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On February 12 2012 21:01 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:34 L wrote:On February 10 2012 20:25 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 10 2012 20:17 Alaric wrote:
Trundle should be able too. He's not that slow on buffs once he's got wriggles thanks to an auto-attack reset and an AS steroid, plus even with CC you can't always catch him (not 1v1 anyway), so for Shyv who can only speed up herself...
Also his ult doesn't care that much aout her free resists. Just wait until she turns into dragon form. With equal health/levels there's no way Trundle can stand up to her pre-6, after that perhaps because her tankiness is sort of removed with his ult, but even then if he doesn't pillar and force a trade/get free hits while she flees she can wait theu lt off and still probably beat him 1v1. Rather false. His Q neuters her damage. Hard. What is true, however, is that Trundle gets pretty mana starved if he's forced to W or E, and he'll be forced to W if he wants to keep up with shyv's W damage. Eugh, most of damage shyvana does is from her W and E damage anyway. It's gonna steal like what, 10 AD? Thats like 18 damage from her Q and 10 per auto hit, not a big deal. Trundle definitely can't 1v1 shyv in the jungle.
10 is level 1 Q. Its 13 at 2, 15 at 3.
At level 3, that means you're losing 24 damage from Q, 13 from autos. Trundle, meanwhile, is sitting on a 20% attack speed steroid and +25 damage.
Shyv cannot make a prolonged exchange unless trundle's significantly hurt, but that's irrelevant because her EWaaQ burst is WAY higher than aaQ from trundle, and burnout lets her disengage at will. If trundle needs to force an exchange, he's forced to EW, but even EW is irrelevant because even if shyv is forced to eat 2 extra autos when getting out because of pillar/contaminate, pillar's cooldown is twice as long as burnout's, which means she can hop right back in when none of his steroids are up and dragon punch him in the face again.
Trundle can't keep tossing down contaminate and pillar without being forced to return to base, either; the more he needs to use pillar and contaminate defensively in the jungle, the less mana he has to clear and gank with. And lets be entirely honest, past the first blue, he isnt' getting any and his utility is very much dependent on his pillar's availability.
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How's it recommended to build her now?
I've been going wriggles wits boots then situational tanky items?
or is wriggles wits boots phage atmas blah blah good?
also for runes?
using ad red armor yellow mr/l blues and as quints
or ist here something that works a bit better?
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On February 16 2012 02:47 arb wrote:
How's it recommended to build her now?
I've been going wriggles wits boots then situational tanky items?
or is wriggles wits boots phage atmas blah blah good?
also for runes?
using ad red armor yellow mr/l blues and as quints
or ist here something that works a bit better?
Item build hasn't changed much.
Open Boots, Wriggle's, HoG, Wit's, Phage. I like Mallet on Shy because of her total lack of CC.
Runes is usually personal preference.
I run AD, AD, Flat Armor, AS. I focus more counter jungling and dragon control until I have my core built up to Phage and feel somewhat tanky.
saint runs AS, AD, Flat Armor, MR/Level. He aggros a lot more than I would, so MR Glyphs help him there.
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I think mr/lvl is better simply because its more free defensive stats on a character who makes her living by outscaling enemy damage.
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How has people figuring out M5's playstyle affected Shyvana's top lane? Is she still a good pick top? Or should she stick to jungling?
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On February 16 2012 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 02:47 arb wrote:
How's it recommended to build her now?
I've been going wriggles wits boots then situational tanky items?
or is wriggles wits boots phage atmas blah blah good?
also for runes?
using ad red armor yellow mr/l blues and as quints
or ist here something that works a bit better? Item build hasn't changed much. Open Boots, Wriggle's, HoG, Wit's, Phage. I like Mallet on Shy because of her total lack of CC. Runes is usually personal preference. I run AD, AD, Flat Armor, AS. I focus more counter jungling and dragon control until I have my core built up to Phage and feel somewhat tanky. saint runs AS, AD, Flat Armor, MR/Level. He aggros a lot more than I would, so MR Glyphs help him there.
what route do you go?
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United States37500 Posts
On February 16 2012 13:05 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:On February 16 2012 02:47 arb wrote:
How's it recommended to build her now?
I've been going wriggles wits boots then situational tanky items?
or is wriggles wits boots phage atmas blah blah good?
also for runes?
using ad red armor yellow mr/l blues and as quints
or ist here something that works a bit better? Item build hasn't changed much. Open Boots, Wriggle's, HoG, Wit's, Phage. I like Mallet on Shy because of her total lack of CC. Runes is usually personal preference. I run AD, AD, Flat Armor, AS. I focus more counter jungling and dragon control until I have my core built up to Phage and feel somewhat tanky. saint runs AS, AD, Flat Armor, MR/Level. He aggros a lot more than I would, so MR Glyphs help him there. what route do you go?
Wraith, Red, Gank or Golems.
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Out of curiosity, what masteries do you run in jungle? 0/21/9?
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This champion is imbalanced.
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i'm kicking myself for not buying her on sale a month ago. (i'm cheapskate)
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buy with ip. That's how u supposed to do it. Still have forever to abuse this ez mode champion
Yes, I'm late to the bandwagon.
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Considering most of her damage is magic I'd think it'd be best to go for defensive runes? You do so much aoe dmg in dragon form by just staying alive and being on top of people.
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On February 25 2012 15:12 0123456789 wrote:
buy with ip. That's how u supposed to do it. Still have forever to abuse this ez mode champion
Yes, I'm late to the bandwagon.
yeah, you have at least 3 patches left before they nerf her. i think riven nerfs took 5 patches after she got "noticed"
On February 25 2012 15:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Considering most of her damage is magic I'd think it'd be best to go for defensive runes? You do so much aoe dmg in dragon form by just staying alive and being on top of people.
21/9/0 is the only way to go
she gets so much free defense that overstacking the defense tree is a total waste
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I remember watching saint's stream some time back (like a week or two) and he said he feels lategame when you have you mallet and stuff, getting a MBR+chainvest is better than getting atmas on her if you have good farm. What's the logic behind his statement?
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On February 27 2012 13:38 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
I remember watching saint's stream some time back (like a week or two) and he said he feels lategame when you have you mallet and stuff, getting a MBR+chainvest is better than getting atmas on her if you have good farm. What's the logic behind his statement?
MBR probably yields more damage than just an Atmas. MBR also costs twice as much hence the "if you have good farm."
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I don't get why he said 'particularly on shyvanna'. I usually get on hit stuff on champions who have innate sustain like warwick, irelia etc. Wouldn't physical damage still be better on champions whose only form of sustain is lifesteal?
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On February 27 2012 15:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
I don't get why he said 'particularly on shyvanna'. I usually get on hit stuff on champions who have innate sustain like warwick, irelia etc. Wouldn't physical damage still be better on champions whose only form of sustain is lifesteal?
onhits typically have nothing to do with sustain, it's literally all about how much you autoattack ppl. In the case of a lot of sustainers, that is true, hence why you might think that, but if you look at like teemo or kog, who can both pretty legitimately build onhits, they have 0 sustain.
if that's the case with shyv, a couple of onhits would be a good buy, the double-hit may also be a consideration in that regard.
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hmm.... I dunno about that. I mean, saint is a smart guy and all, but a HUGE chunk of shy's damage comes from her AOE and I don't think it scales with MBR bonus damage.
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Is AS runes a must on a jungle shyvanna? I always feel my jungle clear is quite slow since I run flat MS and armor plus AP quints and reds.
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