EPT[Champion] Shyvana - Page 7
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Terranasaur
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Gahlo
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I also like grabbing Wits right after Wriggles, you do so much damage so early. A thing of beauty. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On February 08 2012 20:09 Gahlo wrote: Page 6 of this thread. Thanks! was looking on my phone and the quotes buried that information. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Makavw
Croatia165 Posts
BY safe i mean - can trade hits with her equaly when they meet in jungle. Maybe lee sin? Shyvana totally dominates my riven and rammus when she finds me in jungle :/ | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
On February 10 2012 18:52 Makavw wrote: So who is "safe" against shyvana's counter jungling? BY safe i mean - can trade hits with her equaly when they meet in jungle. Maybe lee sin? Shyvana totally dominates my riven and rammus when she finds me in jungle :/ Udyr skarner and lee are all excellent jungle duelists. Maybe fiddlesticks too because she cant interrupt drain, but he is vulnerable to buffs being stolen because he is so slow. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also his ult doesn't care that much aout her free resists. Just wait until she turns into dragon form. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 10 2012 20:17 Alaric wrote: Trundle should be able too. He's not that slow on buffs once he's got wriggles thanks to an auto-attack reset and an AS steroid, plus even with CC you can't always catch him (not 1v1 anyway), so for Shyv who can only speed up herself... Also his ult doesn't care that much aout her free resists. Just wait until she turns into dragon form. With equal health/levels there's no way Trundle can stand up to her pre-6, after that perhaps because her tankiness is sort of removed with his ult, but even then if he doesn't pillar and force a trade/get free hits while she flees she can wait theu lt off and still probably beat him 1v1. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On February 10 2012 20:25 Zdrastochye wrote: With equal health/levels there's no way Trundle can stand up to her pre-6, after that perhaps because her tankiness is sort of removed with his ult, but even then if he doesn't pillar and force a trade/get free hits while she flees she can wait theu lt off and still probably beat him 1v1. Rather false. His Q neuters her damage. Hard. What is true, however, is that Trundle gets pretty mana starved if he's forced to W or E, and he'll be forced to W if he wants to keep up with shyv's W damage. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22190 Posts
She just pushes the lane strait into my tower and while W gives her all cs i miss a couple under the tower. Junglers have been pretty bad about ganking her but considering its solo Q its hardly a good option to trust in your jungler to have a chance in winning the lane. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:49 Gorsameth wrote: What can you do as Volibear top vs Shyvana. tried starting cloth 5 but her W just shreds me making any trading impossible. starting Null mantle didnt help either since with just 2 pots she can still reliably harass you down. She just pushes the lane strait into my tower and while W gives her all cs i miss a couple under the tower. Junglers have been pretty bad about ganking her but considering its solo Q its hardly a good option to trust in your jungler to have a chance in winning the lane. This has pretty much been the problem I ran against too. If you let her push, she shoves to your turret super fast with her w. If you push, she just clears the wave anyways. You can't trade favorably with her because of her innate tankiness and insane damage output. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 11 2012 07:37 L wrote: Trade as W ends. That's half of laning against her. The other half is hitting 6 and baiting her Dragon. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
any suggestions? or is it really just a play style type thing? Really like the way shyvana seems like she plays though | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:34 L wrote: Rather false. His Q neuters her damage. Hard. What is true, however, is that Trundle gets pretty mana starved if he's forced to W or E, and he'll be forced to W if he wants to keep up with shyv's W damage. Eugh, most of damage shyvana does is from her W and E damage anyway. It's gonna steal like what, 10 AD? Thats like 18 damage from her Q and 10 per auto hit, not a big deal. Trundle definitely can't 1v1 shyv in the jungle. | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:34 L wrote: Rather false. His Q neuters her damage. Hard. What is true, however, is that Trundle gets pretty mana starved if he's forced to W or E, and he'll be forced to W if he wants to keep up with shyv's W damage. Id say that avoiding fighting her in the jungle entirely is a good idea. Obviously that isnt always possible. Nobody really "wins" straight up against Shy, as suggested, some do pretty well though. If the Shy is very aggressively counter jungling you, the best way to deal with it is wards. If you ward entrances, say blue and wraithes entrance, you'll catch her going into your jungle most of the time. Then, you coordinate a gank with your lanes on her in your own jungle. Its important to warn your lanes that counter jungling might be an issue if your one of the more susceptible junglers to her countering, so that they know when you ping for help, you need them to hurry to your aid. On February 11 2012 07:13 dignity wrote: This has pretty much been the problem I ran against too. If you let her push, she shoves to your turret super fast with her w. If you push, she just clears the wave anyways. You can't trade favorably with her because of her innate tankiness and insane damage output. On February 11 2012 07:37 L wrote: Trade as W ends. That's half of laning against her. This. Her W is a pretty big deal, if you enage her with it down, you'll have a large advantage. Her E is another important point, the armour shread can significantly increase her damage against you. I suspect that in general, Voli v Shy will be a really hard lane to win as Voli. Work on creeping under the tower as best you can, and learning the right times to trade. Ask your jungle for more ganks! :D On February 12 2012 20:06 arb wrote: Was thinking of buying either shyv or skarner for my next jungle,(have most of the others except for those 2 + nocturne) and dunno which one to get any suggestions? or is it really just a play style type thing? Really like the way shyvana seems like she plays though I'd recommend Shy for sure, obviously I'm somewhat bias, but she is a very fun champ. Skarner is a reasonably strong solo Q champ, but if the enemy team is coordinated, he becomes less effective. I really enjoy Shy because of her versatility, you can stay in your own jungle farming if thats what your comfortable with, or counter jungle to really mess with others. She does well with a strong understanding of other jungle champs and their power curves and routes, so that you know when best to counter jungle. She promotes map and jungle control, by being very mobile, and if you can learn to use this, shes very strong. The most fun with Shy is her mid game, you can have a really fun time in the mid game where shes at her strongest. Usually a strong mid game leads to a reasonable late game (If the game actually gets that far) which means shes still strong as the game progresses. Skarner is a very different champ to Shy. He clears pretty well, but because of his strong slows and his ult, you can take advantage of that best by ganking a lot more. In my opinion Skarner has a much harder mid and late game to learn, as he is a very positional champion (keeping people off your own carries versus diving carries and initiating fights with your ult). He is a very strong champ, especially in solo Q, but I feel that hes harder to learn, and harder to master. He cant carry a game on his back like Shy can, (Or, not nearly as well anyway) but with a good team and good play, he makes a very valuable addition to a team. Oh, and Shyvana turns into a dragon. Seriously, shouldnt that have decided it for you?  | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
On February 12 2012 21:01 Slayer91 wrote: Eugh, most of damage shyvana does is from her W and E damage anyway. It's gonna steal like what, 10 AD? Thats like 18 damage from her Q and 10 per auto hit, not a big deal. Trundle definitely can't 1v1 shyv in the jungle. One thing Trundle can do though is draw the fight out somewhat, and get backup from a lane. Hes also one of the only champs who has a decent chance of running away from Shy, which is also a pretty big benefit. Most other champs dont have the move speed to match, but with his W, and then his E to slow, trundle has a good chance of getting away. Possibly not the best situation to be always running from someone in your own jungle, but hopefully your lanes will catch on and catch Shy out. I feel that whilst Shy probably wins in most situations 1v1 in the jungle, it wouldnt be always a win, Trundle can do reasonable damage and what items and the order that they're being built in as well as levels, may be pretty important as they're a close match. | ||
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