EPTQ has always been maxed last, E is so strong
[Champion] Shyvana - Page 14
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Q has always been maxed last, E is so strong | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
It is actually pretty damn fast. Also kills blue/red much faster. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Q already gets reduced cooldown from autos.and doesnt deal nearly as much damage | ||
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
Edit: Talking about laning her btw, wasn't really obvious ^^ | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:09 Solaris.playgu wrote: I´m wondering if Wit´s is still worth getting on her? Afterall she benefits a ton from the AS, and the on-hit damage is great with her q. Maybe against ap-laners or teams? Or do you think it´s completely nerfed to the ground and I would be better off just building a hexdrinker? Edit: Talking about laning her btw, wasn't really obvious ^^ Wit's got raped, Recurve got raped, get BORK if you're looking for AS+OnHit. Besides, also fixes the problem that Shyvana has of no sustain. Hexdrinker or Giant's Belt or Aegis are better if you need resilence vs. magic damage. Remember AD increases your W burn damage, too. | ||
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dogmatix
Australia339 Posts
Can be vulnerable early to ranged harass but just straight up BotRK rush with maybe a dblade thrown in and you become an unstoppable split pushing, counter jungling and 1v1 dueling monster. Then I usually get defensive boots, tiamat/hydra and mallet and by then we have won the game. R>W>E>Q with 21/9/0 and AD/AD/armor/mr. I'm only silver though so anyone got thoughts on how to improve the build? | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On May 19 2013 12:45 dogmatix wrote: So i've started playing shyvana top in ranked and it's going much better than I thought it would. Can be vulnerable early to ranged harass but just straight up BotRK rush with maybe a dblade thrown in and you become an unstoppable split pushing, counter jungling and 1v1 dueling monster. Then I usually get defensive boots, tiamat/hydra and mallet and by then we have won the game. R>W>E>Q with 21/9/0 and AD/AD/armor/mr. I'm only silver though so anyone got thoughts on how to improve the build? Strangely enough I see Dyrus playing Shyvana top with a similar approach (bork rush), but I really just dont get how she's good vs the more popular top picks. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Because you don't have built in sustain, but your early fight power is so strong, you basically are looking to just dump on them in an all-in early to get control of the lane. You're also kinda vulnerable to jungle ganks pre-6 because even though you have good wave control, you kinda chill in the middle of the enemy creeps for an extended period of time to push hard, and you like going all-in 1v1 which means you have to be careful about getting baited into a 2v1. If you get behind, get your vamp scepter then just tank up with Locket and possibly Zeke's (Shyvana is a great Zeke's carrier!) and look to bring your huge base aoe damage and meatiness into teamfights. Favorite teammates: Orianna, Diana - Shyvana does huge aoe damage in dragon form, especially as a top laner who has the freedom to buy some offensive items (up there with Rumble and MF) but she needs "help" clustering people up. Like Rumble, she can provide the aoe damage half of "Press R to win" but you REALLY need your allies to bring the "CC" part - though the 'carry' effect of Dragon's Descent works really well with ball delivery for Command:Shockwave. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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walrus
Vietnam68 Posts
Now I buy Madred at 1st recall if i expect dealing with physical damage, or buy Vamp Scep (Cutlass later). Then buy Warmog/Locket, get Aegis/Bulwark, then Randuin/BotRK. | ||
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Cheap0
United States540 Posts
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
She brings absolutely no CC..... | ||
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walrus
Vietnam68 Posts
On June 26 2013 14:20 GhostOwl wrote: What reason is there to pick Shyvanna over other tanky tops? She brings absolutely no CC..... She is an okay jungler and will be reworked in 3.9, I often pick her at Platinum and do well. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On June 26 2013 11:47 walrus wrote: I don't think Shyvana need Spirit items, because she doesn't require mana regen, nor AOE clearing. Also CDR is kinda waste on her (Dragon form only scales with AS), so Spirit Golem is meh. Now I buy Madred at 1st recall if i expect dealing with physical damage, or buy Vamp Scep (Cutlass later). Then buy Warmog/Locket, get Aegis/Bulwark, then Randuin/BotRK. Saint had a video where he went LS2 and picked up Boots/Vamp on back. Seemed pretty strong. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 26 2013 11:47 walrus wrote: I don't think Shyvana need Spirit items, because she doesn't require mana regen, nor AOE clearing. Also CDR is kinda waste on her (Dragon form only scales with AS), so Spirit Golem is meh. Now I buy Madred at 1st recall if i expect dealing with physical damage, or buy Vamp Scep (Cutlass later). Then buy Warmog/Locket, get Aegis/Bulwark, then Randuin/BotRK. shyvana is going to be my next "project" to relearn after i get my udyr fix out of the way. but from my knowledge of s2 shyvana, i want to say that i think that "cdr is a waste on her" is pretty wrong. while you're right that dragon form DOES scale with AS, you have to remember that her AS, in a way, also scales with CDR. as she will get 2 hits worth of dragonrage from using her Q, having her Q on cd for a shorter time means faster dragon as well  additionally, dragonform is not necessarily her best skill anyway. i think having W always available (for chasing or fleeing) is a huge necessity on her, and CDR definitely helps there. anyway, gonna do testing on silver-level shyvana soon and i'll be posting here. | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
I feel that if you do play her as a farm jungler though, a aegis/zeke's/mallet core would make her pretty fantastic at peeling and provide a lot of team stats. The new wits end is also fantastic on her (old wits end was great anyway) and I could see Zephyr working pretty sweet as well if you were going for non-merc boots. I've been wanted to try some form of boots start with util masteries for ls/spell vamp, and seeing if its possible to play her as a farm jungler and skip a standard jungle item in favour of Zeke's If you're going to build a jungle item though, I feel that wriggles and golem both have a place. Wriggles (or razors) feel really nice on Shy for clear, but clearing is something she's never had problems with | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
Anybody try have hybrid marks and quints? I want to test out 6 hybrid/3 as marks & 3 hybrid quints for the 12 armorpen + higher magic damage on early ganks but I don't have 6k ip to drop on the quints. =[ | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
As for the hybrid runes, it's a pretty significant investment as you point out, if you don't regularly play Shy or other champs who use them, it's probably not worth it. Personally I'm a massive fan of movement speed quints on Shy. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On July 20 2013 20:01 Wetty wrote: BotRK is great and all, but also really expensive on jungle income. It is a fantastic choice for a damage item if you can afford it, but I've always built Shy moderately tanky, so finding the gold for BotRK would be tricky. As for the hybrid runes, it's a pretty significant investment as you point out, if you don't regularly play Shy or other champs who use them, it's probably not worth it. Personally I'm a massive fan of movement speed quints on Shy. With her passive, I feel she can be a bit more aggressive in early item choices. Cutlass helps her ganking greatly. | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
On July 20 2013 20:05 Gahlo wrote: With her passive, I feel she can be a bit more aggressive in early item choices. Cutlass helps her ganking greatly. Very true, and phage does suck now :/ | ||
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