EPT[IEM] Season 6 Championship - Page 253
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At any point of IEM Season 6 Championship, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Hannover but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament. Thanks. Neo, 06.03.2012 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Shanba
Scotland144 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:55 overt wrote: Cho split would've worked. Cho getting caught and dying twice in under three minutes is entirely his fault. Yeah, they should've fought but it's hard to fight when the enemy team has a better team fight than yours and they're turtling at towers. If CLG fought 5v5 under towers they would've gotten raped. So they split pushed. Yeah, the split push was not the issue. Even the time he got caught after tping top - the idea wasn't bad, but he tped after m5 were already halfway across the map. Like, if he'd tped when he saw them starting dragon (or even before that) he could have made something happen instead of just dying, instead he waited around, waited for them to get back into position to defend and then just died. The second death you could see he was looking to meet up with his team and contest baron properly, but he walked over a ward and died to a global initiate comp. Kinda sloppy I guess, but just one of those things. Really unfortunate for clg as they were absolutely playing brilliantly - had a strat and just executed, built a big lead and almost cracked the base, but a couple of mistakes and the game turned. EDIT: Worth noting that M5 aren't playing the all in counterjungling game that they had been doing in kiev. People are probably going to give saintvicious for talking about that when it was a different style that won M5 the games they won. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:57 tyCe wrote: It is overrated. The problem is that when CLG isn't in the position to contest dragon, they're usually also not in the position to punish the other team overcommitting people to take dragon. If you put it that way, then of course it's not worth risking to contest dragon out of position. But if you've seen most of their matches, they obviously do not attempt/prepare to get in position for dragon fights whatsoever | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:58 Doctorbeat wrote: Chauster is. Chauster also has a really good Vlad, and a good Xerath. Chauster's like a wonderkid though, he can play every role super well. However the thing is, he doesn't play any role at an absolute world class level. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
Not looking good for Dignitas  .The only team that I've seen with an answer to M5's aggression so far is CLG.eu. Though one wonders if that was a fluke/one time ordeal or if CLG.eu truly is adequately prepared to deal with M5 in an offline event. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:00 Shikyo wrote: Chauster's like a wonderkid though, he can play every role super well. However the thing is, he doesn't play any role at an absolute world class level. If they would let him play AP for more than 2 months he would imo. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:55 vasculaR wrote: to be fair... urgot is gonna dominate a melee support (ali) and short range AD (vayne). Thats just my opinion and I don't feel like it was really Dlift throwing it. You could see he had a hard time and just got zoned out by Genja's fantastic urgot play. Not to mention Genja landed some suhhhhweeet ultis mid game. Oh and stop giving away free dragons CLG! Behind you give dragon.. ahead you give dragon ?? Can't compute. they made a pick mistake in the first game. They should have second picked janna and last picked tf to counter ryze but instead they second picked tf for some reason and m5 got janna. The janna + urgot combo is insane apparently, there's so much synergy with the +AD and the glacial shroud armor stacking with two shields. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
Hopefully Jatt will drop some science on Reddit with some match analysis. On March 09 2012 22:01 UniversalSnip wrote: The janna + urgot combo is insane apparently, there's so much synergy with the +AD and the glacial shroud armor stacking with two shields. I'm assuming the game treats stacked shields as one shield with regards to passive abilities triggered while the shied is up - if Terror Capacitor (7 second duration) is up at the same time as Eye of the Storm (5 second duration), the slow on attacks and the AD bonus will remain up for either the duration of their related shield or until the shield is negated by damaage, right, rather than damage specifically negating one shield (and associated passive benefit) before another? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:00 Shikyo wrote: Chauster's like a wonderkid though, he can play every role super well. However the thing is, he doesn't play any role at an absolute world class level. Chauster routinely outlanes Reginald, Dyrus, Xpecial, jiji, and tons of other NA pros. He's probably one of, if not the, best solo laners in the world. His late game team fighting isn't quite up to part imo but his laning is fucking insane. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:59 Shanba wrote: Yeah, the split push was not the issue. Even the time he got caught after tping top - the idea wasn't bad, but he tped after m5 were already halfway across the map. Like, if he'd tped when he saw them starting dragon (or even before that) he could have made something happen instead of just dying, instead he waited around, waited for them to get back into position to defend and then just died. The second death you could see he was looking to meet up with his team and contest baron properly, but he walked over a ward and died to a global initiate comp. Kinda sloppy I guess, but just one of those things. Really unfortunate for clg as they were absolutely playing brilliantly - had a strat and just executed, built a big lead and almost cracked the base, but a couple of mistakes and the game turned. Doesn't matter. The plan would straight up not have worked. Vlad bullies cho at that stage, and cho can't push faster than vlad. That's the main reason he got caught. There was not enough pressure so m5 got opportunities to move around on the map and threaten cho. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:55 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Hehehe... I don't think it's a big deal HS got caught. It happens. Especially with split pooshers, but it makes games more exciting. Lee Sin is really strong. SO TRUE. One big problem almost all AD's have with nocturne is the ult dive. Since your allies aren't always gonna be in position to save you, then you either have to be tristana, because if you kill noct u get low, or get some more defensives  One thing I really hated was that the last fight ended without me understanding wtf happened. I just watched DL get ulted. The spectator experience of LoL is worse than that of SC2. My impression of that fight was that Hotshot went in with the team slightly lagging behind. He tried to rupture but M5 dodged. They focussed him hard while Kennen ulted into the rest of CLG and drove them off. Cho falls and the rest of CLG is cleaned up. That fight could have gone the other way if Cho could have hit Kennen with the rupture and the rest of the team would have blown him up. That happened in the fight before at tower. | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:01 UniversalSnip wrote: they made a pick mistake in the first game. They should have second picked janna and last picked tf to counter ryze but instead they second picked tf for some reason and m5 got janna. The janna + urgot combo is insane apparently, there's so much synergy with the +AD and the glacial shroud armor stacking with two shields. Yup, i think there is a matchup imbalance in favour of M5 at the AD lane but jiji TF helped them stay in it i guess? Yup and urgot has the amazing mid game and very nice item progression (like ryze) | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
Heres hoping Dignitas wipes the floor with them tomorrow! | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I sorta feel like... LoL players should study history. Historically its never a good idea to split push Russia. hahha | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Tal
United Kingdom1017 Posts
How many teams have really practiced this to the point where they can all react appropriately? In any game you only spend a very small part 5vs5 team fighting, but it's the most important part. In pretty much any fight we have seen top class players still making mistakes in positioning and choices. Part of this is that you're reacting to what 9 other players are doing, but couldn't this be improved with some dedicated team fight practice? | ||
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Papvin
Denmark610 Posts
Ahahahahaah!, Fucking brilliant holy shit. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
Bwuhaahahaah. Reminds me of "Never fight a land war in Asia" | ||
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