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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:11 Badboyrune wrote: Holy christwagons, so much stupidity in one thread. That's just scary I agree lol, LoL forums real terror. Overall, I just think this was a really dumb decision by both teams. Not much to say, looks pretty crystal clear and definitely the right decision by MLG and Riot. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:17 Sufficiency wrote: http://twitter.com/dscarra/status/239790940909367297 The irony. That tweet was from 7 hours ago. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:16 Celestial wrote: It's a possibility that Savior and other players have shown before. Honestly the players have to keep the spirit of the competition on their minds and do the right thing, but before Season 3 even starts we have this stupid mess. The fact it even happened is now up to MLG/Riot to decide if they need to set an example for their future. It's just something stupid they've done and I frankly won't follow Dig/Curse in their future tournaments, because they gave up their chance at first place and didn't show their spirit to win legitimately It's not only eSports. There was the big scandal involving pro tennis a couple of years ago too. Collusion and match fixing can happen almost anywhere. The only thing you can hope to do is have harsh enough penalties to dissuade people from doing it and instill enough pride in the competitors to always give it their best. edit: Also, that thread on the LoL forums that was linked is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Holy fuck, now I know why people think elo hell exists. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:17 overt wrote: Does anyone know yet though what's going to happen to final regional spot? If MLG is giving circuit points to 3rd/4th place teams as they said they would it changes up who gets to go to regionals. It could be messier if Riot chooses to reprimand Dig/Crs further. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
Thus the irony. | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
Im pretty sure that's where the irony come's in :D Also it was pretty clear they had already discussed about this sometime back, although im guessing it was after 7 hours ago that they even knew who was in the finals, cant say as I only watched the finals. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:19 nojitosunrise wrote: It could be messier if Riot chooses to reprimand Dig/Crs further. Yeah, they could receive S2 disqualifications. I can't say that I'd disagree with the decision behind it although it'd be a real shame to see the NA scene send a weaker third team if Dig/Crs were absent. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
That's what made the tweet ironic? | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:17 overt wrote: Does anyone know yet though what's going to happen to final regional spot? If MLG is giving circuit points to 3rd/4th place teams as they said they would it changes up who gets to go to regionals. Circuit Points will not be awarded for 1st and 2nd place Only 3rd and onwards. Prize Money however will be split between 3rd-8th place though. Also, RiotRedBeard, VP for ESports at Riot has confirmed both teams have admitted to collusion. End of story. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote: It's not only eSports. There was the big scandal involving pro tennis a couple of years ago too. Collusion and match fixing can happen almost anywhere. The only thing you can hope to do is have harsh enough penalties to dissuade people from doing it and instill enough pride in the competitors to always give it their best. edit: Also, that thread on the LoL forums that was linked is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Holy fuck, now I know why people think elo hell exists. There is no way the penalties MLG handed were enough. | ||
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mint_julep
United States254 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:17 HazMat wrote: Hm, Saint said "allegations". Seems like they haven't admitted to the matchfixing yet, regardless of what tweets have been saying. I'm waiting for the dignitas announcement. Are you serious? They apologized. Were they apologizing for "letting people down" by having been "alleged" to have something? It's an admission. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
"What the hell happened to the LOL tournament finals? That's just such a dumb situation. Where is the competitiveness?" I think that sums it up. It's competitive eSports - if you're just going to split the money, there's no competition. It'd be like if football teams split their points up so everyone had the same at the end of the season. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:17 Node wrote: I think it means that the 3rd and 4th place teams will still receive points for 3rd and 4th. ("no 1st or 2nd place will be awarded") So Curse and Dig just won't get any points, everything else stays the same. I dunno how that would affect the standings, though. I don't know what they can do with the "winnings" for 1st and 2nd place. There are really specific laws when it comes to cash prizes and what needs to happen if someone is disqualified. MLG might need to talk to a lawyer or two before they can decide exactly what they are willing to do. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:21 nojitosunrise wrote: There is no way the penalties MLG handed were enough. Do you think 0$, no points, and the public shaming wont be bad? Do you think their managers wont absolutely tear into their assholes for making them look like shit and embarrassing their sponsors? I personally would have no problem with further punishments that could include either a % of purse being taken if they place at nationals or complete removal from nationals. It would weaken the tournament, but would send a huuuuge message. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:22 mint_julep wrote: Are you serious? They apologized. Were they apologizing for "letting people down" by having been "alleged" to have something? It's an admission. From what I understood they apologized for making a joke out of MLG by playing an ARAM. Could just be me though but it feels like they're dancing around the allegations for now. @CrsNjyacky Sorry about the first game with ARAM,we were just stupid and try to have a troll-fun game...Sorry MLG,Riot and all our fans..T n T @CrSstivicous Want to say sorry to the fans about doin aram first game. Thanks for support and watching. Seems like they haven't admitted to shit yet. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:22 Larkin wrote: Lunchbox (a Halo pro who has been competing in MLG since 2005, and was part of the most successful Halo Reach team) said this: "What the hell happened to the LOL tournament finals? That's just such a dumb situation. Where is the competitiveness?" I think that sums it up. It's competitive eSports - if you're just going to split the money, there's no competition. It'd be like if football teams split their points up so everyone had the same at the end of the season. To be completely fair though, this was like the least important tournament ever. The two best NA teams didn't even bother coming. Doesn't excuse their actions but this tournament's only purpose was for the lower tiered NA teams to place for regionals. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Which is the point. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:17 HazMat wrote: Hm, Saint said "allegations". Seems like they haven't admitted to the matchfixing yet, regardless of what tweets have been saying. I'm waiting for the dignitas announcement. They admitted to doing it in the video. They said "it was really stupid and people should expect better from us". End of story. They got caught and know it. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:24 overt wrote: To be completely fair though, this was like the least important tournament ever. The two best NA teams didn't even bother coming. Doesn't excuse their actions but this tournament's only purpose was for the lower tiered NA teams to place for regionals. To be completely fair it doesn't matter even a little bit. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Do you think 0$, no points, and the public shaming wont be bad? Do you think their managers wont absolutely tear into their assholes for making them look like shit and embarrassing their sponsors? I personally would have no problem with further punishments that could include either a % of purse being taken if they place at nationals or complete removal from nationals. It would weaken the tournament, but would send a huuuuge message. If riot banned an Elohell member from playing in a tournament because he got tribunal banned, they are going to unleash a shit storm at Dig and Crs for this incident. If Riot does not, I can't see how I can take any tournament that Dig and Crs is participating in seriously anymore. | ||
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