EPTAnd yeah, R makes you deceptively tanky in hammer form.
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
And yeah, R makes you deceptively tanky in hammer form. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I don't know, perhaps you're right, but I find that in most top lane trades, you're more likely going to be relying on the burst from EQ - shift to hammer - Q auto E than you are standing still and using W. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
kayle vs nidalee vs jayce vs teemo D: | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On July 31 2012 20:28 Sufficiency wrote: You have a good point, but I think W is safer for laning.... because your Q in cannon form is hit or miss, but you can't go wrong with autoattack enhancers (unless you are against Jax). In hammer form, you are not relying on your Q's damage anyway. eh. i would never max w before q or e. practice your q's through the gate and you will see how much damage they can do. who spends much time in hammer form anyway? being ranged is almost always better then melee in this game. i just go to hammer to get off my combo and then back to cannon asap. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 01 2012 00:50 Vaporized wrote: eh. i would never max w before q or e. practice your q's through the gate and you will see how much damage they can do. who spends much time in hammer form anyway? being ranged is almost always better then melee in this game. i just go to hammer to get off my combo and then back to cannon asap. W is mostly for his Hyper Charge (cannon form). His W in hammer form can also be useful for clearing waves. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2012 19:47 Sufficiency wrote: W is mostly for his Hyper Charge (cannon form). His W in hammer form can also be useful for clearing waves. I think that choice really depends on playstyle. I never play him like an AD carry, skirting edges of fights in Cannon and auto attacking. If you do, I can see W max being pretty good. I play him (and so do most people, I think) as a bruiser, most of my fighting time is spent in Hammer form, jumping around and smacking shit. I generally use Cannon only for laning, poking, and finishing off runners. However, one of Jayce's strongest points is that he has this super flexible playstyle, so whatever floats your boat is great as far as I can tell. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
It's still a toss up, though. Q is so good for just forcing them away or keeping them at bay that it's not even funny. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 02 2012 05:24 wei2coolman wrote: well i guess the main question is what form do you keep jayce in for the majority of the time? I'm usually thinking jayce as ranged for much of the early levels, because he doesnt' really get tanky till the first point into his ulti~, so my thinking process is centered around ranged jayce. You can't think that limited. He's both, and operates as both. His role is bruiser with the option to extend his range in exchange for defenses. Farming and harassing should be done from a range, but fighting and trading should be done in Hammer. Late game, poking is done in Cannon, but once the fight starts you should be changing as needed. Hammer to jump in the pack and dive the squishy, ranged to chase/finish off runners, switch back again for the speed boost. Jayce's natural power is his flexibility and adaptation. Whether he's filling the role of bot lane or top, his burst damage comes from Cannon EQ and Hammer Q-auto-E. While he can do very respectable damage by playing like a ranged AD and just standing there autoing in Cannon form, you're missing out on the whole power of his kit. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 02 2012 05:34 Requizen wrote: You can't think that limited. He's both, and operates as both. His role is bruiser with the option to extend his range in exchange for defenses. Farming and harassing should be done from a range, but fighting and trading should be done in Hammer. Late game, poking is done in Cannon, but once the fight starts you should be changing as needed. Hammer to jump in the pack and dive the squishy, ranged to chase/finish off runners, switch back again for the speed boost. Jayce's natural power is his flexibility and adaptation. Whether he's filling the role of bot lane or top, his burst damage comes from Cannon EQ and Hammer Q-auto-E. While he can do very respectable damage by playing like a ranged AD and just standing there autoing in Cannon form, you're missing out on the whole power of his kit. I try not to think that limited, but essentially from level 1-4, i'm generally in the ranged form, the melee form is only there for going all in for a kill, or harass that I know that I can't get retaliated on. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
But yeah, you're going to be doing most of your first few levels in Cannon, unless it's an easy lane where you can trade from level 1. I still don't think that discounts E max in some situations. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 02 2012 05:52 Requizen wrote: I go (Q or E) - (E or Q) - W - whichever I'm going to level first. I'll got Q first in lanes where I'll want ranged pushing power (vs Rumble, for instance, so I can deal with Flamespitter), E first in lanes where I feel confident slapping shit at level 1. But yeah, you're going to be doing most of your first few levels in Cannon, unless it's an easy lane where you can trade from level 1. I still don't think that discounts E max in some situations. I could see E max'd first being viable, but I think it's more niche pick than Q first. I'd definitely say I'd probably Q first 70-80% of the time. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 02 2012 05:52 Requizen wrote: I go (Q or E) - (E or Q) - W - whichever I'm going to level first. I'll got Q first in lanes where I'll want ranged pushing power (vs Rumble, for instance, so I can deal with Flamespitter), E first in lanes where I feel confident slapping shit at level 1. But yeah, you're going to be doing most of your first few levels in Cannon, unless it's an easy lane where you can trade from level 1. I still don't think that discounts E max in some situations. I never played this matchup before due to how broken Rumble was (not that I was afraid of the matchup, it's just that I happened to pick Rumble a lot instead. But I *think* when you E Rumble, he will turn away from you, thus negating some damage on you while you can run away. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
GA or Frozen Mallet being the 2 defensive options I like on him. Health works well on him because his resists and GA is GA. I am not sure which I like better. I have also gone BT -> Phage -> IE which also works well. If I am playing bot lane in team fights I generally stay in cannon form to start team fights and kiting and then when its cleanup time or if someone is really persistent in diving me/my team sucks | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
With an IE and 4 cloaks and 3% crit from runes he gets something like 2340 physical damage from 4 shots of W in ~1.6 seconds. Just not sure where to build from there. I will try it out. Obviously this doesn't build into anything. And trist gets 2.0 aspd with her Q, Pdancer, and levels at level 18. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 03 2012 07:46 obesechicken13 wrote: So someone mentioned this before but no aspd jayce can have decent physical burst. With an IE and 4 cloaks and 3% crit from runes he gets something like 2340 physical damage from 4 shots of W in ~1.6 seconds. Just not sure where to build from there. I will try it out. Obviously this doesn't build into anything. And trist gets 2.0 aspd with her Q, Pdancer, and levels at level 18. 5 BT + boots =D Or 4 BT + Executioner's Calling + boots | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 31 2012 08:09 Sufficiency wrote: Well, anything with innate high sustain and ranged harass Jayce can't deal with well. I never played against Yorick as Jayce but I would imagine it would be hell of a lane. I did play quit a few times against Nidalee and that was terrible too because Jayce can't out-trade her. This is strange because I feel like I can take yorick and nidalee as kayle but I can't take jayce on. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 19 2012 00:32 obesechicken13 wrote: This is strange because I feel like I can take yorick and nidalee as kayle but I can't take jayce on. Kayle has a slow, hits harder, and she has a heal, so that might be why. Against Nidalee as Jayce, if you just auto trade you lose (she heals); if you trade with hammer form she disengages with W and kite you. It's a nightmare of a lane. | ||
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