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You max W on support Lux because the mana cost doesn't go up.
You max Q on support Morg because the snare duration goes up, Lux Q doesn't.
I'd rather have 50 more shielding on a spell level for 0 mana cost increase than 50 more damage with the mana cost going up.
Also notable is that even though their mana costs are basically the same, Morg has more flat mana and mana regen per level. Not to mention almost 100 more HP and more armor at level 1, ugh Lux's base stats are so awful.
Honestly support Morg and support Lux are very similar, it's just that Lux focuses on offense and is good against passive lanes, while Morg focuses on defense and is good against aggressive CC heavy lanes. You aren't seeing any Kog Janna right now, which is where Lux would be the better pick.
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k i'll try to be more eloquent this time
The stuff you mentioned is all true. Morg has better base stats. Q snare duration doesn't go up with Lux Q level. Mana cost goes from 50->90.
However if you have a stronger Q:
-you gain a credible offensive threat, where if you use it while avoiding the enemy's hard engage, you can actually hurt people pretty bad, which may prevent enemy all-ins to begin with
-the respect given to your Q in-lane should get higher because no one wants to eat a Q and get chunked or die
-a higher damage Q can actually get the enemy to disengage from you
-a higher damage Q can actually secure kills on overextended people
Max W makes the enemy botlane want to be more aggressive because they know your damage is 100% shit and your level 1 Q has a miserably high cooldown. W is also reactive, so you might get poked or something before even using W which makes the coveted 50 points per level for no mana cost much less useful.
I'll go play with it some more because one of my biggest problems with Support Lux is that W max laning phase is atrocious and maybe being a dick with max Q can help mitigate that.
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Well, let us know how it turns out.
Definitely don't max E, at any rate.
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On May 08 2014 06:22 scrubtastic wrote:
k i'll try to be more eloquent this time
The stuff you mentioned is all true. Morg has better base stats. Q snare duration doesn't go up with Lux Q level. Mana cost goes from 50->90.
However if you have a stronger Q:
-you gain a credible offensive threat, where if you use it while avoiding the enemy's hard engage, you can actually hurt people pretty bad, which may prevent enemy all-ins to begin with
-the respect given to your Q in-lane should get higher because no one wants to eat a Q and get chunked or die
-a higher damage Q can actually get the enemy to disengage from you
-a higher damage Q can actually secure kills on overextended people
Max W makes the enemy botlane want to be more aggressive because they know your damage is 100% shit and your level 1 Q has a miserably high cooldown. W is also reactive, so you might get poked or something before even using W which makes the coveted 50 points per level for no mana cost much less useful.
I'll go play with it some more because one of my biggest problems with Support Lux is that W max laning phase is atrocious and maybe being a dick with max Q can help mitigate that.
I feel like if you can nullify either the support or the adcs damage with her shield thats gonna help you wins trade just as hard, but in a different way imo
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Okay so, a patch 4.7 update.
Really not much Lux related in this patch. Here are the notables though.
If Jarvan starts seeing more play, he's very good against Lux both as a laner and as a jungler, so that might suck. Lets hope he remains unplayed.
As far as Kassadin goes, I feel like Kassadin is not too hard a lane for Lux now, so long as you get your harass on him while he doesn't have a shield. Since said shield is being nerfed a bit, it should be even easier. This is good.
Kha nerfs are always good.
I don't think the Heal change really changed whether or not Lux wants it, since she doesn't have any heals of her own, so the nerf doesn't really affect her like it does Nidalee and Soraka. If anything it's a buff to Lux because it's a comparative nerf to Nidalee and Soraka.
In terms of the guide, I'm going to update the summoner spells section to suggest using Exhaust against Zed. I've tried it 4 or 5 times now and I really like it. I don't really think I'd take Exhaust against anybody else at this time, though.
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So I tried Lux top against Ryze.
Seemed to work. Harder than it is in mid though because if you miss your shit he can chase you down. Best to just E him out of the lane and not snare at all until he's super low I think.
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Having seen some Lux played mid I can definitely say her mid is very weak to ganks and is prone to beginning the game 0-4, 1-3, etc even with jungle ganks. I'm not sure who she bullies in lane anymore without opening herself up to being ganked easily. I see her laning phase a bit similar in line with Lulu's while being a bit less effective at overall laning. I'd say with comparative skill to who you'er laning against it's harder to outplay them with her skillset, at least with the meta champions, resulting in her laning being sub-par. Perhaps is more people played weaker mids she'd be a bit stronger. Going behind to start every game definitely negatively impacts her winrates.
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How Lux skills interact with Braum's shield:
Her spells still apply her passive to him even if the spells damage is 100% stopped by the shield.
Her Q is stopped by the shield, it still hits him and snares him.
Her W is unaffected.
Her E is a little odd. His shield blocks the particle from travelling any further, so if you throw it past him it will stop at him. But it doesn't detonate it, it leaves the slow field on the ground and you can choose to detonate it later if you want.
Her R gets the damage reduction but goes past him to hit things behind him (just like with Wind Wall, it's not a projectile)
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Vel koz also applies his passive to braum through the shield
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you put a level into e before you start maxing w to double the damage that the spell causes.
Ie thats how madlife plays.
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Yeah that's what Madlife did on support Lux in S2, but it doesn't actually double the damage.
Since you're getting the second level at 4, when you add her passive damage to it it goes from 100 damage to 145 damage.
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So, a Lux patch 4.8 update:
This is like the most doesn't affect Lux patch ever. The only mid lane champions that were changed are ones Lux already beats and will continue to beat (or in the case of Soraka beat even harder) after said changes.
I do not think this changes the Lady of Luminosity really at all.
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How do you play vs raka? never played it before but it surprises me lux beats raka that hard.
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On May 22 2014 18:14 napo wrote:
How do you play vs raka? never played it before but it surprises me lux beats raka that hard.
outrange and abuse. To Q push the wave she has to run in front of the minions, that means she can easily be hit with a binding.
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On May 22 2014 18:14 napo wrote:
How do you play vs raka? never played it before but it surprises me lux beats raka that hard.
You take teleport and just E her at every opportunity early game, which should force her out of lane before you.
After she gets a chalice you can't really kill her anymore so you just counterpush, gank with teleport, and be happy that you outscale her. If your jungler decides to gank it should be a kill every time but he doesn't really need to because she has no kill potential on you.
Very standard play for one of the teleport lanes in the guide, really.
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Another patch another post.
And another patch that had little to do with mid lane, and little to do with champions being buffed.
So, Lux is basically the same this patch. Hopefully the Karthus VU will bring a rise in Karthus play, since Lux does very well against him. She can stop his ult from killing people and she's good at shutting him down in lane.
With the focus on ADC itemization in the next patch forecast I anticipate mid lane not having dramatic changes for a while.
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On June 06 2014 01:29 Ketara wrote:
Another patch another post.
And another patch that had little to do with mid lane, and little to do with champions being buffed.
So, Lux is basically the same this patch. Hopefully the Karthus VU will bring a rise in Karthus play, since Lux does very well against him. She can stop his ult from killing people and she's good at shutting him down in lane.
With the focus on ADC itemization in the next patch forecast I anticipate mid lane not having dramatic changes for a while.
Umm Karthus eats Lux alive in lane.
I know, because I main Karthus.
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On June 07 2014 14:01 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 01:29 Ketara wrote:
Another patch another post.
And another patch that had little to do with mid lane, and little to do with champions being buffed.
So, Lux is basically the same this patch. Hopefully the Karthus VU will bring a rise in Karthus play, since Lux does very well against him. She can stop his ult from killing people and she's good at shutting him down in lane.
With the focus on ADC itemization in the next patch forecast I anticipate mid lane not having dramatic changes for a while. Umm Karthus eats Lux alive in lane. I know, because I main Karthus.
Are you under the assumption that Ketara doesn't main lux?
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On June 07 2014 14:01 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 01:29 Ketara wrote:
Another patch another post.
And another patch that had little to do with mid lane, and little to do with champions being buffed.
So, Lux is basically the same this patch. Hopefully the Karthus VU will bring a rise in Karthus play, since Lux does very well against him. She can stop his ult from killing people and she's good at shutting him down in lane.
With the focus on ADC itemization in the next patch forecast I anticipate mid lane not having dramatic changes for a while. Umm Karthus eats Lux alive in lane. I know, because I main Karthus.
Follow a Lux roam and tell me how that works out for you.
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On June 07 2014 14:29 Ethelis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2014 14:01 BronzeKnee wrote:On June 06 2014 01:29 Ketara wrote:
Another patch another post.
And another patch that had little to do with mid lane, and little to do with champions being buffed.
So, Lux is basically the same this patch. Hopefully the Karthus VU will bring a rise in Karthus play, since Lux does very well against him. She can stop his ult from killing people and she's good at shutting him down in lane.
With the focus on ADC itemization in the next patch forecast I anticipate mid lane not having dramatic changes for a while. Umm Karthus eats Lux alive in lane. I know, because I main Karthus. Follow a Lux roam and tell me how that works out for you.
I feel like you dont need to roam as hard cause you can use your ult and contribute almost as much as she does int he time shes walking, expect you get to farm while doing it
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