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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Killing things faster is good enough sustain. Shy clears fast enough that she doesn't really take damage, and just buy pots for the rest. If you're really having issues, buy a Vamp and just hold it until you build it into a Zeke's. Armor and clear speed should take care of the rest. Edit: of course this all changes in a few weeks when new jungle comes out. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Without sustain what do you mean? I buy potions every back. I run AD marks/quints armor yellows and MR/level blues and have no issues. If you are for some reason (idk why) buy a vamp and save it for: On November 17 2012 05:03 Requizen wrote: Killing things faster is good enough sustain. Shy clears fast enough that she doesn't really take damage, and just buy pots for the rest. If you're really having issues, buy a Vamp and just hold it until you build it into a Zeke's. Armor and clear speed should take care of the rest. Edit: of course this all changes in a few weeks when new jungle comes out. ZEKES THANK YOU HOLY SHIT brain fart op plz nerf | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Started boots 3, bought a ruby crystal and a vamp scepter on my 1st back. (i got a kill.) Proceeded into Phage -> Zekes -> Aegis -> Tabi -> Frozen Mallet because I needed more health -> Hex drinker -> Won game ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/ojl3kn.jpg) | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35126 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
At my ELO people suck at farming, so I was usually able to keep up with CS (though I don't know how closely average jungle minion value is to average lane minion value). While Shyv seems pretty strong in 1v1s and late-game teamfights, I definitely felt like her sticking power was lacking. Does anyone here still play a lot of Shyv? Also, is counter-jungling with her still a worthwhile thing to do in solo queue? It seemed like the camp respawn times were short enough that it wasn't much of an advantage for myself to steal enemy camps, and the risk of getting caught seems pretty high. Finally, how do people think she compares with Mundo in s3? I had the feeling that late-game Mundo is just more of a threat in team fights and had better early ganks, though Shyv did seem stronger early to mid game if it comes to a head-on fight. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Vi also has no need for expensive hybrid pen runes | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On February 14 2013 04:39 sob3k wrote: I think Vi really outclasses shyv now in her niche of really fast, bruiser jungle. Vi is definitely way faster clear, more flexible mobility, and her ganks are alot stronger, especially after 6. Teamfighting they are pretty similar initators, both have a nice armor shred, but Vi has the option to have a big disable. Vi also absolutely solo wrecks dragon super safely, which is a huge benefit if you arent coordinated or are trying to carry scrubs. Vi also has really nice AD ratios so you are a lot more flexible in that you CAN build assasin level damage on her if you need to, but also gets synergy with large health pools making her free shield mega fat. Vi also has no need for expensive hybrid pen runes Vi clearing faster than Shyv? That's certainly not what it felt like to me; maybe I was running the wrong runes. I also don't think Shyv needs hybrid pen runes, at least I've never had any problems (or felt slow) without them. I agree that Vi seems to outclass Shyv in general, I just enjoy trying to find strong picks that aren't FotM, so I was looking to Shyv to see whether she still is as strong a jungler as she used to be. It feels like she's suffered from the fact that everyone can jungle more easily now, plus the general mobility/cc creep that makes it even harder for her to stick to targets. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 14 2013 06:16 Requizen wrote: She has fine single target damage between an armor shred, AS steroid, and a reset/double attack. She can blow up single mobs really fast just fine. Yes but her clear time suffered because when the health was more evenly distributed throughout the camp everything would die to W and the big one to autos + W. Now that the health is mostly in the big creep she still kills the small ones, but takes longer on the big ones so she takes more damage and is a bit slower. That is how I felt anyway, I used to love jungling Shyv. She seemed quite lackluster when I tried her earlier this season. I also dislike wriggles on her and really liked the old Zekes to Wriggles being a requirement (or at least madreds,) effects my judgement. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Any tips on the build beside BotrK ? I try to build mallet when I get the occasion, if not I prefer Randuin for the smooth build path. I don't really know how to build her tanking effectively. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 14 2013 09:13 Bladeorade wrote: Yes but her clear time suffered because when the health was more evenly distributed throughout the camp everything would die to W and the big one to autos + W. Now that the health is mostly in the big creep she still kills the small ones, but takes longer on the big ones so she takes more damage and is a bit slower. That is how I felt anyway, I used to love jungling Shyv. She seemed quite lackluster when I tried her earlier this season. I also dislike wriggles on her and really liked the old Zekes to Wriggles being a requirement (or at least madreds,) effects my judgement. I wonder if the correct response to this is to skimp levels on W instead of maxing it? Maybe with a few more points in E you can even it back out, W still killing the smalls while your single target damage is higher on the big one. I'll try it out a bit, I'm thinking R>W=E>Q. Edit: nevermind Zeke's if your're going BOTRK, you already have a vamp item. Locket + Mallet or Locket + Warmogs? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Started Machete 5 into vamp into bilgewater, boots 1 into botrk. Went mercs because I was facing a lot of AP and CC then proceeded to Warmogs, Frozen Mallet and was working on Randuins when we won. I went 8-0-13 so clearly this build was a little expensive but I had so much gold haha. I really liked botrk I feel it is a good replacement for Old Zekes and the AoE %hp on top of aoe armor shred is really strong. It really increases her damage and I felt it helped me snowball. This of course just from 1 game but I have a lot of experience with Shyvana last season. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:40 Bladeorade wrote: Okay so reporting back on Shyvana after the most recent botrk change, this is in the jungle: Started Machete 5 into vamp into bilgewater, boots 1 into botrk. Went mercs because I was facing a lot of AP and CC then proceeded to Warmogs, Frozen Mallet and was working on Randuins when we won. I went 8-0-13 so clearly this build was a little expensive but I had so much gold haha. I really liked botrk I feel it is a good replacement for Old Zekes and the AoE %hp on top of aoe armor shred is really strong. It really increases her damage and I felt it helped me snowball. This of course just from 1 game but I have a lot of experience with Shyvana last season. That that with Q-max? EDIT: Just did some testing, and just farming the jungle gets you Cutless in like 7 minutes starting Machete+5 and then just Q maxing. Q-W-Q-E, R>Q>E>W You farm way faster than they Camps could possibly farm, and just one point in W kills small wraiths til about the 10 minute mark. I could see just the sheer amount of free ganking time you have being really strong in terms of putting out map pressure. Even with Cutlass you not a big big threat, but someone can't exactly hard engage top/mid when you can dragon in and win the fight with your run fast & cutlass slow. | ||
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