EPTOn October 04 2013 14:54 Simberto wrote:
Riven vs Renekton can actually work pretty well. At least i have been wrecked by Riven as Rene, but that might just be that i am not that good. But considering I am now in Diamond (WUWUWUWUWUWU) and i consider my rene toplane at least something i can reliably pick when i have to go top, it is not absurdly bad.
The main problem as Rene vs Riven are the first few levels, where she can bully you around. If Riven can get a large enough advantage out of that, it is really hard to get back into the lane. If you just let the first few levels be a farmfest, Rene gets a timing rather quickly where he just wrecks riven and there is not a lot she can do about that.
If you are not focussing on top as one of your main lanes, i'd suggest just learning 1-2 champions that you can play against pretty much anything, and pick them whenever you are forced to go top. Renekton is one of those, Riven probably also. A large championpool in one of your offlanes is not really that effective, since you will not play that lane very often, and if you then also swap champions all the time, you will never really understand what is going on. Pick 1-2 champions which are stable and rarely banned, and play only those whenever you are forced to go top. Don't counterpick outside of those 1-2 champions.
You must realize that playing time is limited, and the game shifts all the time. If you only play each champions once every 2 weeks, you will never get good with them, and each time you pick them you are probably in a situation that you have never seen before and are just winging it. That is not ideal. What you want is to reach the point where you can reliably predict how a lane will play out before it even started, and know how you should play it at each point in time, when you win trades, when you lose trade, and which crucial timings you need to abuse. That is only possible if you played the same matchup before, preferably multiple times. Which is only really possible if you play with a limited champion pool.
For example, my current champion pool is the following:
I pick Thresh when i am the first support to pick
Sona if Thresh is banned
Leona if the enemy picked Blitz
Zyra if the enemy picked Leona(or Taric)
Blitz if the enemy picked Sona or Nami
Sona if the enemy picked anything else
Renekton if i am toplane
J4 if i am jungle.
I actively try to avoid any other situation. I nearly never play mid or ADC, i counterpick in my main lane, though rarely since as a support main i usually pick before the enemy support. And i play exactly one champion in another lane. I should probably learn to play something i pick when the enemy picks renekton, but that happens surprisingly rarely, so much that up until now i didn't really have to worry about it.
Riven vs Renekton can actually work pretty well. At least i have been wrecked by Riven as Rene, but that might just be that i am not that good. But considering I am now in Diamond (WUWUWUWUWUWU) and i consider my rene toplane at least something i can reliably pick when i have to go top, it is not absurdly bad.
The main problem as Rene vs Riven are the first few levels, where she can bully you around. If Riven can get a large enough advantage out of that, it is really hard to get back into the lane. If you just let the first few levels be a farmfest, Rene gets a timing rather quickly where he just wrecks riven and there is not a lot she can do about that.
If you are not focussing on top as one of your main lanes, i'd suggest just learning 1-2 champions that you can play against pretty much anything, and pick them whenever you are forced to go top. Renekton is one of those, Riven probably also. A large championpool in one of your offlanes is not really that effective, since you will not play that lane very often, and if you then also swap champions all the time, you will never really understand what is going on. Pick 1-2 champions which are stable and rarely banned, and play only those whenever you are forced to go top. Don't counterpick outside of those 1-2 champions.
You must realize that playing time is limited, and the game shifts all the time. If you only play each champions once every 2 weeks, you will never get good with them, and each time you pick them you are probably in a situation that you have never seen before and are just winging it. That is not ideal. What you want is to reach the point where you can reliably predict how a lane will play out before it even started, and know how you should play it at each point in time, when you win trades, when you lose trade, and which crucial timings you need to abuse. That is only possible if you played the same matchup before, preferably multiple times. Which is only really possible if you play with a limited champion pool.
For example, my current champion pool is the following:
I pick Thresh when i am the first support to pick
Sona if Thresh is banned
Leona if the enemy picked Blitz
Zyra if the enemy picked Leona(or Taric)
Blitz if the enemy picked Sona or Nami
Sona if the enemy picked anything else
Renekton if i am toplane
J4 if i am jungle.
I actively try to avoid any other situation. I nearly never play mid or ADC, i counterpick in my main lane, though rarely since as a support main i usually pick before the enemy support. And i play exactly one champion in another lane. I should probably learn to play something i pick when the enemy picks renekton, but that happens surprisingly rarely, so much that up until now i didn't really have to worry about it.
Yeah i mean like, im really good overall on gameflow for every lane (relative to my ELO of course), how to trade, how to zone etc. You touched on my problem(s) due to not playing there often, knowing how some matchups SHOULD play out and comparing various power points along the laning phase, when can i take advantages and when to play passive. Honestly yeah, i should just pick up Renekton and call it a day, since it's the only common champ im kinda puzzled by since i've never played him at all, it'll help me in all my VS Renekton matchups as well
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