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On August 27 2012 09:55 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:39 mint_julep wrote:On August 27 2012 09:30 SoraLimit wrote: Why is everyone saying it's due to the ARAM game? If that was the case, I'm pretty sure the officials would have stopped it waayy before the game started, and had a proper game. How in the fuck would "the officials" know about this "wayy" before the game started? Did you watch the cast and see how awkward the commentators were? Do you think that Dignitas went up to the admins "wayy" before the game and said "Hey, we've agreed to not play a real competitive game for your finals. We're going to BS around instead. Sound good?" More importantly why in god's name would you think that the last 4 games of the tournament were elaborate "mock games" intending curse to win, and the ARAM was not the issue? Have you heard of Occam's razor? Use it. They OVERHEARD them. My Occam's razor is a Fusion Power.
The officials did not overhear them. Other people did and officials went to investigate.
Also, whatever the fuck your fusion power reference means.
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On August 27 2012 10:07 nojitosunrise wrote: You know what really bothers me when individuals get caught match fixing/prize splitting?
What is stopping them from doing this is other tournaments? If they are willing to do it for one tournament, why won't they do it for bigger tournaments?
With millions and millions of dollars on the line in season 2 and 3....I am very very skeptical about the "integrity" of future LoL matches.
First, it has absolutely nothing to do with LoL. Teams, and people in general for every game, just need to realize that pot splitting (worse games as a result) is detrimental to their scene as a whole and the tournament they've entered. Now, numerous splits happen at tournaments all around the country for various games and competitions. It's expected, really. The difference being that those are usually small events where spectators are there for free and also usually made up of competitors themselves after they've been eliminated. People go to those to compete themselves and have a good time.
In larger events that are broadcast to people who've paid money and those in person, then you're robbing the spectators and damaging the event's image. But like I stated right off of the bat, this is not a LoL thing, but a competitive gaming thing in general.
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Holy christwagons, so much stupidity in one thread. That's just scary
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Since MLG gave prize money to the 3rd and 4th teams what did they do about circuit points? Because if they gave circuit points from 1st/2nd to 3rd/4th shouldn't oRb be the #8 spot at the regionals instead of mMe?
The 3rd and 4th Place teams will receive the prize money and Circuit Points they have earned, and all other results stand. No 1st or 2nd Place will be awarded for this event.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/an-important-message-regarding-mlg-summer-championship-league-of-legends/
If oRb gets 2nd place circuit points mMe shouldn't be going to regionals and oRb might even become the 7th seed?
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On August 27 2012 10:02 jgoonld wrote:I'm actually unsure about how this has anything to do with this situation.
LoL doesn't deserve to be an esport. It's a casual game that isn't even taken seriously by it's competitor at top level. Dota 2 would be a much better replacement then this casual crap.
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Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit I wouldn't miss LoL if they got rid of it from MLG though, DOTA2 is clearly the better competitive title even if LoL is more fun casually
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On August 27 2012 10:08 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:05 ReachTheSky wrote:On August 27 2012 10:01 Node wrote:On August 27 2012 09:56 ReachTheSky wrote: All they have proof of is them wanting to split the prize. That doesn't mean they threw games or conspired to fix the match. What people do with prize money is up to them. I don't see how these teams are in the wrong.
o, aram. i get it now. Yeah that is pretty bad actually. yeah i would dq them also It's been stated that the ARAM didn't actually matter (the game could still go either way) -- it's the splitting the prize money that's specifically against the rules. So, yes, both teams are in the wrong. Can't believe my two favorite NA teams were idiotic enough to do this. Totally blows my mind. Why, Scarra? T_T ahhhh gotcha. I still don't see how that affects any aspect of their tournament. Both teams still played to win. I think that rule should be removed. No way that is completely false. If they split the prize money, then they aren't playing to win... They don't care about the results... Have you ever heard of pride?
If you give me the choice between being first or second I'm going to say I want to be 1st every time regardless if I dont make any more money.
This happens all the time in competitive magic and no one cares. It was a close as hell Bo5 that was really close and entertaining... I was entertained, what difference does it make if team X gets paid more than team Y or if they both split the money? All prize spliting does is ensure more people can make a stable living off of doing what they love. How is that a bad thing?
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On August 27 2012 10:07 nojitosunrise wrote: With millions and millions of dollars on the line in season 2 and 3....I am very very skeptical about the "integrity" of future LoL matches.
Is anyone stupid enough to leave hundreds of thousands on a verbal agreement? Also I'm pretty sure usually at least on of the teams is convinced that they are better than the other.
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On August 27 2012 10:05 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:01 Node wrote:On August 27 2012 09:56 ReachTheSky wrote: All they have proof of is them wanting to split the prize. That doesn't mean they threw games or conspired to fix the match. What people do with prize money is up to them. I don't see how these teams are in the wrong.
o, aram. i get it now. Yeah that is pretty bad actually. yeah i would dq them also It's been stated that the ARAM didn't actually matter (the game could still go either way) -- it's the splitting the prize money that's specifically against the rules. So, yes, both teams are in the wrong. Can't believe my two favorite NA teams were idiotic enough to do this. Totally blows my mind. Why, Scarra? T_T ahhhh gotcha. I still don't see how that affects any aspect of their tournament. Both teams still played to win. I think that rule should be removed.
Are you dead serious? You really think a team that is willing to split the prize money is going to give a shit about the games they are playing? They already know they are getting their payday, so why even bother?
It is dishonest, goes against the spirit of competition and shows that they are willing to game the system to get more money, rather than compete for it.
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i dont understand why they would agree to split the money and play arams.
saying 'they didnt want to show their strats for next week' is insane. they could have just played standard champ comps and gone at it. they didnt have to make a mockery of the event like they did.
curse and dig are my 2 favorite teams and its really quite disappointing they thought this was a good idea.
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On August 27 2012 10:11 Phemtos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:02 jgoonld wrote:I'm actually unsure about how this has anything to do with this situation. LoL doesn't deserve to be an esport. It's a casual game that isn't even taken seriously by it's competitor at top level. Dota 2 would be a much better replacement then this casual crap. also Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit I wouldn't miss LoL if they got rid of it from MLG though, DOTA2 is clearly the better competitive title even if LoL is more fun casually Competitive Minesweeper would deserve to be an "esport" if enough people decided they want to watch it. You don't get to decide what is crap or not crap for the entire market of consumers.
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agreed with MLG's decision
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Curse and Dignitas must be kicking themselves in the face right now...
Absolutely horrible decision and they deserve whatever punishment the mighty hammer of Justice wreaks down upon them.
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MLG and Riot have made the correct decision here. Quite frankly, there is nothing left worth talking about.
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On August 27 2012 10:07 nojitosunrise wrote: You know what really bothers me when individuals get caught match fixing/prize splitting?
What is stopping them from doing this is other tournaments? If they are willing to do it for one tournament, why won't they do it for bigger tournaments?
With millions and millions of dollars on the line in season 2 and 3....I am very very skeptical about the "integrity" of future LoL matches.
It's a possibility that Savior and other players have shown before. Honestly the players have to keep the spirit of the competition on their minds and do the right thing, but before Season 3 even starts we have this stupid mess. The fact it even happened is now up to MLG/Riot to decide if they need to set an example for their future. It's just something stupid they've done and I frankly won't follow Dig/Curse in their future tournaments, because they gave up their chance at first place and didn't show their spirit to win legitimately
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On August 27 2012 10:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: MLG and Riot have made the correct decision here. Quite frankly, there is nothing left worth talking about. Somehow there are people who think that MLG are in the wrong over this, don't ask me how but from what I've read there is.
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Hm, Saint said "allegations". Seems like they haven't admitted to the matchfixing yet, regardless of what tweets have been saying. I'm waiting for the dignitas announcement.
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On August 27 2012 10:11 overt wrote:Since MLG gave prize money to the 3rd and 4th teams what did they do about circuit points? Because if they gave circuit points from 1st/2nd to 3rd/4th shouldn't oRb be the #8 spot at the regionals instead of mMe? Show nested quote +The 3rd and 4th Place teams will receive the prize money and Circuit Points they have earned, and all other results stand. No 1st or 2nd Place will be awarded for this event. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/an-important-message-regarding-mlg-summer-championship-league-of-legends/If oRb gets 2nd place circuit points mMe shouldn't be going to regionals and oRb might even become the 7th seed?
I think it means that the 3rd and 4th place teams will still receive points for 3rd and 4th. ("no 1st or 2nd place will be awarded") So Curse and Dig just won't get any points, everything else stays the same. I dunno how that would affect the standings, though.
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On August 27 2012 10:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: MLG and Riot have made the correct decision here. Quite frankly, there is nothing left worth talking about.
Does anyone know yet though what's going to happen to final regional spot? If MLG is giving circuit points to 3rd/4th place teams as they said they would it changes up who gets to go to regionals.
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