EPTEspecially what you think about early trading, I played the matchup and asked my jungler to camp top, which helped me win my lane eventually, but it took 2-3 ganks and the other lanes lost (not because they were camped but if my Jungler could've helped them, it might've been better). Am I as dependent on the Jungler as it seemed for me, or do you have some tips on how to play this matchup better with less help from jungle?
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
Especially what you think about early trading, I played the matchup and asked my jungler to camp top, which helped me win my lane eventually, but it took 2-3 ganks and the other lanes lost (not because they were camped but if my Jungler could've helped them, it might've been better). Am I as dependent on the Jungler as it seemed for me, or do you have some tips on how to play this matchup better with less help from jungle? | ||
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
Do you ever start dorans blade? I went it vs a Nasus recently, won lane really easily but he also wasn't that good and pretty sure I could have opened whatever I wanted and still won the lane. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
So my question is how to build for this matchup: So, on my first back, I had around 1300 gold (I think, it was 50g short of buying hexdrinker). When playing vs vlad, I like to rush a hexdrinker because the AD combined with the hexdrinker passive is really nice when I want to play aggressive. However, I didnt really know if I should come back to lane with a longsword+null+boots+ward; I decided to opt for double dorans here and then picked up hexdrinker on my next back (they had like naut, kat, blitz, vlad and Varus, so hexdrinker was a pretty great choice into the game). First off, is this the right decision? I delayed getting the hexdrinker for a while but instead got some nice tankyness and some room to bully him some more in lane with that tankiness. Usually I try not to buy 2 dorans unless I really want to either snowball a lane with that extra tankiness so I can bully, or if I need the tankiness to survive. I usually pick up either none and go straight for hydra (or sun-fire, or hexdrinker; depending on match up) . However in this case I felt that heading back with that amount of tankiness would buy me room to pressure top super hard and get the jungler to maybe gank me and waste his time. After I completed hexdrinker, I went for a sunfire. In most matchups I will go for a hydra because I think it works well with renektons W and gives you some nice damage to really help out in those midgame teamfights. I really don't know when or if I should build Sunfire after that. The really great thing about sunfire on renekton is that you become this really, really tanky person with your ult that does a ton of AOE damage, so you can really bully out any enemy AD in midgame teamfights; as the game wears on sunfire loses some appeal though as the damage component gets less relevant and you just need more armor/MR to be that tanky guy who the enemy carries have to run from. My logic here was I was pressuring second tower; Vlad was being very conservative (He maxxed his pool first and rushed that jungler item that vlads get, so It was really hard to dive him, so I didnt bother after I saw his pool was up as often as my E), so I couldnt really bully him any more, and Bot was even(ish, the kill counts were in thier favor, but only 1 or 2 went to the ad carry and we got a tower out of the deal, so our AD carries had around the same gold), but mid was winning. I figured if I went for a really quick sunfire I could get tanky enough to really force some fights midgame; we had amumu so it seemed like a good play to go for the massive AOE midgame. Is this also the right call? Usually after my damage item (Usually hydra, but sometimes hex, sometimes sunfire), I go straight for a randuins or spirit visage if I'm worried about enemy AP. In this situation I felt confident I could end the game by Just getting in front of the group and making some good dives happen. This is a big probelm I have, when is it OK to go for sunfire after a damage item? When is too late for it to be a good buy? Just some questions I have about renekton builds, thanks for the help! | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
That was during Red Pot meta, and a lot has changed since then. Very few people start red pot now (not that you can't, it's just not nearly as strong as before). Not only that, you shared blue exp with your jungler, which gave you an earlier lv 2, which DESTROYS Shen, especially if you slow push on top of that to gain a full 2 level advantage (holy shit talk about lop-sided matchups). Both these facts result in an INSANELY powerful tower dive. I can't tell if he started Red Pot or not, but it doesn't look like it, so you probably could've gotten first blood on your own much sooner (though it'd obviously be a bit riskier). Currently, you wouldn't have gotten the level advantage you had unless you played a bit more aggressively, which would also push the lane in a bit faster. Also, in terms of the current build meta, you have 2 ("competitive") options: 1) Tiamat->Standard Sunfire Tank, or 2) Standard Sunfire Tank. You can also go Hydra->LW->GA->Tank if you're in Solo Queue. In those days, another thing you could to to cheese your opponent, is steal the Wraiths, and come into lane and level 2 all in immediately. It's what a lot of Rivens did, and it gave a lot of first bloods. =.= Even if they know it's coming, they end up denying themselves CS passively because they know if they go for CS they will die 100%. Also, do you still insist on Rejuv Bead+5? Doran's Shield+1 is the current standard. The difference is 500 hp and 1 ward for 1 hp/s and 8 hp per champion auto. If you just REALLY want the early ward, then yeah, there's basically no other reasonable start. Also, it'd be nice to see footage of you entering lane and the positions you guard from (if any). Since the Shen video is old, I have the feeling you might be cheesing these matchups pretty hard (which is actually pretty difficult if you start W first unless you buff exp share, you need Q to Wraith/Wolf cheese). The reason I say this is because in the vs Irelia video, you're shown starting off with level 2 vs 1, and 50+ fury. So I'm 90% sure you shared buff exp (since you got level 2 with just 1 wave of exp), which gave you a huge boost in lane, which is not possible anymore without hard fucking your Jungler. Also, that Irelia isn't very good. Or, he hasn't mastered Irelia to the extent that you've mastered Renekton. Irelia is supposed to start E first against melees (Q vs ranged). He started Q first against you, which makes his ability to trade relatively poor. He follows up by skilling W, which is best for a passive lane, intent on farming (most likely under tower). However, he tries to go ham on you repeatedly when his damage is poor compared to yours. If he goes E->Q or even E->W his trade potential raises quite a bit, since you can't just get in and drop 100% free damage on him. And him starting E at level 1 (in current meta) allows him to trade fairly evenly with you. (It's enough to outtrade any poor Renekton, though a high level Renekton should at least go about even, if not slightly ahead.) It'd be nice if you could get a video against a good Irelia in the current meta (no buff exp). Too bad you probably can't ask Wickd, though Voyboy or Dyrus should provide fairly decent substitutes (more-so Voyboy than Dyrus). And I feel like Singed made the same mistake as you did in your vs Shen video. When ult is down, don't overstay vs a Renekton that you know has both ult and Ignite up with ~40% hp, although Shen doesn't have the same kind of kill potential vs anyone like Renekton has vs Singed with no ult. T.T Meta back then favored Renekton more than it does now (not saying it doesn't favor Renekton though). Updated videos would be nice, if you ever get around to them. | ||
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ZataN
New Zealand414 Posts
 your videos are awesome though I hope you get heaps of hits from that shit. $$$. I wish there were more videos like yours for other champs though. Going in depth on the matchups is an awesome idea. | ||
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Artunit
Philippines400 Posts
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