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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 21 2012 20:21 GMT
#61
On June 22 2012 05:07 De4ngus wrote:
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On June 22 2012 05:03 Ghost-z wrote:
I would also rate Sorcs better than CD boots. Mpen = more damage = more heal with Q. So CD boots don't really improve your sustain by much, if at all vs Sorcs.

except cdr is also more damage.....


And more health returned, considering the healing part of Q is independent of the damage done.
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
June 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#62
Nice timing for this to be bumped.

I'm not a vlad player but on the LoL forums the public has been complaining about the delay between skills after you use your ultimate, anyone else acknowledging this issue?
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
June 21 2012 23:37 GMT
#63
I did not realize that Vlads Q was a flat heal. I always thought it was a % of damage dealt. In that case CD boots would be better in most situations except burst damage teamfights (kennen vlad combo comes to mind). In any prolonged fight CD boots should pull ahead easy over sorcs.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 03:41:01
June 21 2012 23:38 GMT
#64
I go 40% CDR with boots and SV rush, autowin any lane problem?
or cdr boots + dfg ^^
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 21 2012 23:42 GMT
#65
Just in case, you know DFG has cdr because saying it's hard to itemize it on Vlad, right? R->DFG is brutal.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17284 Posts
June 22 2012 00:36 GMT
#66
On June 22 2012 05:24 RogerX wrote:
Nice timing for this to be bumped.

I'm not a vlad player but on the LoL forums the public has been complaining about the delay between skills after you use your ultimate, anyone else acknowledging this issue?

I'm pretty sure I've noticed it, but it DEFINITELY shouldn't be buffed to have a faster animation. Vlad is far too strong right now the way things are and that would be a pretty significant buff.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 01:45:46
June 22 2012 01:42 GMT
#67
On June 22 2012 08:37 Ghost-z wrote:
I did not realize that Vlads Q was a flat heal. I always thought it was a % of damage dealt. In that case CD boots would be better in most situations except burst damage teamfights (kennen vlad combo comes to mind). In any prolonged fight CD boots should pull ahead easy over sorcs.


In fact, if you Q a Sivir, say, under her spellshield, you will do no damage whatsoever to her, yet still get healed.

EDIT: what is this Vlad bug exactly? Is it a buff or a nerf?
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 22 2012 02:27 GMT
#68
On June 22 2012 05:14 Alzadar wrote:
Forgetting about Vladimir's ultimate for a second (which I think would weigh towards CDR because of the fact that is often not up when you would want it to be), CDR boots will be better any time they allow you to get off additional spells in a fight, which is pretty often. If you're getting off the same numbers of spells either way, MPen is obviously better.

Then of course there's the added utility from a reduced Pool cooldown, and the fact that you can't easily itemize CDR for Vlad but you can always get Void Staff... seems to weigh in the CDR boots' favor.

With enough CDR you can do a pretty powerful combo of RQE W QE Hourglass QE (wait 1-2 seconds) W QE, during which it's pretty damn impossible to kill you.

Pretty much this. I main as Vlad, and while I'm only a noob level 22, the shortened CD on W has saved me countless times. The above described combo is simply lethal in team fights. I'd always get CDR over anything else.
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D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
July 28 2012 10:34 GMT
#69
My build is boots -> hextech -> sorc/merc/ionian[if they have a lot of poke] -> Kage and I'm stuck at this point before I used to build wota but i don't think it's completely worth it anymore, 1300 for 40ap and 8 more life steal or, go for giant belt? Going giant belt will get me another 10 ap becaues of passive or going for the wota i get 58 hp i dont feel like its worth it.

Any suggestions? I mean I'll get it eventually and if im already killing them then going for my blasting wand/amp tome for rylais.
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ThE)ShoWTimE
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy213 Posts
July 28 2012 12:05 GMT
#70
On July 28 2012 19:34 D u o wrote:
My build is boots -> hextech -> sorc/merc/ionian[if they have a lot of poke] -> Kage and I'm stuck at this point before I used to build wota but i don't think it's completely worth it anymore, 1300 for 40ap and 8 more life steal or, go for giant belt? Going giant belt will get me another 10 ap becaues of passive or going for the wota i get 58 hp i dont feel like its worth it.

Any suggestions? I mean I'll get it eventually and if im already killing them then going for my blasting wand/amp tome for rylais.

after the revolver i like to build either a rilays in which case i get the belt 1st or an abyssal in which case i get the cloack 1st, it depends on laning opponent and situation, if really really ahead i get an NLR but that's really rare..
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 14 2012 16:34 GMT
#71
So I want to play Vlad during the remaining free week (I did one game, badly) to see if he's a potential future purchase for me. Can someone give me a breakdown of good/bad matchups for him? The one game I played I picked vs Xin and got my face pushed in, though that could have been because I was using a shit rune setup. He did a looot of damage at low levels, though. Now I've got an MPen red, HP/18 yellow, AP blue, AP Quint page, 21/0/9, and will be running him Flash/Ignite. Seem ok?

Sorry to ask basic questions, I couldn't really find any guides out there that didn't seem troll-y or pretty out of date.
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Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
September 14 2012 17:35 GMT
#72
If you can survive until 7/9 while farm reasonably well, it's generally a good matchup. Xin is quite bursty early on and should destroy Vlad until after laning phase. (Last time I played Xin vs Vlad 2 weeks ago, I won with AP runes, meh)

You want to run flat armor seals and/or flat mr glyphs depending on the matchup. Flash is fine for mid, but Ghost is better on top.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 14 2012 17:45 GMT
#73
On September 15 2012 01:34 Requizen wrote:
So I want to play Vlad during the remaining free week (I did one game, badly) to see if he's a potential future purchase for me. Can someone give me a breakdown of good/bad matchups for him? The one game I played I picked vs Xin and got my face pushed in, though that could have been because I was using a shit rune setup. He did a looot of damage at low levels, though. Now I've got an MPen red, HP/18 yellow, AP blue, AP Quint page, 21/0/9, and will be running him Flash/Ignite. Seem ok?

Sorry to ask basic questions, I couldn't really find any guides out there that didn't seem troll-y or pretty out of date.


I have similar questions. I've played Vlad a lot, and won/even lanes vs. WW, Jax, Kennen, and others, but I got bullied by a Miss Fortune (who honestly was a better player/more experienced with the champ, and more jungle support) and Yorik (same) any protips?
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 14 2012 17:48 GMT
#74
Vladimir does pretty bad against champions that gapclose well, like Irelia. He also has some difficulty against champions that sustain better than him (typically mana-based sustain), like Nidalee/Kayle/AP WW/Irelia (yet again)/Swain.
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 14 2012 17:59 GMT
#75
Don't forget dshields. Or spirit visage. Or cdr boots. All situational but always good to keep them in mind since they're fairly overlooked.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 14 2012 18:11 GMT
#76
On September 15 2012 02:35 Yiruru wrote:
If you can survive until 7/9 while farm reasonably well, it's generally a good matchup. Xin is quite bursty early on and should destroy Vlad until after laning phase. (Last time I played Xin vs Vlad 2 weeks ago, I won with AP runes, meh)

You want to run flat armor seals and/or flat mr glyphs depending on the matchup. Flash is fine for mid, but Ghost is better on top.


On September 15 2012 02:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Vladimir does pretty bad against champions that gapclose well, like Irelia. He also has some difficulty against champions that sustain better than him (typically mana-based sustain), like Nidalee/Kayle/AP WW/Irelia (yet again)/Swain.


That was the feeling that I got, you're not that strong in a duel until items/levels. Seems to be effective vs melee with no/poor gap closers. I spent most of my time trying to farm with autos/Q and then pool when he charged, seemed to be about all I could do :\

Next two questions: if I decide to add him to my top roster, what matchups is he very strong against and should be picked into? And what's the reasoning behind Ghost top over Flash?
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 14 2012 18:18 GMT
#77
Lane's longer and ghost pool can save you from a lot of things. You're going to need more sustained dmg vs typical bruisers that flash doesn't really do for you. Ghost can be abusive vs melees. You can be cool and go ghost flash.
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little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
September 14 2012 18:27 GMT
#78
I usually don't play casters, but when I do, I regularly pick Vladimir because he is pretty basic and can pull of crazy plays if you are experienced to some extent. In addition, he's a time bomb: he will be a beast lategame and is a terror to lane against from lvl 9 onwards (unless he got shat on really really hard early game).

For any questions including lane matchup analysis, core items and runes / masteries, I will always recommend CLG.na Chauster's basic Vladimir guide. Nothing new for oldschool Vladimir players, but it helped me tremendously when I was 're-learning' Vladimir after he got nerfed into nothingness and then buffed back to be what he is today.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 21:05:30
September 14 2012 20:58 GMT
#79
On September 15 2012 02:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Vladimir does pretty bad against champions that gapclose well, like Irelia. He also has some difficulty against champions that sustain better than him (typically mana-based sustain), like Nidalee/Kayle/AP WW/Irelia (yet again)/Swain.

Every single game where I laned against a Nidalee was a very easy win. Her heal is only really substantial if she is going AP, and even then the mana costs for the Nidalee heal is really high. You can easily sustain through her AA harass during laning because she won't be able to come into range much of the time in the first place, and when she does your EQ-disengage will leave you winning trades. You shouldn't be getting hit by spears either during laning. IDK, my experiences are Vlad >>>>> Nidalee. One of the easiest matchups for him.

WW is good against Vlad but his ult factors in heavily. Irelia doesn't beat Vlad because of her sustain (which isn't even that great after her sustain nerf) but because she can engage on him incredibly easily and outdamage him by a great deal while also making it difficult or costly for Vlad to disengage. Irelia is good against Vlad for similar reasons as to why Riven, Jarvan, and Xin can be good against Vlad. It's just that Irelia's engage is much more "ensured" while generally being safer. I also don't think Swain beats Vlad because of his sustain. For me it mostly revolves around the fact that in a drawn out fight Swain >>> Vlad, and how you're basically dead if Swain lands a W on you post 6. Swain is similar to Ryze in that regard. Ryze >>> Swain, and it has nothing to do with his sustain. It has to do with the fact that roots and stuns fuck Vlad hard.

tldr; Vlad sucks against people that can engage on wail on him and can prevent or make it difficult for Vlad to disengage. I don't think sustain has much to do with success against Vlad in lane at all, it's more about sustained damage that Vlad can't sustain against.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 22 2012 00:48 GMT
#80
Question:

I have seen a lot of different suggestions on how to build Vlad's masteries (as far as top lane is concerned). Some people say 21-9-0, some people say 9-21-0, and Reapered does 9-0-21. I have tried all of them but I frankly can't make up my mind on this. Does anyone know if any sets of the masteries above is superior, say, in certain match ups?
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