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On October 26 2012 07:09 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
random question, I started playing skarner recently and went boots pots as I do with all my other junglers, it seems to work ok, but most guides and games I see skarners starting cloth+5. Am I just at a level where I'm not being punished or is boots a viable choice for skarner?
I don't think I've seen a guide recommend starting Cloth5, as it's completely unnecessary. I usually go Boots3pot and do just fine.
Another good opener if you're just gonna farm jungle for a bit is Regrowth1pot. Don't think I would ever go cloth5 though.
Edit: Then again I'm bad as shit. Only Gold. So take it with a grain of salt.
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cloth 5pots isn't too bad
It allows you to stay in jungle longer and look for more opportunities to gank/jungle without recalling
Safer too, if you are against like a strong jungler and you chose a weak one.
But yeah, most I go boots 3 pots, only jungler I go cloth 5 is like Rammus, and he isn't that good :<
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skarner isn't unplayable but every champion is playable in solo queue, skarner won't be a competitive pick anymore and it's gonna be a bit harder to make him work at 2400 elo also cloth start sucks balls
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On October 26 2012 07:59 JSH wrote:
only jungler I go cloth 5 is like Rammus, and he isn't that good :<
Don't go cloth 5 on Rammus; it's a waste.
I certainly wouldn't do it on Skarner, either. Your shield and your E help you keep HP up just fine in the first clear.
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On October 26 2012 12:14 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 07:59 JSH wrote:
only jungler I go cloth 5 is like Rammus, and he isn't that good :< Don't go cloth 5 on Rammus; it's a waste. I certainly wouldn't do it on Skarner, either. Your shield and your E help you keep HP up just fine in the first clear.
Shouldn't take E until level 13. W should be plenty sustain with your Philo Stone.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
I really really don't reccomend starting Regrowth Pendant, I know Skarnold's Guide reccomends it but
1. Your ganks become even worse, they actually aren't that bad against pushed lanes if you have boots but they are if you have regrowth
2. They slow down your exp gain a bit, you waste less gold on HP pots but since you can travel between camps faster with boots you'll get more exp which is really important on Skarner especially before lvl6.
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i never start regrowth anymore just too lazy to upgrade guide l0l
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On October 26 2012 15:56 Xevious wrote:
i never start regrowth anymore just too lazy to upgrade guide l0l
Would love an update TBH.
If I'm doing pretty well, I've been going with Guinsoo's Rageblade after Glacial. I feel like it adds a lot to his midgame power. Opinions?
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if youre doing well and have shurelia/glacial, finish fh or get aegis or wits if they have mostly magic, rageblade is like not an option on skarner.
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After getting really frustrated with jungle-udyr lately, i figured i'll try something new. So, Skarner, first game ever, ranked. This is so easy. Having only 2 skills and an ult really helps with the learning of the champ. Being so goddamn tanky helps as well. Having a team of derps helps as well, if you need to do good to win, you likely will do that. Or fail. or just play meh. But really one of those 3. whatever, i get derailed. I finished 1/2/20 and basically carried them from midgame on, surviving everything, altough all lanes had fed due to my low early game presence. And their fails of course. Only their fails, fucking feeders. Elo hell, lololololol-
So, i figured a lot of my "power" came from them just fearing a big bad scorpion, they didn't want to engage on me, but they did want to engage on anybody else. I never did get to duel anyone, as, somehow, they feared me despite not having build anything resembling damage (shurelyas first). How good does Skarner actually duel? I mean, i have 1294000 effective hp, but, can i really get into fights early on, say level 4-5? With stuff like udyr or other high-tier duelers?
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People are afraid for good reason - there aren't many champions in the game that can go toe-to-toe with red-buff Skarner before they get their ults. Not only that, he's impossible to run away from and can double-Q + W to escape from almost anything. His clear speed in the jungle should give you an idea of how much sustained damage he does (i.e. same category as Udyr/Mundo/Shyvana) while having a stronger shield and one of the highest base attacks in the game. Skarner is a terror from level 2 until the rest of the game, even with 0 damage items.
Skarner has a weaker pre-6 gank than Udyr, but is one of the best 2v2 junglers in the game. So combined with your fast clear speed and fast MS, he's very good for counterganking. It's also extremely dangerous to invade Skarner's jungle due to his perma-slow.
The only thing I dislike about him is controlling that his attack-move doesn't feel very smooth, which is important for a melee champ.
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On October 27 2012 10:25 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 15:56 Xevious wrote:
i never start regrowth anymore just too lazy to upgrade guide l0l Would love an update TBH. If I'm doing pretty well, I've been going with Guinsoo's Rageblade after Glacial. I feel like it adds a lot to his midgame power. Opinions?
rageblade not good. if you want dps item after your tank stuff get wits end or if your rich tri force
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On November 08 2012 02:22 adriftt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 10:25 VashTS wrote:On October 26 2012 15:56 Xevious wrote:
i never start regrowth anymore just too lazy to upgrade guide l0l Would love an update TBH. If I'm doing pretty well, I've been going with Guinsoo's Rageblade after Glacial. I feel like it adds a lot to his midgame power. Opinions? rageblade not good. if you want dps item after your tank stuff get wits end or if your rich tri force
Ionic spark gogo~
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On November 08 2012 02:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 02:22 adriftt wrote:On October 27 2012 10:25 VashTS wrote:On October 26 2012 15:56 Xevious wrote:
i never start regrowth anymore just too lazy to upgrade guide l0l Would love an update TBH. If I'm doing pretty well, I've been going with Guinsoo's Rageblade after Glacial. I feel like it adds a lot to his midgame power. Opinions? rageblade not good. if you want dps item after your tank stuff get wits end or if your rich tri force Ionic spark gogo~
Ahaha I should try that.
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On November 08 2012 02:38 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 02:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On November 08 2012 02:22 adriftt wrote:On October 27 2012 10:25 VashTS wrote:On October 26 2012 15:56 Xevious wrote:
i never start regrowth anymore just too lazy to upgrade guide l0l Would love an update TBH. If I'm doing pretty well, I've been going with Guinsoo's Rageblade after Glacial. I feel like it adds a lot to his midgame power. Opinions? rageblade not good. if you want dps item after your tank stuff get wits end or if your rich tri force Ionic spark gogo~ Ahaha I should try that.
Ionic Spark Guinsoo's Rageblade Wits end. Can't fail.
I have actually done this on shen, lolz ensued xD
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Ionic Spark on Skarnar is so fun.
Don't forget that it has 50% AS whereas Wit's end has only 40%.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Thing I am experimenting with:
Maxing E second after 1 point in W, because 18 CD is just completely ridiculous.
I still rush shurelyas for the mana BUT I build chalice of harmony afterwards. Because you have +15 manaregen from Shurelyas and 7.5 manaregen from chalice itself, that's a lot of friggin mana regen.
That makes FH build path very very awkward, so Aegis is the natural choice after chalice BUT
Athene's Unholy Grail provides CDR and quite a bit of damage. Might be a legit item to build on Skarner. So far did it in 1 game and it worked wonders, but the enemy teamcomp wasn't very good.
Also, possibly Rageblade instead of Wit's End for an eventual damage item? Rageblade was already a lot better damage wise but if you spam your E Ability Power is just that much more powerful. Especially the heal, omg is 0.3 great or what.
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rageblade is fine if you have someone to tank damage for you in teamfights and you can just go ham with no one raping your shit.
also i buy ionic spark on a ton of heroes but i never tried it on skarner, idk sounds decent i'd rather have more sustained dmg with wits end though as apposed to someone like tf who i'd want more burst on. also wits has magic resist which is better than health since you already have built in bonus health but not magic resist especially since you're forced to build some health anyway between shurelias and randuins.
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Lol, I don't know about the upcoming jungle but if you have to go cloth 5 in this current one on a champion that champ probably shouldn't be jungling in the first place.
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so season 3 is gonna bring back rageblade skarner right? don't really like it costing 365g more, but lifesteal, spellvamp and attack speed under 50% hp with his shield and the resists you build has his name written all over it imo.
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