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[Champion] Lux, the Lady of Luminosity - Page 18
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
The bad thing is that I feel like Ori is both a little stronger than you in lane and a little stronger than you in late game teamfights. You also both set up ganks really well. The problem with her in lane is that your ability to win trades with her is very limited. If you just hit each other with spells (she Q-W's you, you shield the W and E her), she typically wins the trade. If you trade spells and then go up and auto each other, she also typically wins the trade. This is because your passive will only work for 1 or 2 autos, but hers will work for every auto. The longer you are autoing each other the harder she is going to win the trade. This also means you can't bully her at level 1-2, and lanes that Lux wins are typically ones where she can bully hard at level 1 and 2. The trade that you can win is one where each of you only get one autoattack. E her, go up and get one auto, and then immediately back away. Your movespeed is faster than hers and you have the same range, so you should be able to make it so the both of you only get one autoattack, and your passive hits harder than her first auto does. If you Q-E her you can stick around for two autos, but don't give her more than that. I like to go 22/0/8 for movespeed in this lane, and rush boots2 right after Chalice. Your biggest advantage in this lane is that it's a lot harder for her to dodge your E than it is for you to dodge her W, so dodging the ball as much as possible is critical and being a boots level ahead of her lets you do that while easily dictating how many autoattacks a trade will last for. This is the same setup I use against Ziggs, the lanes play out very similarly. Later in the game, she does more teamfight damage than you do, but her effective range is lower and your shield is better at dealing with enemy poke, so if you can try to make it more about sieging and poking than hard engage, but that is fairly typical Lux anyway. All in all I think a good Orianna is one of the hardest matchups for Lux. She is just a very similar champion but slightly stronger than you at all stages of the game, so the avenues to outplay her are extremely limited. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Orianna dps and shield spam (+resists) on a single target stronger in a drawn-out fight though. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
She's been in I think like two LCS games this split but I think she lost both games. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I think Frozen didn't switch from E>auto to auto>E at level 9, which cost him some CS in the 15-20 minute area before he finished Deathcap. I do think it's normal to be a little behind Ziggs in CS though, but not that far behind. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
It's really nice to see the number crunching of one of my favorite champs. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Basically here are the numbers on the changes: Right now, you should never be buying Athenes anymore. It's a bad item. Instead, you should be getting Chalice+Morellonomicon against AP, and 2x dorans + Morellonomicon (with mp5 blues) against AD. Chalice+Morellonomicon gives better stats than Athenes for a similar pricepoint and a better buildup (for Lux) since you can go Chalice>Forbidden Idol. You don't go to 6 items on Lux very fast so you can afford to take up more item slots in the mid game. Late game you can either sell the Chalice for a 6th item, or sell the Morello, upgrade Chalice to Athenes, and then buy a 6th item, depending on how much you feel like you need the MR. Once Chalice is nerfed this might change. In terms of damage it will still be worth it to go Chalice+Morello, but in terms of defense it may be worth it to just get Athenes. I imagine it will be situational to the game and I actually like that a lot. The passive AP ratio buff is the exact change I want for Lux and have been waiting for for months. It's going to allow her to open Dorans Ring, and it will be a sizeable damage increase, especially at low levels. At level 1 it's about a 10% increase to her damage, and at level 2 it's a 5% increase to the damage of her Q-auto-E-auto combo. It's also a slight increase to her combo damage, and an increase to her late game sustained damage in long fights. It's just a big buff, pure and simple. I'm hoping that it's going to be enough to push her into real early game bully status against mids like Ziggs and Orianna, because that's what she needs to look competitive right now. For comparison, Lux passive will do equal damage to Ziggs passive at level 2 and more from 3 until both sides start buying AP, and from level 2 two Lux passive autos will outdamage 3 Orianna passive autos. Neither of these things are true before this change happens. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On July 28 2014 01:53 Ketara wrote: The passive AP ratio buff is the exact change I want for Lux and have been waiting for for months. It's going to allow her to open Dorans Ring, and it will be a sizeable damage increase, especially at low levels. At level 1 it's about a 10% increase to her damage, and at level 2 it's a 5% increase to the damage of her Q-auto-E-auto combo. It's also a slight increase to her combo damage, and an increase to her late game sustained damage in long fights. It's just a big buff, pure and simple. Is this implying that you don't start with Doran's ring on Lux? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
However, now that her passive has an AP ratio its much more lucrative to buy double dorans on your first back instead of chalice. You lose out on the early MR but you gain extra HP to compensate. Plus the 30 AP from 2x dorans will add 6 damage to each of your passive procs. "Assuming you first back at level 5" Lux base mana regen at level 5 = 9 mana per 5 seconds. 2x Doran ring = 9 base regen + 6 regen + 8 regen with perfect last hits on non-cannon waves. Chalice = 9 base regen + 7 regen + (0-16 regen). The regen is identical when you're sitting at half mana bar. But the extra damage from rings is a huge plus when you're looking to burst someone at level 6. There's no reason to get chalice in lane unless you can't last hit to save your life. Team fights are a different story but by then you should have either Athene's or Morello's which will probably always be Morello's now after the nerfs. ~edit: Never thought of this but with Heal being so predominant in the meta currently the Grievous Wounds passive from Morello's looks even better. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Technically, Dorans Ring costs less money than Flask (what lol I can explain this) as a starting item. This is because Dorans Ring costs 35 less gold in potions. So assuming you're going to buy both a dorans and a flask regardless, you actually delay your build less by starting Dorans. Right now, Flask is just blatantly better. I'd need to do all the math again but I'm fairly confident that the change will make Dring equivalent or better in initial laning. If it's equivalent, it's cheaper to open Dring. Lux's big lane bully period is actually not level 6, it's level 1-3. I think against good players if Lux gets a 1v1 kill she usually does it at level 2 or 3. And I think being able to start Dring will help with that a lot. Right now Dring is already better at level 1-2 obviously, but by level 5 it's just MUCH worse than starting Flask, which will cause you to lose lanes if you open Dring because you normally don't go back till level 5-6. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
Boots + flask (or dorans, whatever you prefer as a starting item) + wards + chalice + morellonomicon is already 5 slots, you're most like going to have to sell flask or skip wards while building your next item unless you want to sit on a lot of gold for extended periods of time. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Buy NLR Buy Blasting Wand and go without wards for 700g (probably only one back at that stage of the game) By the time you start building Void Staff that's about when you would sell the Flask anyway. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
@Bill Murray: But stack items are BM? :o | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
Its also especially true for lower tier players who understand that mid lane needs to roam, picks a strong AP assassin (kat/fizz) that cannot farm lanes too well, and needs mejais to "snowball". Apply that to every midlaner and then have these mid laners improve up the tiers into diamond/challenger and there you go. Standard, core item. Tbh I never understood the "BM" about the two items. Fully stacked mejais is basically another deathcap, while soto on ad assassins (especially talon with mobo boots) is a crazy freelo machine. Regarding Lux, I expect to see more and more of her if the Xerath trend continues. Shes decent during laning phase vs xerath, able to abuse his low mobility with her super easy to hit E. Her wave clear is on par, and her aoe shield during teamfights is amazing vs him. | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
Her range lets her position very safely in teamfights, her W lets her pick up easy assists, and her R allows for | ||
RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
The chalice/Athenes nerf just gives her more reason to get bursty, both because other casters wont have as much MR when they prefer still building it and because she doesn't need it as much in the laning phase when you can start clearing fast with high damage E's that also hit your opponent. Edit: I also agree she's one of the best casters to get Mejai's on. Def. worth considering. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 02 2014 17:38 padfoota wrote: Mejais is like "core" for all the ap mids on the chinese server. Its actually decent if your team is behind and you can be sure you will be able to pick up some kills/assists without dying. Its very strong if you want to snowball and maintain that midgame advantage all the way into lategame. Its also especially true for lower tier players who understand that mid lane needs to roam, picks a strong AP assassin (kat/fizz) that cannot farm lanes too well, and needs mejais to "snowball". Apply that to every midlaner and then have these mid laners improve up the tiers into diamond/challenger and there you go. Standard, core item. Tbh I never understood the "BM" about the two items. Fully stacked mejais is basically another deathcap, while soto on ad assassins (especially talon with mobo boots) is a crazy freelo machine. Regarding Lux, I expect to see more and more of her if the Xerath trend continues. Shes decent during laning phase vs xerath, able to abuse his low mobility with her super easy to hit E. Her wave clear is on par, and her aoe shield during teamfights is amazing vs him. I don't consider it BM, it was a just a joke about the youngbuck/unlimited drama about Alliance building 4 stack items vs CW. | ||
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