EPT[Champion] Shyvana - Page 10
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chalice
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Slaughter
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TheHumanSensation
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Vequeth
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On March 07 2012 13:55 TheHumanSensation wrote: Has anyone had experience with an early Bilgewater cutlass on a jungling Shyvana? I feel like the active slow really makes her ganks a lot stronger, but I'm not a high level player and I don't have very much experience on the matter. You are very much better off with a phage. | ||
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R04R
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Two_DoWn
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On March 07 2012 13:55 TheHumanSensation wrote: Has anyone had experience with an early Bilgewater cutlass on a jungling Shyvana? I feel like the active slow really makes her ganks a lot stronger, but I'm not a high level player and I don't have very much experience on the matter. Exaust. I really dont think she needs flash, even if you counterjungle, simply because your w is really really good, and once you hit 6 you should literally NEVER die when invading. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
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MapleFractal
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Changing the items you are using is gonna greatly increase your overall effectiveness imo. Again thanks for effort put forth. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 16 2012 00:47 MapleFractal wrote: IIRC you should only be opening boots on shy if you have the life vamp quints. Otherwise you dont get the necessary sustain to take red, and then make a lvl 2 gank with the buff. Overall I can appreciate the effort put into writting this thread but I feel that it does not do enough to maximize Shyvanna's potential and strong points through the late game. 4-5k HP dragon late game is much better then moderate HP with a bit more dmg, especially when you can build Atma's later on and convert you tankyness into DPS anyways. Changing the items you are using is gonna greatly increase your overall effectiveness imo. Again thanks for effort put forth. I dont know what you are doing wrong, but something is VERY wrong if you cant do wraiths->red without wasting slots on useless quints. And Shyvana's strength is not her late game. It is her midgame. She is better than any other jungle with a wriggles, boots, wits, and phage and level 2 ultimate. In order to go full late game tank you need to throw away the single best part about shyvana. And late game having dps is better than pure tank on shyvana anyway because you already have natural tankiness. You should NEVER buy more tankiness than what it takes for you to survive a fight. If you need more than a frozen mallet, wits, wriggles, and then some sort of secondary tank item you are either very behind because you played mid game horribly wrong, or teamfighting incredibly poorly. | ||
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MapleFractal
Canada307 Posts
On March 16 2012 01:10 Two_DoWn wrote: I dont know what you are doing wrong, but something is VERY wrong if you cant do wraiths->red without wasting slots on useless quints. And Shyvana's strength is not her late game. It is her midgame. She is better than any other jungle with a wriggles, boots, wits, and phage and level 2 ultimate. In order to go full late game tank you need to throw away the single best part about shyvana. And late game having dps is better than pure tank on shyvana anyway because you already have natural tankiness. You should NEVER buy more tankiness than what it takes for you to survive a fight. If you need more than a frozen mallet, wits, wriggles, and then some sort of secondary tank item you are either very behind because you played mid game horribly wrong, or teamfighting incredibly poorly. Actually Vampirism runes to add 6% lifesteal to total 9% lifesteal without any lifsteal items. It helps greatly in keeping your health high while jungling early and eliminates the need or want to start cloth 5 pots AND is very good for duels and ganks. I disagree with starting boots/3 pots opening w/o the vamp quints, if you wanna start cloth/5 then it doesnt matter, your right. Im not disputing his item choices for mid or core build. You always build the 3 you recommended as well. HOWEVER, BC and BT are only even affordable IF your domination all game long. And you cannot count on that being the case all the time. If you dont agree with basic rune set up there are other viable options to start with but given the option of Boots/3pots or Cloth/5pots. Bots will always win out. AD or MS Quints can be fun but if you try these you will see a difference immediately, try them out see for yourself. Or go read some actual pro guides/watch high level players play Shyvanna. | ||
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Two_DoWn
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The rune build the pros use is ad/armor/aspeed/ad. Boots+3 to start. Wriggles, wits, fmallet, tankiness. Which is literally exactly what I said. You dont need lifesteal runes. They are a waste of a slot better filled by something else. | ||
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Bladeorade
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chalice
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playing with shyvana or udyr i feel like i've failed if i back before 1050g and boots+3 doesn't seem to let you stay out that long. | ||
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Two_DoWn
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Sandster
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On March 16 2012 03:47 chalice wrote: when do you first back with boots+3 and no successful gank? playing with shyvana or udyr i feel like i've failed if i back before 1050g and boots+3 doesn't seem to let you stay out that long. Shyvana wants to build wriggles, so get pieces for that. Udyr can get boots2 and philo/hog before wits. Typically you back either when low, or after a round of small camps so wraiths are down. | ||
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chalice
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Two_DoWn
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On March 16 2012 04:02 chalice wrote: am i over-valuing the increase in clear speed from rushing madred's? i always figured the difference with and without was so drastic that getting vamp first never occurred to me Shyv doesnt need wriggles for the speed, she just really likes all the stats and control that it gives. You dont clear all that much faster with it than without it, but you will stay healtheir with vamp+cloth than madreds. On other jungles like gp or ww, madreds is certainly a good thing to rush for. But I personally feel the benifit from vamp is greater on Shyv and, say, nocturne. Plus its cheap. | ||
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arnath
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