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On August 06 2012 14:03 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:19 Bladeorade wrote:
You buy an NMM against me as Kayle and I will laugh in your face. How is most of her damage magic? I play AD Kayle top, you know like BF sword after 2 dorans blades (and kayles magic damage scales with AD). While your hopping around trying to harass I'll be farming, and if your trying to farm I'll be blowing you up. Riven cannot farm vs Kayle, cannot engage vs Kayle, and Kayles ult counters Rivens.
Darius has a very strong dot that deals magic damage (and scales with AD) and then his true damage execute. The find it amusing that you say the vast majority of his non true damage is physical. Thats NP cuz he does a billion true damage rofl.
Udyr baited out of his bonuses? So your cooldowns must be shorter than his yes? Or are you just not going in melee range to harass? You do realize Udyr can wait till you engage, bear -> tiger -> turtle. The magic dot from tiger is a huge amount of his damage (and it scales with AD.)
Versus Garen you do play passive? I didn't mean it was an easy lane to kill him in I just meant it is an easy lane. You should never be in threat of dying. If he comes at you with Q, press W. If he uses Q for the MS boost with E, press your E and hop away. Try and save your 3rd hop for the CC on him after he uses his cooldowns. Its not difficult.
It's like this:
1. Has Garen pressed Q? If yes Press W and run. If no farm.
2. Has Garen Pressed E? If yes press E and run, if no farm.
3. Has Garen used his offensive cooldowns cooldowns? If yes harass with Q, if no farm.
4. Does Garen have W up and its post 6? If yes refer to steps 1 2 and 3, if no refer to step 3 and consider pressing R and going all in. I said most of her EARLY damage. Whether a lane is lost, even, or won with Riven comes down to early level play. Q and Esplash are magic damage. Does Darius' passive scale with AD? Yeah. But how many early AD items does Darius build? Not many. Base resistence, runes and masteries are enough to give me +50% effective health vs magic damage. I'm sorry, but you're going "this guys does all three types of damage" and saying I'm going to have trouble because of BY FAR his weakest outputed type. As for Udyr, it doesn't matter what my cooldowns are. Mine don't cost mana. I don't need to engage him because he falls off into lategame and I scale stupid well. Riven can win a lot of lanes by being passive and just flat out scaling better. Udyr is one of them. Sorry if I'm not too worried about magic damage on Riven, I know how to build a hexdrinker if need be.
If you play smart with Udyr your spells dont exactly cost mana either, turtle op, not to mention the longer the lane goes on the stronger udyr will get since his spells actually go down in mana cost as he levels up(while his manaregen/lifesteal increase from turtle)
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I first started playing Riven when I read a guide on solomid, describing her as a massive late game carry.
Nowadays though, I feel weaker once the game goes past the 30 minute mark or so.
I have a BT and GA as my core, and I'm not really sure what my thought process needs to be when considering what to buy next.
Assuming it's not double AP, can anyone give me some advice as to when I would get another BT, and when I should get something for durability.
I'm usually fairly fed going into the lategame, but I find it hard to carry when I'm stuck between building enough damage to nuke the carry, or building durability which prevents me from killing anyone.
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On August 15 2012 00:47 Agnosthar wrote:
I first started playing Riven when I read a guide on solomid, describing her as a massive late game carry.
Nowadays though, I feel weaker once the game goes past the 30 minute mark or so.
I have a BT and GA as my core, and I'm not really sure what my thought process needs to be when considering what to buy next.
Assuming it's not double AP, can anyone give me some advice as to when I would get another BT, and when I should get something for durability.
I'm usually fairly fed going into the lategame, but I find it hard to carry when I'm stuck between building enough damage to nuke the carry, or building durability which prevents me from killing anyone.
After your GA is when you get 2nd bt i'd say.
vs double ap or something though i like getting Maw after GA
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On August 15 2012 00:47 Agnosthar wrote:
I first started playing Riven when I read a guide on solomid, describing her as a massive late game carry.
Nowadays though, I feel weaker once the game goes past the 30 minute mark or so.
I have a BT and GA as my core, and I'm not really sure what my thought process needs to be when considering what to buy next.
Assuming it's not double AP, can anyone give me some advice as to when I would get another BT, and when I should get something for durability.
I'm usually fairly fed going into the lategame, but I find it hard to carry when I'm stuck between building enough damage to nuke the carry, or building durability which prevents me from killing anyone.
My usual build is is Boots3->2x dorans (i skip one dorans for a brutalizer if they have a low-armor top)->mercs or tabi->BT->GA->LW->Frozen mallet if i need slows/hp, another BT if i need more damage, or randuins if they have heavy heavy ad damage. You can swap the LW and 2nd BT depending on how much armor they have, but I almost always get LW first.
Vs AP I tend to go Boots3->1x doran->hexdrinker & mercs->BT->GA->LW->Maw->Mallet or another BT.
Usually if we have a tanky jungle I build more for damage. You just need to know your limits and not over-do it. For example, if I can jump on their AD or AP and melt them in 2 seconds with a BT alone, I'm probably safe on damage (for now). If its taking me like 9 seconds to kill them though, I should probably build more damage instead of survivability (this is assuming you're not just straight up ballsing out and running in first -- I tend to stay right behind our initiator and then hop onto a high priority target after so I'm not the first thing everyone is shooting at).
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What are peoples thoughts on Randuins? HoG is probably a terrible choice since it delays everything and Riven definitely doesn't need health early, but Warden's seems like it provides her a similar benefit vs AD as Hex does vs AP with similar cost. (The HP regen is still useful during laning.)
Lantern or Dorans into Warden into BT into GA into Randuins. Obviously depends on what your up against but if your team needs you tankier/top is someone who could be screwed by attack speed.
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On August 15 2012 01:24 Lounge wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on Randuins? HoG is probably a terrible choice since it delays everything and Riven definitely doesn't need health early, but Warden's seems like it provides her a similar benefit vs AD as Hex does vs AP with similar cost. (The HP regen is still useful during laning.)
Lantern or Dorans into Warden into BT into GA into Randuins. Obviously depends on what your up against but if your team needs you tankier/top is someone who could be screwed by attack speed.
I mean, it could work (vs someone like Tryn or an AD top I could see it being effective). However, a lot of Riven's dominance comes from ability to get kills and snowball, and I think Tabi is enough defensive power for trading in lane vs an AD, while not sacrificing too much damage (which would happen if you went Warden's).
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On August 15 2012 00:47 Agnosthar wrote:
I first started playing Riven when I read a guide on solomid, describing her as a massive late game carry.
Nowadays though, I feel weaker once the game goes past the 30 minute mark or so.
I have a BT and GA as my core, and I'm not really sure what my thought process needs to be when considering what to buy next.
Assuming it's not double AP, can anyone give me some advice as to when I would get another BT, and when I should get something for durability.
I'm usually fairly fed going into the lategame, but I find it hard to carry when I'm stuck between building enough damage to nuke the carry, or building durability which prevents me from killing anyone.
Well....you don't really need to build durability on Riven because her e is so strong and you lifesteal well too.
My advice would be (and take it with a grain of salt), if it's not double AP (because obviously Maw would be the next item I would say), I would probably build another BT if the other team isn't stacking armor, or building LW if they are. Depending on my boots, I would change them if they start chain cc'ing me like crazy (so I'd get merc treads, I think)
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Post Core Riven Items
Vs. DoubleAP: MAW
Vs. Armor: LW
For Damage: BT
Vs. StrongAD: Randuins
Vs. Mixed: Aegis
Apply as needed.
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I almost always go LW after my GA/Aegis since almost all teams stack armor to some degree, it helps keep your damage relevant into the lategame.
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Anyone recommend me any good games of a pro-gamer playing as Riven?
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For lane, I hear Wingsofdeath has a strong Riven. For jungle, look for NintendudeX(as he was known then.) She hasn't gotten much competitive play recently, however.
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Dont you die super fast in team fights if you just stack BT and whatever damage items? I Riven kind of needs a FM to stay relevant
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Your shield scales directly with AD. Why would you ever need more health when you can just stack resists and spam the shit out of E?
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Been using this lately. Standard AD Caster page, but shifting the 3 points from the horrible Havoc into Vigor. The damage is so pitiful and the health regen is a much better alternative than the 3%LS, I've found.
http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=1-3-0-0-4-4-0-4-1-0-0-0-0-0-3-0-1-0-0-3-2-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
What are people opinion on the vs. Garen matchup now? I just ran into it and it went pretty smoothly. The scaling silence duration made misplays less punishing. He chose to go tanky(giants belt/tabi) first, which made him able to take my burst. It ended up being a roughly even trade, but it was clear he couldn't aggress me for any positive ground. Has anybody gone against a garen who chooses to build offensively, for example double dorans brutalizer?
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On August 23 2012 21:32 ReadySetFire wrote:
Anyone recommend me any good games of a pro-gamer playing as Riven?
I recommend Wingsofdeathx. Goldfather8 claimed that Wings is 3rd best Riven after himself and SoloTopOnly. However, neither of those two maintain a stream. Wingsofdeathx is the only streamer I know of other than Scarra who actually articulate and explain his actions while maintaining a sense of humor. Just keep flipping through his archive videos till you find Riven gameplay.
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Isn't Goldfather8 below 2k?
I realize that Goldfather is a good Riven and all, but to be the BEST (or even top10) you also have to be a good player.
To me it seems like Wingsofdeathx and that Best Riven NA guy seems to be the 2 best Rivens though.
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On September 02 2012 02:35 Gahlo wrote:Been using this lately. Standard AD Caster page, but shifting the 3 points from the horrible Havoc into Vigor. The damage is so pitiful and the health regen is a much better alternative than the 3%LS, I've found. http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=1-3-0-0-4-4-0-4-1-0-0-0-0-0-3-0-1-0-0-3-2-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0What are people opinion on the vs. Garen matchup now? I just ran into it and it went pretty smoothly. The scaling silence duration made misplays less punishing. He chose to go tanky(giants belt/tabi) first, which made him able to take my burst. It ended up being a roughly even trade, but it was clear he couldn't aggress me for any positive ground. Has anybody gone against a garen who chooses to build offensively, for example double dorans brutalizer?
Oh man, I really, really don't like that. I'd much rather do it like how wingsofdeath specs his masteries, except with the 1 spare point on the offensive tree into butcher rather than havoc. Veteran's scar is too good to pass up. And in any case, I would always take the 3% lifesteal over 0.5ad/lvl (really, really bad; outright terrible).
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On August 15 2012 01:08 Mondeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 00:47 Agnosthar wrote:
I first started playing Riven when I read a guide on solomid, describing her as a massive late game carry.
Nowadays though, I feel weaker once the game goes past the 30 minute mark or so.
I have a BT and GA as my core, and I'm not really sure what my thought process needs to be when considering what to buy next.
Assuming it's not double AP, can anyone give me some advice as to when I would get another BT, and when I should get something for durability.
I'm usually fairly fed going into the lategame, but I find it hard to carry when I'm stuck between building enough damage to nuke the carry, or building durability which prevents me from killing anyone.
My usual build is is Boots3->2x dorans (i skip one dorans for a brutalizer if they have a low-armor top)->mercs or tabi->BT->GA->LW->Frozen mallet if i need slows/hp, another BT if i need more damage, or randuins if they have heavy heavy ad damage. You can swap the LW and 2nd BT depending on how much armor they have, but I almost always get LW first. Vs AP I tend to go Boots3->1x doran->hexdrinker & mercs->BT->GA->LW->Maw->Mallet or another BT. Usually if we have a tanky jungle I build more for damage. You just need to know your limits and not over-do it. For example, if I can jump on their AD or AP and melt them in 2 seconds with a BT alone, I'm probably safe on damage (for now). If its taking me like 9 seconds to kill them though, I should probably build more damage instead of survivability (this is assuming you're not just straight up ballsing out and running in first -- I tend to stay right behind our initiator and then hop onto a high priority target after so I'm not the first thing everyone is shooting at).
Wow the damage you must deal. I play Riven a lot but I usually go for armor/MR instead of more damage after my first BT. I guess I've been doing it wrong all along. xD
I sometimes get a Brutalizer earlier on for laning phase, without ever building into a GB.
Not sure if the Mallet is good on her because the health almost feels unneeded, as does the slow considering the CC/gap closers Riven has.
That said I'm a relatively new player so I guess I still need to change my shit up. :p
Also I go for full flat AD runes because of her scaling. Like, every single ability she has scales on AD. Awesome early game boost, imo. With obviously yellow armor and scaling blue MR.
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Riven is my most played champion, and honestly I really really dislike Frozen mallet.
Your E is on such a short cooldown and if you have a lot of AD (+150) that's basically a 1000 hp right there if you just get 3 shields off, which basically means that armor/mres is much better than HP.
I also don't feel the slow is necessary at all because you already have quite a bit of sticking power simply due to your mobility and your W stun (also the slow is better if you're a sustained dmg dealer like Irelia rather than a bursty champ like Riven).
And if you still feel like the slow is necesarry you can just get an early phage and never upgrade it. Ever.
The only 2 hp items I would ever consider buying are Aegis (yes, Aegis) and Randuin's.
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On September 02 2012 02:52 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:32 ReadySetFire wrote:
Anyone recommend me any good games of a pro-gamer playing as Riven? I recommend Wingsofdeathx. Goldfather8 claimed that Wings is 3rd best Riven after himself and SoloTopOnly. However, neither of those two maintain a stream. Wingsofdeathx is the only streamer I know of other than Scarra who actually articulate and explain his actions while maintaining a sense of humor. Just keep flipping through his archive videos till you find Riven gameplay.
goldfather is not a very good riven but i think he is not as good a player overall compared to some streamers who play her.
i like cris' aggression with riven, he roams mid with decent effectiveness. wings pretty solid overall with a few mistakes but a great learning resource.
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