EPTGolem -> Sunfire -> Wit's
Tried it in one game, but I was on my smurf so that one doesn't count for much. Anyone else used the build?
[Champion] Udyr - Page 6
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
Golem -> Sunfire -> Wit's Tried it in one game, but I was on my smurf so that one doesn't count for much. Anyone else used the build? | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:11 Magus wrote: What are people's thoughts on the way Trick2G builds his Udyr? Golem -> Sunfire -> Wit's Tried it in one game, but I was on my smurf so that one doesn't count for much. Anyone else used the build? I like Golem and Sunfire I usually go Thornmail though. The Wit's would be good with the Q with+40% attackspeed | ||
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commandchild
38 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:48 reps)squishy wrote: I like Golem and Sunfire I usually go Thornmail though. The Wit's would be good with the Q with+40% attackspeed I would think in any case where you would consider building Thorn; FH or Randuins would be better instead. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I agree with arb. guitar, have you tried out Diamondprox's Tigerdyr build? I mean 9/21/0 is just the standard/default tanky jungler masteries, there's really nothing wrong with it but Diamond's 14/3/13 is mind-boggling efficient. Not sure why you would ever suggest 21/9/0. Trinity is nice as the sole offensive option but I wouldn't rush the item. Wit's for Phoenix is good. I have mixed feelings about BotRK in general on Udyr. Tigerdyr, straight up Q > E > W > R. Point in W at level 2. I was listening to saint's soloq stream the other night while playing a game, and some viewers started spamming that he should use the diamondprox build and he had a little discussion about why he doesn't like Tiger in general and how by building the way diamond builds, he's giving up a lot of the strengths that udyr brings to the table. Of course if you like to tiger jungle diamondprox's setup is probably the way to go, but It's a good listen. I can't find the VOD/timestamp right now, will edit if I do | ||
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Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 26 2013 09:29 Advocado wrote: when do you guys build damage and is BOTRK the only damage item Udyr needs? If youre obnoxiously fed BOTRK is good on tiger only imo, much rather have Wits on Phoenix truthfully. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 25 2013 12:29 commandchild wrote: I would think in any case where you would consider building Thorn; FH or Randuins would be better instead. thornmail is a terrible item until you have the EHP and armor to back it up. Basically you need randuin's + sunfire before thornmail even starts being a good option for preventing focus from ADC's. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 27 2013 06:35 Amui wrote: thornmail is a terrible item until you have the EHP and armor to back it up. Basically you need randuin's + sunfire before thornmail even starts being a good option for preventing focus from ADC's. I dont think unless playing Tiger where you need the AoE you should worry about sunfire at all. I think Randuins in general is a much better item on Udyr tbh, since he's gonna be up eating shots the slows really useful, and if youre peeling like a beast the active is super good too. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
So generally if the game snowballs due to you fucking up their jungler and taking objectives really quickly with your team (towers and dragon), it feels okay even with low farming because of the global gold, but if your team falls behind it feels significantly worse than pheonix. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On July 29 2013 14:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote: There are several high diamonds I've had games with who did lane udyr, and his damage fucking wrecks shit. You can easily 1v1 almost anyone. He has relatively high bases on his q and r, 200 damage + 275 just for entering phoenix once and autoing, 230+1.6 total ad for one hit in tiger. That's well over 700 damage. There's a streamer that's been doing it too. Zephyr, botrk, anything that gives extremely efficient stats. Tigerbearphoenix udyr's dps is fucking insane. I was just speculating earlier in the thread, and from what I've seen it's real. How would you skill it? straight up QER Q>R>E>W or do you put a point (or more) in W for lane sustain earlygame? | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On July 29 2013 17:28 BobMcJohnson wrote: How would you skill it? straight up QER Q>R>E>W or do you put a point (or more) in W for lane sustain earlygame? someone played Tiger/turtle against my pantheon. He maxed WQER because otherwise i'd still manage to outdps him and push him out of lane. After level 5 I didnt "win" a single 1v1 (doesnt mean he killed me either, but I couldn't bully him around which was surprising since i started with first blood on him). Only downside is that his midgame teamfights where slightly lackluster. Our team simply ignored him and he didnt have the damage to assassinate our adc. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On July 30 2013 03:39 Tula wrote: someone played Tiger/turtle against my pantheon. He maxed WQER because otherwise i'd still manage to outdps him and push him out of lane. After level 5 I didnt "win" a single 1v1 (doesnt mean he killed me either, but I couldn't bully him around which was surprising since i started with first blood on him). Only downside is that his midgame teamfights where slightly lackluster. Our team simply ignored him and he didnt have the damage to assassinate our adc. Yeah maxing W is standard (maybe not always first), he was talking about maxing Q, E and R and having W as the not maxed skill. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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walrus
Vietnam68 Posts
I need to add one in my lolpro guide. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
I'm running 21/9/0 Masteries, flat AD reds and quints, Armor Yellows, Scaling MR Blues. Flash/Ignite Building [Starting items variable, usually DBlade] > Tabis/Mercs > Phage > Triforce > Randuin+Visage > More tank items -When I try to roam, I dont feel really useful in fights, I can 1v1 anyone but in larger fights I just get kited/focused down. -I tried pushing top all day, but even when I get their whole team to chase me around the map my team doesn't really manage to get objectives elsewhere. Should I: -Build more tanky to contribute better in fights? (9/21 masteries? Delaying triforce to get a tank item after phage?) -Communicate better with my team so that they actually do something else than staying under their tower when 4 people are trying/failing to gank me top? -Run Teleport instead of Ignite and do both? (I'm currently silver 3, though my mmr is probably a bit higher I dont play enough rankeds to stabilize and I'm still winning 30+points per win) tldr: Win lane, lose game, what do? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 27 2013 06:35 Amui wrote: thornmail is a terrible item until you have the EHP and armor to back it up. Basically you need randuin's + sunfire before thornmail even starts being a good option for preventing focus from ADC's. Basically any time you think you want Thornmail on any champ you probably want Frozen Heart instead On July 30 2013 03:39 Tula wrote: someone played Tiger/turtle against my pantheon. He maxed WQER because otherwise i'd still manage to outdps him and push him out of lane. After level 5 I didnt "win" a single 1v1 (doesnt mean he killed me either, but I couldn't bully him around which was surprising since i started with first blood on him). Only downside is that his midgame teamfights where slightly lackluster. Our team simply ignored him and he didnt have the damage to assassinate our adc. Pantheon falls off against Udyr really hard because Udyr can build full tank and still put out damage while Pantheon has to build damage. Even if you're like 3 kills ahead in first 10 minutes you can still lose when he comes to lane with Tabi/Warden/Chain Vest and suddenly he's unkillable by you. On September 03 2013 17:44 BobMcJohnson wrote: I'm playing quite a lot of Tiger Udyr toplane these days and while I crush my lane nearly every game i'm having troubles transitionning past that, and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do or when. I'm running 21/9/0 Masteries, flat AD reds and quints, Armor Yellows, Scaling MR Blues. Flash/Ignite Building [Starting items variable, usually DBlade] > Tabis/Mercs > Phage > Triforce > Randuin+Visage > More tank items -When I try to roam, I dont feel really useful in fights, I can 1v1 anyone but in larger fights I just get kited/focused down. -I tried pushing top all day, but even when I get their whole team to chase me around the map my team doesn't really manage to get objectives elsewhere. Should I: -Build more tanky to contribute better in fights? (9/21 masteries? Delaying triforce to get a tank item after phage?) -Communicate better with my team so that they actually do something else than staying under their tower when 4 people are trying/failing to gank me top? -Run Teleport instead of Ignite and do both? (I'm currently silver 3, though my mmr is probably a bit higher I dont play enough rankeds to stabilize and I'm still winning 30+points per win) tldr: Win lane, lose game, what do? If you want to be relevant in teamfights Triforce probably isn't the best way to go. Triforce is a dueling item and if you're gonna build him like that you probably want to be splitpushing a lot. I'm a sunfire fan personally. I think that Udyr turns into a peelbot for your ADC in teamfights and you just want to sit in the middle of everything getting bear and randuin procs on everyone every time it's available. I also run Ghost instead of Flash on Udyr. You shouldn't be having to flash initiate as a melee champ with barely any gapclose and only a single-target stun. Ghost will allow you to stick on targets better in teamfights even if they have escapes or blinks. Also 9/21/0 might be good because for melee champs the slow reduction/tenacity masteries are huge. I dunno though, the max QRE Udyr with full dps sounds fun too. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
I'll try going more 9/21 with ghost and leaving Phage as is until lategame. I actually barely ever build sunfire, i'll try that too, Randuin seems so much more cost efficient and the damage of sunfire seems quite low. How do you decide between the two? Or do you build both anyways? | ||
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