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On February 05 2013 08:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I wrote a brief Xin guide for another site, covers the basics.
Thanks for this little guide, your extra portion the main guide doesn't have helped a lot. Right now I can play every role comfortably except for jungle, so when I get stuck with jungle it feels very foreign. Practicing the past few days with Xin Zhao has already started feeling normal and with your guide it helps a lot, thank you.
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bly, AS marks, AD quints, you need to switch them up. It's just straight up efficiency loss to ever do AD marks and AS quints instead of the other way around.
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yea someone told me that, the only set i run now is aspd reds and ad quints, forgot to change it in the guide. I was experimenting with the other set because I felt like I didn't need that much aspd to clear and ad damage is better for fights.
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If you think you only need 10% AS, that's totally fine, so then just run 6 AS Reds and then 3 AD/ArPen/whatever Reds, I'm just saying that AD Quint Efficiency:AS Quint Efficiency > AD Mark Efficiency:AS Mark Efficiency, so it's just strictly wrong to favor AD on Marks and AS on Quints when those are the two stats you're looking to get.
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I see, what do you think of ad vs apen? AD is more damage earlier? Chauster runs apen reds, IWDominate runs AD and Crumbz runs aspd.
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On January 30 2013 08:14 Slayer91 wrote:
That only works if you're already ahead enough that you don't need R to win trades. R gives you resists as well as scaling off current hp meaning you're crippling yourself if you save it. It's usually cheaper to ward or wait.
Depending on R to escape by itself is bad plan. An escape mechanism being an ultimate means its too long/shouldn't actually count as escape mechanism
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I almost feel like building a bit of AP on xin now is just plain solid. Nashors is just such a stupidly fun item to get on him early and allows a lot of strange tactics. Mix in a spirit visage and randuins (which was largely untouched by the belt nerfs) and you have a super durable core that synergises really well. the big CDR and chunk of AP makes darting around fights and chasing with your E pretty stupid, when you get to midgame you end up having 3 seconds or so between E>Q abilities and carries literally cannot do squat.
Will hybrid xin become a thing? I hope so.
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On February 05 2013 14:23 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I see, what do you think of ad vs apen? AD is more damage earlier? Chauster runs apen reds, IWDominate runs AD and Crumbz runs aspd.
I like to do full AS Reds on Jungle Xin with AD Quints, though that's a layover from the season 2 jungle, I haven't really studied how ArPen impacts your clear times in season 3. ArPen synergizes very well with his passive and the base damages on his Q and Ult though, so for killing squishy champions in particular, it is quite good on paper.
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On February 05 2013 15:38 GhostOwl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 08:14 Slayer91 wrote:
That only works if you're already ahead enough that you don't need R to win trades. R gives you resists as well as scaling off current hp meaning you're crippling yourself if you save it. It's usually cheaper to ward or wait. Depending on R to escape by itself is bad plan. An escape mechanism being an ultimate means its too long/shouldn't actually count as escape mechanism
You haven't played much malphite I take it? LOL
Also I was running armpen/ad or ad/ad on xin since I figured that damn attack speed steriod is up a lot of the time anyway but then again as is more efficient gold wise I just assumed it wasn't worth it for jungling but I havent tested it yet.
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Yea, idk, I haven't devoted much time to optimizing jungle Xin, he's mostly a top laner to me.
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He was mostly a top laner for until I realized how fucking op he is everywhere so I just pick him for all the things
jungle xin can't farm that fast without blue but he has ridiculous ganks so it makes up for it.
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I just think Vi is all round a stronger jungler.
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I'd just like to mention that at the end of preseason 3, on the NA server, I held by far the highest win rate on Xin at 65% with by far the most games played with close to 200 out of anyone above 2100. I started playing him when Dylan/Vayneauthority showed how OP he was top lane near the end of season 2. I'm posting this for posterity so that I will be remembered as a true hipster and not someone who jumped on the Xin jungle bandwagon after LCS. Thanks.
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true hipsters don't need to flex their e-peen IMHO, but w/e floats your boat I guess. Xin's already been trending upwards in popularity too, I sincerely doubt that it will spike further rather than just continuing to trend upwards (he's just been showing up again and again in tournaments that are gradually getting more NA exposure).
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On February 05 2013 18:49 Mogwai wrote:
I just think Vi is all round a stronger jungler.
vi doesnt compare past the early game though nobody else can fuck up a whole team by just going balls deep
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On February 09 2013 01:16 FSKi wrote:I just want my Warring Kingdoms Xin Zhao already... 
bought lu bu and warring xin just a second ago..so happy ;3
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I'l stick with my Viscero Xin for now
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Thanks for the build zulu, shit is wrecking people in norms lol.
Loving the new skin, Saint inspired me so much with his Xin manmodeness in LCS that I'm considering maining him jung, since I don't really have one besides Shaco.
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On February 08 2013 20:04 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 18:49 Mogwai wrote:
I just think Vi is all round a stronger jungler. vi doesnt compare past the early game though nobody else can fuck up a whole team by just going balls deep
she does. they bring different things to the table... Xin's AoE initiate is stronger, but Vi can train down and destroy a single target much better and cleans up tanks at the end of fights much better. basically I think that Xin's probably slightly stronger as a competitive jungler and that Vi is slightly stronger as a solo queue jungler, but they're both undoubtably ahead of the curve across the board.
On February 09 2013 10:39 coopes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 01:16 FSKi wrote:I just want my Warring Kingdoms Xin Zhao already... bought lu bu and warring xin just a second ago..so happy ;3
warring kingdoms Xin is Zhao Yun btw. my only regret is that we don't have a character who's model lends itself to a Guan Yu skin.
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