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At any point of IEM Season 6 Championship, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Hannover but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament. Thanks. Neo, 06.03.2012 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:07 beefhamburger wrote: So I don't think I've seen a Rumble lately in Hannover. Is he just not fitting in team comps lately? Yttrasil just hasn't picked up a pro team yet | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:09 Meteora.GB wrote: Bwuhaahahaah. Reminds me of "Never fight a land war in Asia" Haha makes sense. IEM China had a Chinese team winning so there's that :p | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
Oh, that's fantastic. Source? Not sure if I liked Saint's Udyr picks in both games, considering he was up against Ryze in the first game (& Urgot's tanky enough not to care about the bear), and Ashe in the second. I guess it game them the option to run Udyr top instead of jungle if needed, but ... hrrrm. Not sure if Mundo would have fared much better, though the CC reduction on Burning Agony may have helped him reach targets. I know it's out of fashion, but I'm wondering if Trundle would have worked first game against the bruiser AD/APs M5 picked, and given them some terrain control/disengage to support TF's poke. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:01 Haasts wrote: I'm assuming the game treats stacked shields as one shield with regards to passive abilities triggered while the shied is up - if Terror Capacitor (7 second duration) is up at the same time as Eye of the Storm (5 second duration), the slow on attacks and the AD bonus will remain up for either the duration of their related shield or until the shield is negated by damaage, right, rather than damage specifically negating one shield (and associated passive benefit) before another? I believe the ad and shield components of Janna's shield are separate. You keep the ad even if the shield pops. On March 09 2012 22:07 Tal wrote: This is theory crafting (league crafting?) but does anyone else think good teamfighting is an undeveloped part of many teams skills? For example, what's the best thing to do against a nocturne ult and a bunch of AOE going off at the same time? That last critical fight CLG was aced without getting a single kill. How many teams have really practiced this to the point where they can all react appropriately? In any game you only spend a very small part 5vs5 team fighting, but it's the most important part. In pretty much any fight we have seen top class players still making mistakes in positioning and choices. Part of this is that you're reacting to what 9 other players are doing, but couldn't this be improved with some dedicated team fight practice? I feel that teamfighting currently is really just going with a premade plan right now rather than reacting to the situation (for most teams). Like they'll call to focus someone or peel or something like that so it's very one dimensional. This makes certain teams over commit to fights when the best decision would be to back out after a suboptimal initiation. It's unfortunate that LoL doesn't have savestates for teams to practice teamfights...but it's hard getting 2 teams back together just to practice a teamfight over and over again. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:12 Haasts wrote: Oh, that's fantastic. Source? Not sure if I liked Saint's Udyr picks in both games, considering he was up against Ryze in the first game (& Urgot's tanky enough not to care about the bear), and Ashe in the second. I guess it game them the option to run Udyr top instead of jungle if needed, but ... hrrrm. Not sure if Mundo would have fared much better, though the CC reduction on Burning Agony may have helped him reach targets. Udyr is more of a giant brick wall in your own jungle, if they really want to try and counter jungle an Udyr+TF/Ahri/W.e mid you have to be pretty far ahead/ballsy. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:12 Haasts wrote: Oh, that's fantastic. Source? Not sure if I liked Saint's Udyr picks in both games, considering he was up against Ryze in the first game (& Urgot's tanky enough not to care about the bear), and Ashe in the second. I guess it game them the option to run Udyr top instead of jungle if needed, but ... hrrrm. Not sure if Mundo would have fared much better, though the CC reduction on Burning Agony may have helped him reach targets. They banned Shyvana and Lee Sin, Udyr's one of Diamondprox's best junglers so they probably wanted to get that out of the way as well | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Ahahahah, golden! These matches goes to show M5 isn't one trick "counter jangle" only pony. They didn't really try fancy aggressiveness or anything else but solid play. CLG was the one to pull out tricks, scared to rely on their own strength? Who knows, but M5 went 7-0 into finals. TSM might have some words to say to CLG considering Kiev aftermath ^_^ | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:01 Haasts wrote: I'm assuming the game treats stacked shields as one shield with regards to passive abilities triggered while the shied is up - if Terror Capacitor (7 second duration) is up at the same time as Eye of the Storm (5 second duration), the slow on attacks and the AD bonus will remain up for either the duration of their related shield or until the shield is negated by damaage, right, rather than damage specifically negating one shield (and associated passive benefit) before another? I have no idea, it's a good combo on the basis of chain vest + janna shield alone. Shields also just kinda stack well as long as they're not both on at the same time. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
M5 1:0 TSM M5 1:0 Curse M5 1:0 SK M5 1:0 Sypher M5 2:0 CLG M5 2:0 Dignitas ?? edit.dammit | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
The early ganks on Top lane and the early oracles/ganks in game 2 were the only things keeping CLG in either game. He wasn't very effective mid/late game but I don't think there was anything that could have been done. In game 1, Udyr is an excellent peeler for Vayne but the execution just didn't work out that well. The second game, Udyr got all the early ganks but then he got no farm because they were split pushing and the only farm was going to HotShot and Doublelift. Jiji was really super underfarmed in this game as well because of that. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:21 emucxg wrote: M5 1:0 EH M5 1:0 TSM M5 1:0 Curse M5 1:0 SK M5 1:0 Sypher M5 2:0 CLG M5 2:0 Dignitas ?? FTFY | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:25 Dandel Ion wrote: And Denmark too? Wow, those crazy Russians! Isn't DK an Asian DotA team? Probably that. Russian can do anything. | ||
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Shanba
Scotland144 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:22 StUfF wrote: SV was pretty effective with Udyr in both games. The early ganks on Top lane and the early oracles/ganks in game 2 were the only things keeping CLG in either game. He wasn't very effective mid/late game but I don't think there was anything that could have been done. In game 1, Udyr is an excellent peeler for Vayne but the execution just didn't work out that well. The second game, Udyr got all the early ganks but then he got no farm because they were split pushing and the only farm was going to HotShot and Doublelift. Jiji was really super underfarmed in this game as well because of that. Jiji was mostly underfarmed because he lost his lane really hard. And even then, he had a lot of gold - something like wota rylais sorcs void staff at endgame. He just chose not to invest in a deathcap, I guess. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:24 JBright wrote: Obviously M5 is so good they can beat TSM twice in 1 game. lol And Denmark too? Wow, those crazy Russians! | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:24 Shanba wrote: Jiji was mostly underfarmed because he lost his lane really hard. And even then, he had a lot of gold - something like wota rylais sorcs void staff at endgame. He just chose not to invest in a deathcap, I guess. Nah, jiji was something like 0/1/8 after midgame. If he managed to pick up 2-3 kills, he could have been far more effective in the later teamfights. CLG had far worse teamfight picks than M5. Udyr flash stuns, fluky Ahri charms and lucky Cho'Gath ruptures were their only forms of hard engagement and they really were fighting uphill ever since HotshotGG went full-retard with a TP to top lane to farm a wave of minions at M5's base turret. CLG's split-pushing strategy was perfect to fight M5 but HotshotGG didn't bait hard enough most of the time and even when he did, the rest of CLG was too pussy to teamfight 4v3 with a 10k gold lead. Once the game evened out towards mid-late game, the game was M5's to lose. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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