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Have more or less settled on
21/0/9, Smite/Flash, Armor quint + yellow and aspd red + blue (though I might shift quints again not sure, will need to juggle numbers).
Boot + 3 pot opening
Wolf -> Blue, you want a really good leash on blue, if you can get a quick blue with minimal HP loss you can really hammer the other jungler.
-> enemy wraith if HP permits, then your own wraith and minigol, unless you have spare HP and/or against slow jungler (ie. Fiddle/WW) then you can just snag their minigol, by the time they realize both are gone if they try to come to your wraith you can catch them (and beat them 1v1) else you have a fresh creep set on your side.
If you just nab wraith -> clear then after backing you can usually buy Vamp and then do Wolf -> Red -> w/e you want.
Priority of items after Boot is Vamp > LS > Cloth obviously, but you preferably buy at least one health pot to try to top off for ganks.
#1 is to counterjungle until 6 (and beyond) - the faster you get to 6, and the slower the opponent gets to 6, the better. Post-6 you have some nifty red-buff ganks due to having double flash + ghost.
Wriggle -> Treads (can get Oracle before finishing Treads if you feel safe due to double flash) -> Giant's Belt -> Chainvest -> Atma's Impaler -> Warmog -> Bloodthirster is the order I generally go, although to be honest I have no idea which BF Sword item is actually the best due to games rarely getting that deep.
Opposing junglers you hate: Olaf (can actually beat you straight-up early on wtfhax), Rammus, Udyr (clears as fast), Trynd (snare > ghost, can't really take 1v1 due to ult)
Opposing junglers you destroy: LS, Fiddle, WW, Noc, Cho, etc.
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Prior to the jungle hotfix, I could run Boots+3 opening jungle Shyvana and just never stop farming all day long. Now, with the slightly higher damage coming out of the mobs, I can't seem to do a clear of the jungle without a decent pull at wolves and blue. I was running 21/0/9 for movement speed and extra damage. However, I tend not to play Shyvana as a damage dealer and play her more as a tanky dps. Sorta mirroring Saint's build of Boots->Wriggles->Boots 2->Wit's End->Atmog->Triforce. I don't often get to the end, but I have before a couple times.
I really want to make this Boots opening work without having to rely on a strong pull at blue/wolves. But I think it might take changing masteries, but I don't want to give up movement speed. Anyone have some new jungle starts/routes they like on Shyv?
TL;DR:
Spec: 21/0/9
Runes: ArPen Quints, ASpd Reds/Blues, Armor Yellow
Boots + 3
Route: Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Golems->Wolves->Wraiths->Red (ideally, but now I seem to run out of steam at Golems).
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Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though.
Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. 
And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any?
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On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any?
I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno...
Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here
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On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here
I watched Westrice play lane Shyvana and it's all about the E. I believe you still max W first but you have to land your E's. If you do, the damage + the 15% armor debuff + the on-hit extra damage is just too strong. I think he went Wriggles into Boots 2 into Wit's End. Once you get that attack speed you just chunk people so hard. W + E is just really strong in trades. If you miss your E's though you're probably going to get pushed around quite badly.
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On December 12 2011 22:43 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here I watched Westrice play lane Shyvana and it's all about the E. I believe you still max W first but you have to land your E's. If you do, the damage + the 15% armor debuff + the on-hit extra damage is just too strong. I think he went Wriggles into Boots 2 into Wit's End. Once you get that attack speed you just chunk people so hard. W + E is just really strong in trades. If you miss your E's though you're probably going to get pushed around quite badly.
Sure, hitting the E's helps a lot, but you can do it from point blank if your getting into an actual fight, or poke with it at other times. Even if you dont hit it, your still pretty strong. Basically Shyvana trades ridiculously well because she can get to (w sprint) and burst (AA + double AA from Q) a person really easily. In a straight up fight she beats most people because her sustained damage is high (w/e) and can surprise with the burst/distance closure from her ult. She's a very strong top laner and I cant think of any lanes I straight up lose.
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On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here
wat, defensive stats dont suffer diminishing returns. She's basically like udyr and has to more/less run at ppl to engage with them, and so ends up taking a lot of damage on the way in. Dont see any way around building some bulk on her.
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On December 13 2011 07:42 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here wat, defensive stats dont suffer diminishing returns. She's basically like udyr and has to more/less run at ppl to engage with them, and so ends up taking a lot of damage on the way in. Dont see any way around building some bulk on her.
When you build Shyv tanky, just stack health. No need to get MR/Defence because your passives gives you them. So just grab a Warmogs.
I do think Shy can outlane pretty well any champ if you play it right. I think E is easily her best skill by far. Increaeses 'W' damage too. Great to harrass as well, I like to get it pretty early (by three) or even first if I am laning against a ranged champ.
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On December 13 2011 14:19 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:42 barbsq wrote:On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here wat, defensive stats dont suffer diminishing returns. She's basically like udyr and has to more/less run at ppl to engage with them, and so ends up taking a lot of damage on the way in. Dont see any way around building some bulk on her. When you build Shyv tanky, just stack health. No need to get MR/Defence because your passives gives you them. So just grab a Warmogs. I do think Shy can outlane pretty well any champ if you play it right. I think E is easily her best skill by far. Increaeses 'W' damage too. Great to harrass as well, I like to get it pretty early (by three) or even first if I am laning against a ranged champ.
Are you sure? So you are telling me the 15% extra magic damage on every AA works on every tick of her W as well?
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On December 13 2011 07:42 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here wat, defensive stats dont suffer diminishing returns. She's basically like udyr and has to more/less run at ppl to engage with them, and so ends up taking a lot of damage on the way in. Dont see any way around building some bulk on her.
What I mean by that is that with Wriggles/Aegis and her ulti Shyvana hits ~200 armor/mres easily. Buying any more armor/mres suffers huge diminshing returns as each point of armor/mres barely gives you any increase in survivability. Shyvana should probably be stacking HP and damage imo.
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On December 13 2011 14:38 warscythes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 14:19 iCanada wrote:On December 13 2011 07:42 barbsq wrote:On December 12 2011 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 12 2011 18:53 Gaslo wrote:Does Shyvana really win against Riven on lane? I was listening to Westrices stream, and i thought he said something like "i tried it, Riven cant even touch Shyvana". I was doing something else at the time, so i am not sure though. Because if its true, and this dragonlady is the solution to the problem that has been making me cry for some time now, i know where i will put my RP:s. And how is her laning against other champions? Does she win any lanes 100-0, lose any? I can't imagine how Shyv would be able to beat Riven... I guess W max and use it to harass? With enough points in it you *might be able to outtrade Riven...but iunno... Recently I've been wondering if Black Cleaver or some other glass cannon-y build would be good on Shyvana. Seeing how she gets SO MUCH free defensive stats from her ulti, it doesn't make all that much sense to build her tanky due to diminishing returns on defensive stats. I don't really play Shyv tho so just theorycraftin here wat, defensive stats dont suffer diminishing returns. She's basically like udyr and has to more/less run at ppl to engage with them, and so ends up taking a lot of damage on the way in. Dont see any way around building some bulk on her. When you build Shyv tanky, just stack health. No need to get MR/Defence because your passives gives you them. So just grab a Warmogs. I do think Shy can outlane pretty well any champ if you play it right. I think E is easily her best skill by far. Increaeses 'W' damage too. Great to harrass as well, I like to get it pretty early (by three) or even first if I am laning against a ranged champ. Are you sure? So you are telling me the 15% extra magic damage on every AA works on every tick of her W as well?
It sure feels like it does. There aren't many trades you lose when they have the debuff and you're rocking W. That includes Riven for most of the game, actually. Only one you lose to is Mundo with his fireball shield. Stupid mundo...
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21/9/0
Red - 9x ASpd
Yel - 9x Armour
Blu - 9x MR/Lvl
Qui - 3x MSpd
Starting Boots+3Pots or Vamp Scepter - I've been wanting to try this setup out for a few nights now, but for some reason Shyv has been a bit of a craze and she's always picked before me -.-
I'm wanting to try out a Boots, Wriggles, Bruta, Boots 2, Wits end, Atmogs, Ghostblade out, is their any reason people don't pick bruta up on her? It all seems to be relevant, AD is worth alot due to scaling + double strike ARpen is always nice and CDR is HUGE for her DPS, what do you guys think?
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Just went jungle shyvana in a normal, first time ever jungling her, started boots +3 gotta a really shitty pull on blue, 1 auto attack, and i had went wolves first so i ended up going wolves-blue-wraiths-wolves B wraiths red gank top.
Ended up doing well I went wriggles -> wits end ->mercs -> giants belt -> chain mail then finished atmas and was working on warmogs when game ended.
was 7-3-9
felt pretty fun and decent for me having 0 clue what i was doing
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k so can we get this thread back on "how to build shyv propery" instead of "I just built her xy for the first time and did well!"
BECAUSE I WANT TO BUILD HER FOR THE FIRST TIME QQ
@Southlight: Why 9 util over 9 defense? Buff duration makes not that much sense and def should give her moar sustain.
What item build? Boots -> HoG -> Oracle -> Health -> Wits End -> Atmogs? ... Does she really need wriggles?
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I always find myself getting a dorans shield or two on shyv. Dunno why, feels like some health regen in the jungle is just needed to efficiently use your health pool in ganks. Something like boots-->1-2 dshields-->wits end then like frozen mallet atmas or something.
Shyvana is one of those champs I'd actually want at least phage on because of how hard she sustains damage but has trouble staying in range especially when you can't keep your W up.
I'd naturally go 9/21/0 on shyvana, because a hybrid who relies on a mix or autos, magic damage autos, spells and physical damage spells has a hard time getting the most out of offensive tree, while the stats in defensive tree are all great on her.
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On January 17 2012 23:58 Slayer91 wrote:
I always find myself getting a dorans shield or two on shyv. Dunno why, feels like some health regen in the jungle is just needed to efficiently use your health pool in ganks. Something like boots-->1-2 dshields-->wits end then like frozen mallet atmas or something.
Shyvana is one of those champs I'd actually want at least phage on because of how hard she sustains damage but has trouble staying in range especially when you can't keep your W up.
I'd naturally go 9/21/0 on shyvana, because a hybrid who relies on a mix or autos, magic damage autos, spells and physical damage spells has a hard time getting the most out of offensive tree, while the stats in defensive tree are all great on her.
Hmm... right now I'm getting an early vampscepter on her for the sustain but I'll try a DShield instead. Phage makes loads of sense, also atm I'm trying to get an Oracle as soon as I hit 6 cause her pre 6 gank rivals WW and her post 6 gank rivals... um... Udyr? Well, better, but still welp.
Why does no one build any CDR on her at all? At least a Kindlegem (instead of HoG) or a Brutalizer should make sense in theory. Also my guess is that Aegis -> Warmogs should perform reasonably well on her if the game doesn't go that well.
Right now I'm basicly just maxin W, afkfarmin and getting random components of Wits/Warmogs/Atmas, somehow get that crap way before the enemy jungle and win game. =S
But I gotta say, wow, her teamfights presence feels retardedly strong. It's SUP BITCHES all over the place. <3
Edit: Anyone playing her top regularly? My gut says that's where she really shines and so far she feels to me like a more annoying version of singed. ;X
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Nothing good to build out of kindlegem, bruta doesn't make much sense becaues of her hybrid damage. Glacial is a mana item. All the good cdr items usually have something to do with mana. SV is kinda crappy in general. Too bad.
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I know I have asked this before but the answer wasn't answered because he was not sure so I will ask again here.
Does burnout ticks count for the 15% magic damage on her E as well? Basically everytime burnout ticks on a target marked with her E, does the target take the 15% extra magic damage?
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It says only on auto attacks, read the description? 
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On January 18 2012 04:12 Slayer91 wrote:It says only on auto attacks, read the description?
I know, but somebody told me her W procs it too and it got be confused.
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