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On August 27 2012 09:38 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:35 Feartheguru wrote:On August 27 2012 09:34 Slow Motion wrote:On August 27 2012 09:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I don't understand how anybody is defending crs/dig here or questioning MLG's actions. It blows my mind. I'm not a fan of the first game. but I what I don't understand is MLG's explanation for their decision. Neither team forfeited a game, and it's clear from the Curse victory that Dignitas winning game one had nothing to do with a conspiracy to move them up in the rankings. The real reasoning is that the teams were unprofessional and made the competition look like a farce (at least for one game), This is a valid reason, but what I don't like is MLG being dishonest and pretending that Curse and Dignitas violated an explicit rule. That makes this organization look 100 times more unprofessional thatn either Curse or Dignitas in my opinion. They heard the teams talking about splitting the money. If they did then what they is is definitely fair, but I haven't found any MLG statements that say that is the reason. I wouldn't be surprised if the two teams did do it but I also would like to see some proof or even an actual accusation of money splitting. Maybe I just missed it though so if you could link me to where they talk about money splitting I'd like to read it.
https://twitter.com/MrMLGAdam
The collusion was planned and discussed in a public, crowded setting. The entire venue was aware of it. Not happy to be in this position.
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On August 27 2012 09:39 mint_julep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:30 SoraLimit wrote:
Why is everyone saying it's due to the ARAM game? If that was the case, I'm pretty sure the officials would have stopped it waayy before the game started, and had a proper game. How in the fuck would "the officials" know about this "wayy" before the game started? Did you watch the cast and see how awkward the commentators were? Do you think that Dignitas went up to the admins "wayy" before the game and said "Hey, we've agreed to not play a real competitive game for your finals. We're going to BS around instead. Sound good?" More importantly why in god's name would you think that the last 4 games of the tournament were elaborate "mock games" intending curse to win, and the ARAM was not the issue? Have you heard of Occam's razor? Use it.
Well if they heard about the teams splitting costs, they should've DQ'ed them without the games, right? o_O
I mean, it might make the event look retarded, but at least you don't say "Yeah, let's watch the two teams conspire and then catch them red handed after the event was over."
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On August 27 2012 09:38 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:35 Feartheguru wrote:On August 27 2012 09:34 Slow Motion wrote:On August 27 2012 09:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I don't understand how anybody is defending crs/dig here or questioning MLG's actions. It blows my mind. I'm not a fan of the first game. but I what I don't understand is MLG's explanation for their decision. Neither team forfeited a game, and it's clear from the Curse victory that Dignitas winning game one had nothing to do with a conspiracy to move them up in the rankings. The real reasoning is that the teams were unprofessional and made the competition look like a farce (at least for one game), This is a valid reason, but what I don't like is MLG being dishonest and pretending that Curse and Dignitas violated an explicit rule. That makes this organization look 100 times more unprofessional thatn either Curse or Dignitas in my opinion. They heard the teams talking about splitting the money. If they did then what they is is definitely fair, but I haven't found any MLG statements that say that is the reason. I wouldn't be surprised if the two teams did do it but I also would like to see some proof or even an actual accusation of money splitting. Maybe I just missed it though so if you could link me to where they talk about money splitting I'd like to read it.
"The collusion was planned and discussed in a public, crowded setting. The entire venue was aware of it. Not happy to be in this position."
"To be clear, the ARAM was unfortunate but the DQ is due to collusion."
So they were DQ for collusion and the collusion wasn't just for the ARAM, presumably they were colluding about their pizza toppings so it's not hard to infer what it was about.
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On August 27 2012 09:40 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:38 Gorsameth wrote:
IF, Note IF, they actualy decided to split winning then yes there stupid and probably deserve this and maybe more but ill wait for something to do come Curse/Dig about this before being totaly convinced. Honestly I won't be surprised if both teams are suspended from all MLG events next year (using SSBB drama as president here). If that happens, Odee might even consider disbanding the team since he doesn't deal with bullshit like that and holds his players to a pretty high professional standard. curse will probably be fine since hubert is chill.
If i was Curse/Dig I would pray that Riot doesn't issue more punishments.
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On August 27 2012 09:42 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:40 Perplex wrote:On August 27 2012 09:38 Gorsameth wrote:
IF, Note IF, they actualy decided to split winning then yes there stupid and probably deserve this and maybe more but ill wait for something to do come Curse/Dig about this before being totaly convinced. Honestly I won't be surprised if both teams are suspended from all MLG events next year (using SSBB drama as president here). If that happens, Odee might even consider disbanding the team since he doesn't deal with bullshit like that and holds his players to a pretty high professional standard. curse will probably be fine since hubert is chill. If i was Curse/Dig I would pray that Riot doesn't issue more punishments.
Yeah, good point. I was just looking at it from the viewpoints of MLG and the team owners. Riot could very well suspend them from part of season 3 too
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Two teams not giving a shit how they play + 8k on the line
Not enough evidence to people that they're splitting the money, anyone that thinks so must be a conspiracy theorist
GG
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Prize splitting seems confirmed.
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On August 27 2012 09:41 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:38 Slow Motion wrote:On August 27 2012 09:35 Feartheguru wrote:On August 27 2012 09:34 Slow Motion wrote:On August 27 2012 09:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I don't understand how anybody is defending crs/dig here or questioning MLG's actions. It blows my mind. I'm not a fan of the first game. but I what I don't understand is MLG's explanation for their decision. Neither team forfeited a game, and it's clear from the Curse victory that Dignitas winning game one had nothing to do with a conspiracy to move them up in the rankings. The real reasoning is that the teams were unprofessional and made the competition look like a farce (at least for one game), This is a valid reason, but what I don't like is MLG being dishonest and pretending that Curse and Dignitas violated an explicit rule. That makes this organization look 100 times more unprofessional thatn either Curse or Dignitas in my opinion. They heard the teams talking about splitting the money. If they did then what they is is definitely fair, but I haven't found any MLG statements that say that is the reason. I wouldn't be surprised if the two teams did do it but I also would like to see some proof or even an actual accusation of money splitting. Maybe I just missed it though so if you could link me to where they talk about money splitting I'd like to read it. "The collusion was planned and discussed in a public, crowded setting. The entire venue was aware of it. Not happy to be in this position." "To be clear, the ARAM was unfortunate but the DQ is due to collusion." So they were DQ for collusion and the collusion wasn't just for the ARAM, presumably they were colluding about their pizza toppings so it's not hard to infer what it was about.
Lee Chen (@MLGLee): To be clear here folks, the Collusion had nothing to do with the ARAM. CRS/DIG conspired to split prize money. http://mlg.to/SFulSk
@MLG Lee: We are. Dozens of witnesses “@contagioned: @MLGLee i don't at all disagree with the decision, i just hope that you guys are positive of it.”
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On August 27 2012 09:43 Feartheguru wrote:
Two teams not giving a shit how they play + 8k on the line
Not enough evidence to people that they're splitting the money, anyone that thinks so must be a conspiracy theorist
GG
We have 2 MLG guys confirming that they were prize splitting....what more do you want?
https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/239885315433693184
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Apparently Sirscoots from EG found out about it and made some sort of tweet so I'm guessing MLG found out about it there and started investigating.
MLG Adam talks alot with Sirscoots via twitter and most likely raised concerns from there, and this is SirScoots first tweet about the whole collusion and pt splitting thing, where Adam most likely found out about this and raised alarm bells for MLG.
Going from this MLG most definitely made the correct decision to DQ them both.
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In the statement MLG says that the collusion to play the ARAM was to fix the brackets, which clearly did not happen as Curse won the series. I still don't see where they said the teams were gonna split the prize money. Everyone is still linking the same statement even though it doesn't mention anything about what Curse and Dignitas planned to do with their money.
Though to be fair to MLG maybe they are just taking their time to gather to evidence? If they don't have any evidence of money splitting then the premise for their decision is seriously flawed.
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On August 27 2012 09:32 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:30 nojitosunrise wrote:On August 27 2012 09:28 Slow Motion wrote:
No proof of money splitting. Neither team forfeited game one, Dignitas was playing just as loose as Curse was. And if Curse and Dignitas conspired to fix the brackets by giving Dignitas a free win they sure fucked up hard. according to MLG adam there was proof of collusion Never felt so good to prove a bunch of idiots wrong. Even after they announced taking the prizemoney away people were still arguing that they did it all cause of the ARAM. I expected more from you TL.
On August 27 2012 09:30 Feartheguru wrote:GG haters, my work here is done.
On August 27 2012 09:28 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:25 nojitosunrise wrote:On August 27 2012 09:21 Feartheguru wrote:On August 27 2012 09:18 Nabes wrote:On August 27 2012 09:17 Celestial wrote:I'm not entirely surprised by this result, honestly the whole thing was not needed at all. Curse nor Dignitas didn't even need to reveal anything for PAX, they could've played champions they played the whole tournament already and not showed a single new thing. This is the result of doing something inappropriate during a finals when Riot is trying to improve their image of a professional competitive scene and MLG being quick on the uptake. I dont even think aram was the big deal, it was settled before the finals that dig and crs would split the money And half the people here were telling me I'm a retarded conspiracy theorist when it's clear as hell they were gonna split the money. "We have determined that there was collusion between the two final teams" Agreeing to play ARAM is not collusion, otherwise any kind of talk between any teams would also be considered collusion. How is agreeing to play a certain way in a match with your opponent NOT collusion? So if team A tells team B if you take champ C we'll take champ D, teams B says ok, they picked champs C and D respectively, mlg has the right to take their prize money away? That's the same extent of collusion.
On August 27 2012 09:38 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:33 Gorsameth wrote:On August 27 2012 09:31 Wingblade wrote:On August 27 2012 09:26 Gorsameth wrote:
There is not a single piece of proof there was a case of money splitting. No statement from Curse/Dignitas or MLG mentions it.
MLG stated "manipulate Rankings or Brackets" Which isnt splitting money. Its the ARAM screwing with the #1/2 spots aka there Ranking!. The money splitting is still irrelevant. MLG's conduct code which every team should have been aware of was broken, thus MLG was right in their decision. Im not saying MLG wasnt well with there right to DQ. I was talking about people talking about money splitting which is still unproven. Conspiracy Theorists: 1 White Knight Fanbois: 0
On August 27 2012 09:34 Feartheguru wrote:
HATERS? Where did you all go?
On August 27 2012 09:43 Feartheguru wrote:
Two teams not giving a shit how they play + 8k on the line
Not enough evidence to people that they're splitting the money, anyone that thinks so must be a conspiracy theorist
GG
Can you stop? No one is responding to you because no one cares. You're just spamming at this point.
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Some people here seem to have a serious misunderstanding of what the word "collusion" actually means. In order for the ARAM to happen both teams needed to have talked about it before hand. This is collusion. I may be wrong and there may be confirmation that they agreed to split the prize money but MLG talking about collusion is entirely possible to relate to the ARAM only.
The big difference would be if one player decides to random instantly and the other team follows suit, without prior discussion as to what they were going to do (i.e. if it was spontaneous, in that case they wouldn't have cared) .
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On August 27 2012 09:43 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:42 nojitosunrise wrote:On August 27 2012 09:40 Perplex wrote:On August 27 2012 09:38 Gorsameth wrote:
IF, Note IF, they actualy decided to split winning then yes there stupid and probably deserve this and maybe more but ill wait for something to do come Curse/Dig about this before being totaly convinced. Honestly I won't be surprised if both teams are suspended from all MLG events next year (using SSBB drama as president here). If that happens, Odee might even consider disbanding the team since he doesn't deal with bullshit like that and holds his players to a pretty high professional standard. curse will probably be fine since hubert is chill. If i was Curse/Dig I would pray that Riot doesn't issue more punishments. Yeah, good point. I was just looking at it from the viewpoints of MLG and the team owners. Riot could very well suspend them from part of season 3 too
Riot probably won't do anything as drastic as the suspension of Hosan from the EU Regionals even though the Dig/Curse situation is much more serious. I really hope they get punished for Season 3 if they were stupid enough to 1) go through with colluding and 2) getting caught.
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On August 27 2012 09:46 Jaegeru wrote:Apparently Sirscoots from EG found out about it and made some sort of tweet so I'm guessing MLG found out about it there and started investigating. MLG Adam talks alot with Sirscoots via twitter and most likely raised concerns from there, and this is SirScoots first tweet about the whole collusion and pt splitting thing, where Adam most likely found out about this and raised alarm bells for MLG. https://twitter.com/SirScoots/status/239815006034743297Going from this MLG most definitely made the correct decision to DQ them both.
Utter stupidity from Dig and Curse....complete and utter stupidity
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Yeah, Scoots and Slasher were tweeting about this hours ago.
Slow Motion, Adam and Lee have both said the ARAM had nothing to do with it. Lee specifically said it was prize splitting.
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Okay then I completely agree with the decision. MLG should take back the part about bracket manipulation though. It's clear from the last 4 games that this simply did not happen.
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On August 27 2012 09:47 Goragoth wrote:
Some people here seem to have a serious misunderstanding of what the word "collusion" actually means. In order for the ARAM to happen both teams needed to have talked about it before hand. This is collusion. I may be wrong and there may be confirmation that they agreed to split the prize money but MLG talking about collusion is entirely possible to relate to the ARAM only.
The big difference would be if one player decides to random instantly and the other team follows suit, without prior discussion as to what they were going to do (i.e. if it was spontaneous, in that case they wouldn't have cared) .
It doesn't. Look at posts by @MLGAdam and @MLGLee on twitter, plus @SirScoots and @Slasher from about 4 hours ago.
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TSM and CLG pull out of tourney at the last minute...still look like good guys.
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On August 27 2012 09:49 Slow Motion wrote:Okay then I completely agree with the decision. MLG should take back the part about bracket manipulation though. It's clear from the last 4 games that this simply did not happen.
Bracket manipulation is part of the rule they broke. They aren't saying the teams did that; they're just quoting the full rule they broke.
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