EPT[Crs] Pro Invitational Discussion - Page 18
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:48 Seiuchi wrote: Salce is hitting such beautiful Ori ults but he can't carry EG alone. Yeah I feel bad because Salce Ori play is so sexy. That ult was fantastic | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
The only reason TSM lost was because no one else on the team did anything. edit: haha i should refresh before posting..didn't realize EG vs Dig was happening | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
EDIT: Is CLG vs Dignitas right now? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:37 Seiuchi wrote: How to throw a game by Dan Dinh. I think that's being overly unfair to Dan. I'd say other than derping out once, he played better than most of his teammates. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:57 iCanada wrote: Wow, that was... decisive. Ya DD really needs to improve as a jungle. You really cant afford to do weird shit as a jungler just cuz their isnt enough gold to skimp on actual effective items. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:58 TheYango wrote: I think that's being overly unfair to Dan. I'd say other than derping out once, he played better than most of his teammates. Letting your team get aced (again) and losing baron right after you finally equalize is pretty big in the scale of derps. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:58 Two_DoWn wrote: Ya DD really needs to improve as a jungle. You really cant afford to do weird shit as a jungler just cuz their isnt enough gold to skimp on actual effective items. Hey now, Wriggle's Stark's Aegis isn't "weird shit" to Dan--that's been his go-to Warwick build for like 2 years now lol. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:58 TheYango wrote: I think that's being overly unfair to Dan. I'd say other than derping out once, he played better than most of his teammates. Westrice's top was pretty bad, but Dan took an even game that was slightly tilting towards Epik and handed Dig and ace + Baron. Pretty much dropped the game. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:59 PartyBiscuit wrote: Letting your team get aced (again) and losing baron right after you finally equalize is pretty big in the scale of derps. He took a gamble on how far the enemy team was from the Dragon (they had no vision in the enemy jungle, and it was still possible that some of Dignitas' team was on their way to lanes rather than coming straight to Dragon). You might disagree whether that gamble was necessary (and I'll concede that Dan tends to feel such risks are necessary sooner than they actually are), but given how far behind they were (2 towers, a ton of kills, all 3 carries comparatively underfarmed), he might have felt it was necessary to take that gamble to give them a shot at winning the game. On February 19 2012 12:01 Seiuchi wrote: Westrice's top was pretty bad, but Dan took an even game that was slightly tilting towards Epik and handed Dig and ace + Baron. Pretty much dropped the game. Oh come on, that game wasn't even close to even before the Baron. EG had one good teamfight, but being down 2 towers and several kills and being disadvantaged in all 3 lanes is not "even". The global gold gap was already 5k+ and growing. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:04 TheYango wrote: He took a gamble on how far the enemy team was from the Dragon (they had no vision in the enemy jungle, and it was still possible that some of Dignitas' team was on their way to lanes rather than coming straight to Dragon). You might disagree whether that gamble was necessary (and I'll concede that Dan tends to feel such risks are necessary sooner than they actually are), but given how far behind they were (2 towers, a ton of kills, all 3 carries comparatively underfarmed), he might have felt it was necessary to take that gamble to give them a shot at winning the game. Oh come on, that game wasn't even close to even before the Baron. EG had one good teamfight, but being down 2 towers and several kills and being disadvantaged in all 3 lanes is not "even". Maybe Observer mode makes things look a bit more clinical than playing the game itself so you can see that the global gold difference isn't that bad, because that certainly is an argument, but blind ulting a Maokai when your team's in bad shape and you don't see the rest of his team is a reckless gamble at best and just fucking stupid at worst. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
It feels like they didn't prep at all and just said "screw it, we have a tournament." Would it really be that hard for curse to get an overlay that isn't notepad, or not have everyone watching them herpderp about getting in game for an hour between every game? -.- | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:09 Seiuchi wrote: Maybe Observer mode makes things look a bit more clinical than playing the game itself so you can see that the global gold difference isn't that bad, because that certainly is an argument, but blind ulting a Maokai when your team's in bad shape and you don't see the rest of his team is a reckless gamble at best and just fucking stupid at worst. When you're in bad shape is EXACTLY when you take a gamble to try and put yourself back in the game. It's why in SC mid-level pros cheese players that are significantly better than them, or why you go for an all-in when you're on the back foot. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:00 TheYango wrote: Hey now, Wriggle's Stark's Aegis isn't "weird shit" to Dan--that's been his go-to Warwick build for like 2 years now lol. Doesn't make it good. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If Voyboy had gone to top instead of coming to Dragon that Dignitas obviously wouldn't get to in time and it turned into a 4-for-1 trade, everyone would be saying that play turned the game around entirely. I was being facetious. Sorry that wasn't clear. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:14 TheYango wrote: It's easy for us to judge his error when we have vision of both sides, and in hindsight the gamble looks stupid, but how can you say that gamble wasn't necessary? If Voyboy had gone to top instead of coming to Dragon that they obviously wouldn't get to in time and it turned into a 4-for-1 trade, everyone would be saying that play turned the game around entirely. I was being facetious. Sorry that wasn't clear. It didn't look good when it was happening either. Like if that was your WW in a game, and you were blind of the global vision and saw him pulling that move off, would you think that was a good play as it was happening? I see where you're saying that it's a coin flip move because Voyboy COULD HAVE gone top, but when you just finished dragon after a contested fight and they've all came up around the same time, is it a smart risk to try to pick Maokai? You don't think it's really likely they could have came as 5 and tried to come to see if Dragon was still there/pick a team coming out of the pit? | ||
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:04 TheYango wrote: He took a gamble on how far the enemy team was from the Dragon (they had no vision in the enemy jungle, and it was still possible that some of Dignitas' team was on their way to lanes rather than coming straight to Dragon). You might disagree whether that gamble was necessary (and I'll concede that Dan tends to feel such risks are necessary sooner than they actually are), but given how far behind they were (2 towers, a ton of kills, all 3 carries comparatively underfarmed), he might have felt it was necessary to take that gamble to give them a shot at winning the game. Oh come on, that game wasn't even close to even before the Baron. EG had one good teamfight, but being down 2 towers and several kills and being disadvantaged in all 3 lanes is not "even". The global gold gap was already 5k+ and growing. I agree with you to some extent, but one of us is misremembering (or we're referring to different situations) because I recall that, when dan ulted, EG was behind < 1k gold. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:30 Nehsb wrote: I agree with you to some extent, but one of us is misremembering (or we're referring to different situations) because I recall that, when dan ulted, EG was behind < 1k gold. That's what I thought too, but I was giving him the 5k for the sake of argument. : / | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2012 12:30 Nehsb wrote: I agree with you to some extent, but one of us is misremembering (or we're referring to different situations) because I recall that, when dan ulted, EG was behind < 1k gold. Checked the VOD. You're right. In which case, yeah, that was definitely a pointless gamble to make. | ||
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