On August 27 2012 09:59 AsianEcksDragon wrote: They probably did it to send a message to MLG who had been trying to milk as much out of these players as they can over a single weekend. The current MLG format has no regard for the progamers at all. I wouldn't want anyone to play as many games as they had in a single day for such a small prize pool.
What the hell does this have to do with anything? 2 teams being unsportsmanlike in a tournament suddenly means LoL is a coin flipping game? Tobi is just telling his fans what they want to hear, nothing else.
On August 27 2012 09:50 Probe1 wrote: What is ARAM? (I don't know anything about LoL but the drama has me interested)
Its where all champions fight in mid lane. There are 3 lanes and the jungle. Generally you split up your team to each lane and the jungle, but in ARAM, both teams sent their 5v5 lineup down mid lane . Stands for All Random All Mid. (really general explanation)
On August 27 2012 09:50 Probe1 wrote: What is ARAM? (I don't know anything about LoL but the drama has me interested)
It's All Random All Mid. The players let the game mode randomly choose the champions for them and they only play in 1 lane. Think of it like playing a monobattle for the SC2 grand finals where the computer chooses which unit you get to make.
Thank you all for the explanation
This is not to be confused with the cheese of one team sending five people middle to hard push and throw their opponents off and then afterward reverting to a somewhat typical mid game like in SC2.
On August 27 2012 09:56 ReachTheSky wrote: All they have proof of is them wanting to split the prize. That doesn't mean they threw games or conspired to fix the match. What people do with prize money is up to them. I don't see how these teams are in the wrong.
o, aram. i get it now. Yeah that is pretty bad actually. yeah i would dq them also
It's been stated that the ARAM didn't actually matter (the game could still go either way) -- it's the splitting the prize money that's specifically against the rules. So, yes, both teams are in the wrong.
Can't believe my two favorite NA teams were idiotic enough to do this. Totally blows my mind. Why, Scarra? T_T
What if the team who won decided to donate half the earnings to the other? I don't really see the problem with this - there was no match fixing or anything. It's just money - it's not like it actually matters.
Why are people blaming MLG for this, or saying they won't watch MLG after it? It's a clear violation of their rules, that the teams knowingly disobeyed. Whether or not the reasoning behind it was noble or not is irrelevant. Rules are rules.
I think people should be grateful that there are organisations like MLG that offer such great prize money to their competitors, rather than hating on them for not allowing teams to break their rules and go unpunished.
Just to be crystal clear, MLG’s decision here has nothing to do with ARAM. Both Curse and Dignitas admitted to and apologized for colluding prior to the finals to throw the match.
On August 27 2012 09:46 Slow Motion wrote: In the statement MLG says that the collusion to play the ARAM was to fix the brackets, which clearly did not happen as Curse won the series. I still don't see where they said the teams were gonna split the prize money. Everyone is still linking the same statement even though it doesn't mention anything about what Curse and Dignitas planned to do with their money.
Though to be fair to MLG maybe they are just taking their time to gather to evidence? If they don't have any evidence of money splitting then the premise for their decision is seriously flawed.
The statement from MLG does not mention the ARAM at all.
On August 27 2012 09:56 ReachTheSky wrote: All they have proof of is them wanting to split the prize. That doesn't mean they threw games or conspired to fix the match. What people do with prize money is up to them. I don't see how these teams are in the wrong.
o, aram. i get it now. Yeah that is pretty bad actually. yeah i would dq them also
It's been stated that the ARAM didn't actually matter (the game could still go either way) -- it's the splitting the prize money that's specifically against the rules. So, yes, both teams are in the wrong.
Can't believe my two favorite NA teams were idiotic enough to do this. Totally blows my mind. Why, Scarra? T_T
ahhhh gotcha. I still don't see how that affects any aspect of their tournament. Both teams still played to win. I think that rule should be removed.
On August 27 2012 10:02 Arghmyliver wrote: What if the team who won decided to donate half the earnings to the other? I don't really see the problem with this - there was no match fixing or anything. It's just money - it's not like it actually matters.
Are there really people this stupid on this earth?
On August 27 2012 09:59 Slow Motion wrote: This is the confusion that I'm going to clear up. The rule has two parts. 1) Teams cannot intentionally forfeit. 2) Teams may not conspire to manipulate Rankings or Brackets. Notice the part I bolded. Nowhere did they say teams may not conspire over anything because that would be dumb. It's fine for teams to conspire to have lunch together. What is prohibited by the rule is conspiring to manipulate Rankings. Therefore I say that the teams did not violate the letter of the rule because they did not do either of those things. They did violate the spirit of the rule which is designed to create fair and competitive matches.
MLG apparently has proff that there was in fact collusion to manipulate the final match and collusion between the teams for the whole series.
On August 27 2012 10:04 Waxangel wrote: spirit of the law, people, not the letter
That is to nuanced for the internet. They demand rules specifically stating they are not allowed to split winnings. I mean, that's how it works in professional poker, right? You can just agree to split the winnings at the end.
People who are arguing saying the MLG was in the wrong are just arguing to argue.
You know what really bothers me when individuals get caught match fixing/prize splitting?
What is stopping them from doing this is other tournaments? If they are willing to do it for one tournament, why won't they do it for bigger tournaments?
With millions and millions of dollars on the line in season 2 and 3....I am very very skeptical about the "integrity" of future LoL matches.
On August 27 2012 10:02 Arghmyliver wrote: What if the team who won decided to donate half the earnings to the other? I don't really see the problem with this - there was no match fixing or anything. It's just money - it's not like it actually matters.
Are there really people this stupid on this earth?
Does being that big of a dick get you a lot of friends?
On August 27 2012 09:56 ReachTheSky wrote: All they have proof of is them wanting to split the prize. That doesn't mean they threw games or conspired to fix the match. What people do with prize money is up to them. I don't see how these teams are in the wrong.
o, aram. i get it now. Yeah that is pretty bad actually. yeah i would dq them also
It's been stated that the ARAM didn't actually matter (the game could still go either way) -- it's the splitting the prize money that's specifically against the rules. So, yes, both teams are in the wrong.
Can't believe my two favorite NA teams were idiotic enough to do this. Totally blows my mind. Why, Scarra? T_T
ahhhh gotcha. I still don't see how that affects any aspect of their tournament. Both teams still played to win. I think that rule should be removed.
No way that is completely false. If they split the prize money, then they aren't playing to win... They don't care about the results...
On August 27 2012 10:07 nojitosunrise wrote: You know what really bothers me when individuals get caught match fixing/prize splitting?
What is stopping them from doing this is other tournaments? If they are willing to do it for one tournament, why won't they do it for bigger tournaments?
With millions and millions of dollars on the line in season 2 and 3....I am very very skeptical about the "integrity" of future LoL matches.
It's something that will hang over heads and can't be proven without evidence, it's kind of like after the match fixing scandal I started to wonder if the matches I'm watching are real or have been orchestrated by another gambling company which hasn't been caught yet.
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