So I think I get the item buying order, but when do you sell stuff? I quickly find myself running out of slots, when do you sell your first Blade? While working on Atma's?

Craton

United States17303 Posts

September 02 2011 06:48 GMT

#102

To finish a big item is a decent time to sell one.

Rainmaker5

United States1027 Posts

September 02 2011 07:53 GMT

#103

This champion is too fucking good. I am having the most fun I have had playing this game in a long time.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

September 11 2011 17:21 GMT

#104

Oh my gosh, Garen is way too good in 3s. Blade -> Blade -> Brutalizer -> Phage -> Boots -> Atma's. It's freaking hilarious how much damage you can do.

Psyonic_Reaver

United States4342 Posts

September 11 2011 18:22 GMT

#105

I see this in ranked 5's. =( He's soo freaking strong earlyg ame.

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

September 11 2011 22:22 GMT

#106

Should you still take ignite vs a strong top laner such as renekton or Lee Sin? I feel that the powergap is closed by them if they take exhaust and you take ignite

Akuemon

Canada151 Posts

September 11 2011 23:19 GMT

#107

hm. I agree in the part that if garen doesnt get fed hes not that great when it plays out to late game unless hes been farming like a beast. Imo Garen isnt that great because If he doesnt get fed he falls off hard lategame. I also find that a duo ranged slow lane can beat a garen/taric lane, I just dont see what they can do about it.

Hexagecz

Czech Republic66 Posts

September 13 2011 07:53 GMT

#108

I like to play garen as dps at the start and then get hp for atma. For spells i get flash and exhaust for slow and help at 1v1 at top where you should be. For items i start with dor blade or shield depends on enemy then get boots brutalizer and frozen mallet this gets you nice dmg slow and hp combined with passive of courage where you get armor enought for 50% dmg reduction. After this just get what you need

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

September 13 2011 07:55 GMT

#109

On September 12 2011 08:19 Akuemon wrote:
hm. I agree in the part that if garen doesnt get fed hes not that great when it plays out to late game unless hes been farming like a beast. Imo Garen isnt that great because If he doesnt get fed he falls off hard lategame. I also find that a duo ranged slow lane can beat a garen/taric lane, I just dont see what they can do about it.

They can't move while stunned and thus will lose atleast half their hp?

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

September 13 2011 08:05 GMT

#110

Garen+Taric bot lane works really well, but only if the other team doesn't have Ali or to a lesser extend Janna as the support. Those two can really eff up your Taric stun+Garen follow up combo and without that combo you're pretty screwed since it'll be hard to cs without taking a bunch of ranged harass every time you try.

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

September 13 2011 12:02 GMT

#111

i edge on Garen is so much fun, when you Q people for like half their health. lawl.

Also do the crits from his E scale off the bonus crit damage from iedge?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

September 13 2011 17:51 GMT

#112

On September 13 2011 21:02 arb wrote:
i edge on Garen is so much fun, when you Q people for like half their health. lawl.

Also do the crits from his E scale off the bonus crit damage from iedge?

I believe that they do, but the whole formula is really weird because only the AD factored bonus damage crits, at least back when I played Garen, it's admittedly been awhile.

Koenig99

Canada904 Posts

September 14 2011 14:11 GMT

#113

So how much did the nerfs change Garen? Wont have a chance to try him until tomorrow.

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

September 14 2011 14:13 GMT

#114

On September 14 2011 23:11 Koenig99 wrote:
So how much did the nerfs change Garen? Wont have a chance to try him until tomorrow.

well on paper he is weaker until he goes back the first time. After you go back and come with boots and 3 dblades your stronger. I think it will lead into more passivity at early levels into a better mid-lategame.

crate

United States2474 Posts

September 14 2011 14:21 GMT

#115

On September 14 2011 23:13 clickrush wrote:

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You need at least 50 bonus AD before the after-patch Judgment does as much damage as the pre-patch one, and if you want to have the same damage from Q + E you need significantly more (the math is complicated because Q scales off of total AD so Garen's AD from leveling up comes into play).

You however are 100% definitively weaker with 3 dblade + boots after this patch goes up.

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

September 14 2011 14:31 GMT

#116

On September 14 2011 23:21 crate wrote:

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yeah its true:

ratio buff: 0.2*3=0.6
damage nerf: 10*3=30
30/0.6=50

so its even worse. You need to go back at least 2 times to have the same/more power than prepatch. Riot really wants passive gameplay hard.

little fancy

Germany2504 Posts

September 15 2011 10:30 GMT

#117

What do nao?

If only those EUW servers would come back online so I could try how hard that nerf really hits...

However, maybe we just have to play Garen with other masteries / rune setups.

Quints + yellows = +11 flat bonus AD? Starting with Doran's Blade and +3 bonus damage from offensive tree it would be 50+ (24 x 1.4) = 83,6 dmg per tick on judgment lvl 1.

Or perhabs he should be played with defensive masteries now (9/21/0 probaby) going something like D-Blade -> Boots [-> Brutalizer in between?] -> Infinity Edge -> tanky.

He will not be the wtfinstagib champ in the early game anymore but is still scary and punishes overextending (the enemy now has to eat 3 spins instead of 2 to become dangerously low).

Or I am just too excited about the nerf and Garen is still roflstomping from lvl 1-11.

Anyone here to share some experience post Riven-patch?

topoulo

253 Posts

September 19 2011 22:51 GMT

#118

Garen was average hero at best on high elo , right now hes just awfull ,

Woony

Germany6657 Posts

September 23 2011 14:36 GMT

#119

On September 20 2011 07:51 topoulo wrote:
Garen was average hero at best on high elo , right now hes just awfull ,

Elementz put him in Tier 1 for soloqueue, why do you think he is awful?