because you're losing on turtle stacks by the time you get to pheonix high ranks so you're eithe going to be super squishy or you'll have pheonix past the point you do most of your farming

there isnt a big advantage with having tiger early anyway

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

October 19 2013 21:01 GMT

#144

is the damage on phoenix at level 2-3 ganks appreciable compared to tiger? tiger seems like i do so much more

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

October 19 2013 21:23 GMT

#145

On October 20 2013 06:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
is the damage on phoenix at level 2-3 ganks appreciable compared to tiger? tiger seems like i do so much more

They're comparable, Tiger just has a way better ratio and its damage is more noticeable early, but youre losing alot of farming speed by maxing tiger over phoenix tho

Taktik

Poland680 Posts

October 26 2013 15:31 GMT

#146

So is Udyr like super strong now or smth? Just lost a game to him jungling (he ended with 11/0 score) couldnt 3v1 him at some point. Just beating people left and right. Dunno if it was just our composition or smth but he seems unkillable with just a doran blade and Spirit of golem. It looked like he maxed Tiger first and snowballed of first blood. But still he looked like a beast. Its weird cause one game he looks useless duo to us just having wards the other game he stomps everyone really hard.
Also i would like to try him out but im still confused about skill maxing order and using them xd
So if I want super early game I start doran blade and max Q first right?
If i dont want to do this I should max R?
Also in late game how should I be using skills in teamfights? E to stun, then Q for dmg and W to tank never using R in teamfights only for farming?

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

October 26 2013 15:32 GMT

#147

someone got fed and was really strong
this isnt champion specific

works on anyone
try it sometime

Taktik

Poland680 Posts

October 26 2013 15:36 GMT

#148

Well i never see sejuanis stomping like that ~~~Even if feed... oh they are never feed

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

October 26 2013 15:36 GMT

#149

they do, its just they do it in the form of cc and their team getting the kills

Taktik

Poland680 Posts

October 26 2013 15:38 GMT

#150

no what i mean is i never see sejuanis going around the map 1v3 people killing them etc. Shes more about utility even if feed
Also can u give me advice in my post earlier?

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

October 26 2013 15:39 GMT

#151

yeah but udyr has shit utility so he has to do something well

advice is to get more fed than udyr
or dont die to him in the first place, it's not he does anything sneaky, he just runs up and punches you until you are dead

Taktik

Poland680 Posts

October 26 2013 15:40 GMT

#152

well ty very much for ur advice sir very enlightning, any more? Just answer my question about skill orded and i wont waste ur time proffesor

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

October 26 2013 15:41 GMT

#153

you edited in the last bits i didnt read them.
you could just read the original post but ok:
max q or r your choice.
W before you run in then E then Q or R then W again then another E R is standard
dolans blade with q only, q starts rely on snowballing early.
if you get R skip Q until the end and if you get Q max you probably will never use R except to farm creep waves at level 16-18

Taktik

Poland680 Posts

October 26 2013 15:42 GMT

#154

unjugon

Spain119 Posts

January 09 2014 22:29 GMT

#155

Coming back to the Doran rings start in the jungle, I have been going 2 dorans-boots 1-Face of the Mountain-Merc Treads, then usually following it up with a sunfire. It´s gone well so far and the early dorans still feel good, but I am not sure of the effectiveness of the FoTM.

It feels good to tax a lane every couple minutes and give teammates health+gold -recently I have been making a conscious effort to push a tower down whenever opponents leave their lane, even if that might lead to a death elsewhere on the map. And those clutch saves with the shield. It seems like the stats are just what the doctor ordered for early-mid game jungler too.

Has anyone else toyed with the idea of Gp10 support items in the jungle?

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 09 2014 23:07 GMT

#156

Why would you do that when you can just get one of the jungle items? SotAG is so strong on him there's really no reason to get anything else, and you can't have both together.

unjugon

Spain119 Posts

January 09 2014 23:32 GMT

#157

Hey ZERG, I am that weird GP player going on about Liandry´s. In this particular case, the Doran rings work really well to give Udyr more punch early game, and SotAG surely isn´t as good as was before.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

January 10 2014 12:27 GMT

#158

its better

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

January 10 2014 13:19 GMT

#159

Then again, Lizard Elder is better too. Any chance getting SotEL might be preferable to Ancient Golem ever?

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

January 10 2014 13:20 GMT

#160

if you want to do the damages early

edit: spirit of the ancient golem 350 hp valued at 920 gold. Tenacity on it valued at 200 (delta from merc/ninja tabi) gold+10% reduce auto attack damage. Elder lizard valued at 1080 gold+the true damage.

40 gold -10% auto damage vs elder lizard proc. Weights for AD and hp vary but I would say AD becomes worse later as you'll get to auto less and hp becomes better because of higher burst damage.
also elder lizard is another 1k gold spent on damage that could have went toward getting trinity faster so that's going against it, but you do farm faster and do more burst in ganks