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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 27 2012 17:18 GMT
#281
On August 28 2012 01:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
this question has been bothering me for a while now, do you smartcast skarner's ult? I'm pretty sure not doing it has made me miss out on 3-4 kills yesterday alone but might be just bad.

I smartcast everything ever. I just feel so clunky doing a normal cast anymore.
It's your boy Guzma!
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 27 2012 17:31 GMT
#282
On August 28 2012 01:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
this question has been bothering me for a while now, do you smartcast skarner's ult? I'm pretty sure not doing it has made me miss out on 3-4 kills yesterday alone but might be just bad.

Yes, you should smartcast absolutely everything including Veigar stun, Ashe arrow and Trundle pillar.
If you play a champion about 5 times you should have enough experience to have decent accuracy, and any loss in that is far outweighted by the speed with which you can cast things.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
September 05 2012 06:25 GMT
#283
mana pots suck
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
September 05 2012 06:50 GMT
#284
On whether to smartcast or dumbcast my philosophy is that if it's a point and click such as ryze/annie Q, skarner ulti etc, always smartcast. For skillshots it's personal preference. Smartcasting is theoretically better but I've grown to love the precision offered by dumbcasting things like leona's zenith blade since if the only thing you have to do is click, it's really easy to hit something.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 05 2012 06:50 GMT
#285
You don't have to smartcast. There are plenty of top tier players that don't use smartcast ever. I personally think it's completely champion and skill design dependent. Like for Ryze you would obviously use smartcast, and same with Cass' E. Smash keeps Pantheon Q on smartcast but he seems to always keep E and R on normal, and when he does need to smartcast E he uses ~. Froggen never uses smartcast, and in an interview he once said he just doesn't like it. Dyrus for a while didn't use smartcast at all either.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 08:52:44
September 10 2012 05:37 GMT
#286
OK I ADMIT IT, scip is right, kindlem is much better than hog. I will get both from now on (like I did before but I'll get kindlem first)

Also scip what do you think of this build? I just carried my team in solo queue with it and got my new high rating

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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 10 2012 19:12 GMT
#287
Manamune is obviously a core item on Skarner. I reccomend starting boots+3 as usual, get Tear of Goddess on your first back. Do NOT buy any mana pots, they aren't necessary. I reccomend getting Mercs before finishing Manamune, because Manamune without well-charged Tear is kind of a waste. I would reccomend going Glacial OR Shurelyas right after; you aim to maximize your DEEPS and after you get solid amount of AD you do that with CDR.
+ Show Spoiler +
If you are grinding rankeds on your 1200 elo smurf, that is.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 11 2012 04:24 GMT
#288
skarner is so versatile that i've rushed mbr on him and crushed
it's like, come at me bro, i do %-max health damage AND have infinite cc
it's really the answer to all his problems
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
September 11 2012 10:58 GMT
#289
On September 11 2012 13:24 gtrsrs wrote:
skarner is so versatile that i've rushed mbr on him and crushed
it's like, come at me bro, i do %-max health damage AND have infinite cc
it's really the answer to all his problems

True, since I started playing Skarner I'm having trouble forcing myself to use any other jungler (except Udyr, I can always play Udyr :D ) as he is just so good at everything (except his mana costs, but that can be solved by using a hybrid mastery page like Skarnold's or having a manaless/non-blue hungry mid so you can hog the buff all the time)
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 11 2012 11:02 GMT
#290
On September 05 2012 15:50 koreasilver wrote:
You don't have to smartcast. There are plenty of top tier players that don't use smartcast ever. I personally think it's completely champion and skill design dependent. Like for Ryze you would obviously use smartcast, and same with Cass' E. Smash keeps Pantheon Q on smartcast but he seems to always keep E and R on normal, and when he does need to smartcast E he uses ~. Froggen never uses smartcast, and in an interview he once said he just doesn't like it. Dyrus for a while didn't use smartcast at all either.


I tend to just smartcast everything but turn on the smartcast range indicator so that if I'm not 100% sure at a given moment I can just hold down the button, get the range and then let go of it. I'm surprised I don't see more people doing this, it gives you the option to cast quickly if you're comfortable to at that moment or to take your time should you need to.

Or maybe I'm just bad ;(
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
September 11 2012 20:21 GMT
#291
On September 11 2012 04:12 Scip wrote:
If you are grinding rankeds on your 1200 elo smurf, that is.

saw that coming
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 23:02:37
October 18 2012 04:15 GMT
#292
http://www.mediafire.com/?8v0313ot0epuih5

All my Skarner games from 2k up including some games in the highest elo bracket, wins and losses included. I can answer any questions regarding specific games. 15 games total. The pack includes a 3-4 games straight series vs rainbow thugs.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 18 2012 15:58 GMT
#293
On September 11 2012 20:02 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 15:50 koreasilver wrote:
You don't have to smartcast. There are plenty of top tier players that don't use smartcast ever. I personally think it's completely champion and skill design dependent. Like for Ryze you would obviously use smartcast, and same with Cass' E. Smash keeps Pantheon Q on smartcast but he seems to always keep E and R on normal, and when he does need to smartcast E he uses ~. Froggen never uses smartcast, and in an interview he once said he just doesn't like it. Dyrus for a while didn't use smartcast at all either.


I tend to just smartcast everything but turn on the smartcast range indicator so that if I'm not 100% sure at a given moment I can just hold down the button, get the range and then let go of it. I'm surprised I don't see more people doing this, it gives you the option to cast quickly if you're comfortable to at that moment or to take your time should you need to.

Or maybe I'm just bad ;(


I agree with this. I just turned on smartcast last week (previously used to shift-smartcast, which is clunkier). The range indicators are very important to me and you can always cancel by just moving. With the option to see range indicator I don't see the reason to ever not smartcast.

The question is do you use smartcast+selfcast (i.e. if you press E on morgana it automatically shields yourself, unless you have your cursor over an ally). It's very nice for people with less than godlike reaction speed.

Smartcast certainly isn't necessary for Skarner though.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 25 2012 03:22 GMT
#294
Just posting it here as a reminder.
Things that need to be tested:
Skarner ultimate vs. Flash and all jumps, (jax, irelia, lee sin, shyvana, everything)
Skarner ultimate vs. repositioning skills (janna, blitzcrank, alistar, everything)
1 level in E early jungle
1 level in W 2nd max E jungle

Things that need to be theorycrafted:
Item build changes? I think not but maybe. CDR is going to be less valuable we know that much.
When to pick Skarner? Does he still have a niche or is he completely outclassed. New counterpicks and best teammates.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 07:32:34
October 25 2012 06:30 GMT
#295
nvm ignore me i didnt realize skarner was changed sry
cool beans
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
October 25 2012 10:41 GMT
#296
ult will hardly be able to interrupt skills cuz it'll stop casting as soon as they get out of range, so there's an extremely short window of time for skills like corki w for them to be pulled out of it but 99% of the time it'll just cancel. also it will never happen for flash or other instant repositioning skills.

only viable build will be pure tank/damage absorption (aegis+randuin/FoN) to compensate for the lost tankiness from w cd (this goes for competitive play, you can still go triforce gunblade or my normal build at 1200 elo). shurelia's rush probably not as good since pure tank stats more important than utility, also more risky to initiate with shurelia's because of ult change -.-

getting e might be worth it but i don't think so because then your already nerfed w will be even shittier. i doubt making a shittier spell shittier in exchange for another shitty spell is the right option.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
October 25 2012 17:49 GMT
#297
Serious question: Do you really think that Skarner is unplayable now? Or is it just an emotional outburst cuz your beloved scorpion got nerfed?

I'd really like to pick up Skarner. Played him when he was free2play the last time and doing so again at the moment. Now I'm close to have enough IP to get him. I have a lot of fun and feel that i can carry my teams with him. The patch isn't live on EU yet so I guess I have to wait and find out if there's any significant difference for me tomorrow.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 25 2012 17:59 GMT
#298
4 seconds on W isn't even that much if you hit shit. So it's up 90% of the time rather than 100% of the time, that still makes it one of the better defensive abilities in the game.
It's your boy Guzma!
Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
October 25 2012 20:34 GMT
#299
Skarner has been retardedly strong since forever. Don't know about after the new patch but the changes make a lot of sense. The perma chase and ult despite the enemy flashing etc. were broken.
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. -Socrates
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
October 25 2012 22:09 GMT
#300
random question, I started playing skarner recently and went boots pots as I do with all my other junglers, it seems to work ok, but most guides and games I see skarners starting cloth+5. Am I just at a level where I'm not being punished or is boots a viable choice for skarner?
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