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I'm under the impression that Judgment crits are bugged...
I first noticed that normal hits were dealing ~120 damage and crits were doing ~230 or so, and I thought, "Wow! Does Judgment crit for double damage? I remember they used to crit for 1.5x damage only". Then I thought that the Infinity Edge I was carrying might have been responsible for bigger Judgment crits, so to make sure, I later made a practice game and tried it out again.
At one point in testing during the practice game, it seemed like normal Judgment ticks were doing 34 damage, and crits were doing 36 damage... later on in the game, normal ticks were doing 45 damage, while crits were doing 46, meaning crits were adding pretty much no damage at all.
As far as I can tell, either IE Unique Passive is affecting Judgment in weird ways or Judgment crits are having some form of connection with Bonus AD. Can anyone else confirm?
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Unless it's been changed, only the bonus AD portion of Judgment can crit.
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Does anyone switch at level 12 and point Garen solely at an Aura/support-based build?
Getting the shield aura, heath regen aura, mana regen aura, banshees veil and lots of sight wards?
I don't know if a purely aura based build is viable on anyone though?
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
Quick question:
I'm confused how to play Garen
Is he a tanky hero?
Or is he an AD hero?
IMO...... Garen with tanky items makes him near unkillable and very annoying. It also forces everyone to run away whenever tanky Garen comes out of nowhere, with a threatening aura....
But do ppl play him offensively? Is he dps?
I'm confused :/
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I play AD, but thats because when I play as him I'm carrying two other friends who dont know how to kill people on the other team.
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I really love building Atma's impaler on Garen with a Warmogs, lets him do some decent tank while having some nice dmg as well!
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On October 02 2011 14:32 Seeker wrote:
Quick question:
I'm confused how to play Garen
Is he a tanky hero?
Or is he an AD hero?
IMO...... Garen with tanky items makes him near unkillable and very annoying. It also forces everyone to run away whenever tanky Garen comes out of nowhere, with a threatening aura....
But do ppl play him offensively? Is he dps?
I'm confused :/
You don't really want to build him completely tanky because then he's completely ignorable.
2 dblades, bruta, atmogs is generally enough to let you do a ton of damage while still being extremely unkillable.
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On September 30 2011 09:37 intrigue wrote:i just realized, garen is a space marine: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JQDka.jpg)
he even has a spacemarine skin just sayin
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I wanted to ask about Q + E combo.
I normally just Q then E (Well, Auto -> Q -> E, if they are facechecking), but I've noticed on streams that sometimes good garen's will specifically activate Q, then E, and use Q's attack once E has finished. Thoughts on this?
Does activating Q first but not using it increase your movespeed so it's easier to get a full E off? Does the Q at the end have a larger range than auto's, as well as making it safer for you to trade after your skills are on CD? I'm assuming this is the general idea, but I haven't put much thought into it.
I get in circumstances where they can be killed you will want to land your Q first and then E so that they can't just flash out of your E, but I do that each time... I'm thinking maybe the other way I mentioned is better.
Also, anyone got any little random tips of stuff that might seem obvious on him. Through watching tree Eski I learnt the little 'camp brush in river and if they come up from blue buff, AA -> Q -> AA as they walk into brush' trick.
Also picked up the idea of tanking minions to get a nimbleness proc, then running into brush to come out even faster than they expect (makes the nimbleness proc less noticeable). Thought this was a really cool trick, as I'm not exactly into the game enough to come up with these things on my own.
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uhhhh ignore this... messed up
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Vs champs like sivir if you Q then E for movespeed to catch up and wait for her spellshiled to wear off before Q-ing works well
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So i've been going full ad runes on garen solo top and done pretty well. I don't get why people would prefer using arpen/dodge/mr/ad quints on him when you need to abuse the shit out of his early game damage. Am I missing something here?
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On October 18 2011 00:17 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
So i've been going full ad runes on garen solo top and done pretty well. I don't get why people would prefer using arpen/dodge/mr/ad quints on him when you need to abuse the shit out of his early game damage. Am I missing something here?
How about the fact that armor penetration is worth quite a lot given Garen's high base damage physical abilities? When your armor pen is reducing their armor to zero, it's generally doing a lot more than flat AD would.
Dodge is there because dodge procs are absurdly strong for forcing your combo onto people--even if they normally have movespeed parity, Q onto them, pick up creep aggro and get a 10% MS boost from the dodge proc.
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On October 18 2011 00:17 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
So i've been going full ad runes on garen solo top and done pretty well. I don't get why people would prefer using arpen/dodge/mr/ad quints on him when you need to abuse the shit out of his early game damage. Am I missing something here?
I haven't run the numbers, but pretty sure armor pen is better. Smart opponents will often start cloth 5 pot, in which case you're getting full value out of your runes. I'm thinking the only time you wouldn't be getting near full value is when your lane isn't running flat armor yellows, which isn't very likely.
Personally I run arp reds and 1 quint, and 2 movespeed quints. Altho I might look into swapping out the move speed in place of something more damage focussed
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Garen too OP:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wcxoN.png)
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On October 20 2011 11:59 101toss wrote:Garen too OP:
i saw that 64-0 and i was like "GOD DAMN WHAT THE FUCK" then i saw bots and i was like
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On October 20 2011 11:59 101toss wrote:Garen too OP:
Not hard if your playing against bots...
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Just tried tanky garen. I didn't do too bad but my team lost and I felt my damage was really low. Warmogs, mercs, GA, and atmas. I felt like I had low damage but I did my part initiating and moving carries away. Still I'd have liked more damage. Will try more damage next. I like his ratios.
Atma's looks really strong: 70AD on the passive when I have a fully charged warmogs and am level 18.
I was laning against a shen, died once in lane to shaco, but shen didn't get the assist :D. Shen is annoying to lane against. I needed more damage to lane against him.
Next build to try?: hexdrinker, phage, last whisper, BF sword->bloodthirster, Bilgewater cutlass all look ok. I'll probably get phage for sure and the rest I'll base on how the lane is going.
Essentially, I'm just shooting for 150 bonus AD or however much I need to one shot creep waves with my spin.
The only items worth the slots though are tiamats, bloodthirster, and last whisper though
Bloodthirster is hard to farm and tiamats has mana regen.
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I really like starting some AD. Passive is actually nice sustain too, a lot more than I gave it credit for.
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