want. They got Outplayed in every sense of the word. It wasnt even close. having a 3k lead at 7;40 and losing that game is just bad. Whatever, the gold lead is not the beginning and the end of lol. They still won some team fight, made good calls, they showed they had some skill. Nope. Azubu did everything better. To me this was a huge stomp, that was easily to predict tho. Be ready for the Korean/Asian domination in LOL. Did you miss the first game where TSM was down 10k and still pulling even in teamfights? Their decision making isn't the best when it comes to following up on an early lead, but to say Azubu did Everything better is a little much. And being like what 6 turrets behind? Theres no use for winning teamfights if all your turrets are going down constantly.
frost had pokecomp, ofc they lose the fights when lux/MF screw up and get engaged on, doesnt take genius play from TSM to do so.
Still, it worked. TSM got 1 tower and lost all of theirs.
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What NA needs is a manager who's willing to crack the whip. I remember Liquid saying that when they move into Curse gaming house they are gonna have a Korean-style training regimen. What ever happened to that? How many drinking parties do you think NA teams have compared to Korean teams?
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On October 06 2012 10:26 Shivaz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually. another way to put it is for the NA teams right now LoL is a video game hobby that they are making good money out of streaming/playing atm. For the koreans etc its a job, thus the mentality and way of practice along with discipline is completely different.
Yep thats the "professionalization" part. In NA its really seen as a diversion, temporary little side quest in life before they enter the real world with some interesting experience.
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On October 06 2012 10:25 TheYango wrote:
I really want to see a TPA vs. Frost finals, not because of any ill will toward M5/CLG.EU/WE, but because Lilballz vs. CloudTemplar in the jungle would be absolutely mind-blowing.
I guess this too since no PDD vs Mahnoon Top Showdown
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On October 06 2012 10:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:26 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:24 Slaughter wrote:On October 06 2012 10:20 scarper65 wrote:
It's fascinating just how bad American teams are in just about every esport. I wouldn't go so far as to say this. US teams lack infrastructure and just overall professionalization of their epsorts. Its almost like NA teams are amateurs competing against pros when you look at how the scenes are run. Even then NA has produced several stand out players/teams (and I don't really see how TSM 0-2 vs Frost shows OMG NA SUCKS as the games were NOT stomps). The one game type that was competitive that NA scene "liked" IE FPS they had great success actually. It's kind of ironic, because with stuff like MLG, NA probably has the most money and infrastructure out of all the regions these days. practice/preparation side, not competition
I know, I'm just saying NA theoretically has the most resources yet they don't make much out of it.
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On October 06 2012 10:24 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:22 henrikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 Woony wrote:On October 06 2012 10:17 overt wrote:
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.
Still jiji fanboy.
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asian girls fucking hot let's be honest, FPS games the only thing NA has ever been good at if you talk about games like quake, painkiller, counter strike etc they have been dominated by swedes mostly or scandinavia, sk, nip, fnatic. usa doesnt even have a good team anymore. now its dominated by poland and ukrania. holland dominated painkiller. etc etc etc. So no, NA havnt dominated fps I didn't say that they dominated, just that they could compete at the top
Sorry. But again, they could briefly. But after the good europe scene was established they rarely won anything.
Expect NoA, which was a merger between norwegians and two from na.
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