EPT[Champion] Warwick - Page 15
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:12 BlackMagister wrote: Hmm it seems like SV and some WW in IPL are rushing FM after Wriggles. I suppose it isn't that different from someone like Shyvanna grabbing FM early for some CC just WW doesn't go FM atmas. So it seems unnecessary to rush the health component that comes with FM. The AAA top laner that played today went chalice > wits end > FM I believe. However he was lanign against a Vlad in a double AP comp. It was very effective though. He might have even had a spirit visage thrown in there... I can't recall. It almost feels unfair how convenient it is for WW to itemize resists without sacrificing anything. Heavy AD? Wriggles, Frozen Heart, Randuins. Heavy AP? Chalice, Wits, Spirit visage and which negatron item fits best at the time, all seem viable. I dunno, I suppose the armor heavy build is true for most top laners, I guess there are just a lot of items that provide MR that seem to suit WW really well. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 26 2012 02:25 Slayer91 wrote: You're not understanding the situation. Udyr and especially irelia run in and burst you and easily outtrade you meaning there's no items you can make that are going to make you win the trade. The thing is when their shit is on CD you can heal up with wriggles so even if the armour isn't totally efficient wits end doesn't really help you since the ww passive nerf it's not enough to keep you healthy. And I can't see how WW beats irelia. Your q damage gets healed up so fast haha. If you look at it this way, during trades you heal up a decent amount attacking them and since irelia does true damage you know health is the only way to counter that aside from not getting hit. (Frozen/randuins) I feel like warwick is meant to win the lane by out harassing with his Q in lane, since he heals and harasses, and trades decently. The combination of sustain+insane trading counters that in lane which irelia and udyr are best at. I think WW comes out ahead in every right click and see what happens fight post-wriggle's + wit's, but his engagement/disengagement is pretty poor. I think WW vs. Udyr/Irelia should be freefarm lanes that are more or less decided by jungler ganks, but he will 100% lose either of these lanes via non-wriggle's builds or anything that tries to heavily lean on his Q. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
How can WW deal with Yorick? Yorick just outharrasses WW sustain and he's screwed as soon as he runs out of mana(which happens pretty fast) and needs to b back to base. I'm thinking Chalice would work somewhat because it gives you basically infinite mana, but it feels retarded to rush that vs Yorick who does mostly physical dmg. Another idea is to rush Glacial and then basically use the extra armor and manapool for some sustain and B to base each time you run out of mana. However in both cases WW is going to get significantly outfarmed by Yorick. What do? Also how about masteries? At least 10 in DEF is imo absolutely necessary because -4 dmg from minions is mandatory vs Yorick, but what apart from that? And which runes? I'd go armor quint armor yellow mres blue and probably aspd red or maybe AD red for lasthitting(feels stupid though). Thoughts? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
people are still way too attached to the chalice and tank out theory to playing lanewick. just get wit's and wriggle's and right click on people. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23356 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:41 Mogwai wrote: I think WW comes out ahead in every right click and see what happens fight post-wriggle's + wit's, but his engagement/disengagement is pretty poor. I think WW vs. Udyr/Irelia should be freefarm lanes that are more or less decided by jungler ganks, but he will 100% lose either of these lanes via non-wriggle's builds or anything that tries to heavily lean on his Q. Alright, guess I would'nt know when nobody goes wriggles on lanewick for some reason. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
I figure in general wriggles would provide similar if not greater returns considering the increase in jungling speed. And WW's early game isn't that shit hot, so there's no need to gimp him further. But damn, I love me dem gp5 items. I feel like randuins and shurelias are things I'd like to get on WW anyway. But I'm probably just saying that to blind myself from how much they would make him suck early game. Maybe just one? It can be my xmas AAAAND birthday present, pretty please? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:46 Dgiese wrote: Oh, I wanted to ask: Thoughts on HoG and/or Philo on Jungle WW (or even lanewick if he can get away with it). I figure in general wriggles would provide similar if not greater returns considering the increase in jungling speed. And WW's early game isn't that shit hot, so there's no need to gimp him further. But damn, I love me dem gp5 items. I feel like randuins and shurelias are things I'd like to get on WW anyway. But I'm probably just saying that to blind myself from how much they would make him suck early game. Maybe just one? It can be my xmas AAAAND birthday present, pretty please? why do I bother writing guides if people don't read them? I say in the guide that HoG is usually my next item after wriggles... sigh... Philo is a waste though, really no need for it on him and reverie isn't that great on him as all he really likes off of it are the CDR and the active. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 02:40 Mogwai wrote: why do I bother writing guides if people don't read them? You like reading yourself type? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 29 2012 02:54 Juicyfruit wrote: Are there any lanes where you can skip wriggles and instead use that money for vamp scepter + phage? in those lanes you don't even get vamp scepter. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Played a ranked game today where I go for a CDR build, I got Frozen Heat, Wits, Wriggle,Visage, Merc then I manage to dominate. Got 4k gold at that point. Not an one side game though. Often we got 2 left or 1 left after exchanges. Apart from GA I don't know what to buy, I end up selling my Visage and wriggle for a Bloodthrister, a GA, and thornmail. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 21 2012 02:27 Caphe wrote: What do you guys recommend when get to super-late game or you are quite fed? Played a ranked game today where I go for a CDR build, I got Frozen Heat, Wits, Wriggle,Visage, Merc then I manage to dominate. Got 4k gold at that point. Not an one side game though. Open we got 2 left or 1 left after exchanges. Apart from GA I don't know what to buy, I end up selling my Visage and wriggle for a Bloodthrister, a GA, and thornmail. Ideal final 6 item build is probably something like: Wit's Trinity Bloodrazor Frozen Heart GA Mercs +triple elixir. At least IMO. I know a lot of people would criticize the lack of HP in the build, but I really don't think WW needs that much HP with 34-40% CDR with his Q. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
You still get Razor in a CDR build? I agree that WW doesn't need HP since late game you have like 300 armor and your Q can sustain you well enough. Tri-force seems nice, will get in next time I got fed  .But is Visage still needed late game, if you only have Frozen <3 as your CDR you are no where near 40% reduction. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 21 2012 02:42 Caphe wrote: Thanks alot Mog!! You still get Razor in a CDR build? I agree that WW doesn't need HP since late game you have like 300 armor and your Q can sustain you well enough. Tri-force seems nice, will get in next time I got fed .But is Visage still needed late game, if you only have Frozen <3 as your CDR you are no where near 40% reduction. Well, basically I'm saying I'd do: Wriggle's Wit's Triforce Frozen Heart GA Mercs then pump elixers and then upgrade Wriggle's to BR if I ever got that much money. With blue elixir + Frozen Heart + Offensive CDR Mastery, you're at 34%. If you're specced 9/21/0 instead, you'll be capped. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Wriggles, Wits, Mallet, Randuins, Frozen, Boots. I suppose switching omen for GA is an option when someone else on my team gets it, but that rarely ever happens. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Then again though, I rarely end up in position to eat burst when playing ww because I just stand back until the initiation has already gone down and I can fully isolate someone. | ||
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