hmm I must say I never really liked CDR blues on Vlad (I don't even have them because so few champs need them and they're so god damn expensive) but since the common build these days seems to be 21 in offense and no SV, there is no other way to reach near 40% CDR so they seem like the best option for blues. Of course when you lane vs. a lot of AP champs you need MR blues no matter what because they'll just twoshot you otherwise.

armindadkhah

United States17 Posts

February 07 2012 17:59 GMT

#42

I suggest tanky vladimir, so get the MR blues.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

February 12 2012 10:25 GMT

#43

Is it just me or does Vlad lose lane really hard to Rumble?

I've played it twice and both times I got wrecked (as Vlad).

Hakker

United States1360 Posts

February 12 2012 11:54 GMT

#44

From my experiene, playing vlad is basically just not dieing levels 1-9, then farming with 4 stack tob, and zoning with q.

Its impossible for almost any champion to trade with a vlad with wota.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

April 24 2012 20:09 GMT

#45

Sorc boots or ionian boots for vladimir? CDR sounds like it would be very good w/ vlad.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

April 24 2012 20:10 GMT

#46

Never sorcs. I wouldn't consider them better than CDR boots, simply because you don't have burst and you rely on being able to spam your spells.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

April 24 2012 20:11 GMT

#47

On April 25 2012 05:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Sorc boots or ionian boots for vladimir? CDR sounds like it would be very good w/ vlad.

I typically go CDR. I've seen Salce go Sorc a few times.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

April 24 2012 20:25 GMT

#48

What are people's opinion of 9/21/0 vlad over 21/9/0 vlad?

Also how does vlad deal w/ olaf? I was reading dyrus's guide on vlad, he said to stack 2 doran's shield, is there any other way to do it?

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

April 24 2012 20:33 GMT

#49

On April 25 2012 05:25 wei2coolman wrote:
What are people's opinion of 9/21/0 vlad over 21/9/0 vlad?

Also how does vlad deal w/ olaf? I was reading dyrus's guide on vlad, he said to stack 2 doran's shield, is there any other way to do it?

I use 9/21/0 per Chauster's recommendation. It's mostly to negate your weak early laning and do more bullying in return.
Most Vlads go 21/9/0 because a farmed Vlad late game is just scary as fuck. Just look at Dyrus. Just expect to get harassed more pre level 9.

No comments vs Olaf, I haven't played vs Olaf much.

De4ngus

United States6533 Posts

April 24 2012 20:45 GMT

#50

chauster and dyrus go 9/21/0 salce does 21/9/0. i almost always get tabi or merc on vlad. sometimes i get cdr though. sorc can be good if you see multiple people at 30 mr. vlad rapes olaf really hard because olaf shouldn't be able to get close enough to do damage and you get free harass on him.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

April 24 2012 21:13 GMT

#51

Honestly, I think 21-defense is actually stronger when you're the dominant one in lane and 21-offense is stronger when you're playing from an even or defensive position, if only as a general rule.

Salce does well with 21-offense because he has a really good grasp of when to go all-in with Vlad against enemy AP mids, and so it works nicely for him.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

April 24 2012 21:16 GMT

#52

Also for runes against AD bruiser top, is it worth getting armor blues?

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

April 24 2012 21:20 GMT

#53

On April 25 2012 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Also for runes against AD bruiser top, is it worth getting armor blues?

Yeah, same reasons MR yellows are good for AP mids even if they're less efficient for the slot.

Lylat

France8575 Posts

April 26 2012 05:42 GMT

#54

Sooo after several normal stomp I decided to try vlad in ranked (I'm around 1400). I called top but eventually someone instalocked LS so I went mid against Annie. Due to my little to nothing knowledge of this champ I didnt know how to play the match up. I ended up giving fb because of a good gank, later on got killed a second time in 1v1got flash bear stun burst out. Teammates started to flame me so I decided to not die again andfarmed a lot. We won the game because LS completly crushed top and I had huge farm... Vlad late game is ridiculously strong ! My build was cdr boots, wota,spirit visage, deathcap, void staff and rylai, do you have any advice ? And what to do against Annie ?
Thanks for the answer !

soverelgne

United Kingdom72 Posts

April 30 2012 04:05 GMT

#55

Your build is good, though I would advise that you consider hourglass for some situations, as having the active on top of your pool gives you an absurd amount of survivability while you are in the middle of the enemy team, which equals into more time to spam tides.

I don't think you can do much against annie, except play passive. You scale much better than her, so if you manage to keep up, and at the same time annie doesn't gank your team too much, you should be ok. Try and trade with her right after she has used her q to farm. I usually don't pick vlad mid, prefer him top, as i think his pokey playstile works in that lane much better.

edit: abyssal vs. a team with large amounts of magic dmg is very good too, especially if you rush it

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

April 30 2012 05:15 GMT

#56

My experience is that annie is really dangerous for vlad because the pool doesn't eat her stun. So you really have no gank resistance unlike vs most champions.

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

May 14 2012 21:21 GMT

#57

I know it's been mentioned a few times in this thread already, but I want to reiterate that E does a ton of damage in team fights. Most importantly it's a ton of *base* damage. As a result of this I realized that Dyrus's tournament build for vlad (sorc/wota/hourglass (real late deathcap)) makes a lot more sense than I realized at first.

Sorcs are better than CDR for trading in lane.
E doesn't like AP as much as CDR or mpen since it has a ton of base damage relative to its scaling.
E/Q have a significant cast times so CDR is annoying for chasing/positioning
Chain vest is nice for top lane after wota.
and Zhonya's active is OP for standing in middle of their team so you can push E again and wreck faces.

I'm just a newbie but since E is half of your damage even against just one target it seems really important to me.

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

June 21 2012 20:03 GMT

#58

I would also rate Sorcs better than CD boots. Mpen = more damage = more heal with Q. So CD boots don't really improve your sustain by much, if at all vs Sorcs.

De4ngus

United States6533 Posts

June 21 2012 20:07 GMT

#59

On June 22 2012 05:03 Ghost-z wrote:
I would also rate Sorcs better than CD boots. Mpen = more damage = more heal with Q. So CD boots don't really improve your sustain by much, if at all vs Sorcs.

except cdr is also more damage.....

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

June 21 2012 20:14 GMT

#60

Forgetting about Vladimir's ultimate for a second (which I think would weigh towards CDR because of the fact that is often not up when you would want it to be), CDR boots will be better any time they allow you to get off additional spells in a fight, which is pretty often. If you're getting off the same numbers of spells either way, MPen is obviously better.

Then of course there's the added utility from a reduced Pool cooldown, and the fact that you can't easily itemize CDR for Vlad but you can always get Void Staff... seems to weigh in the CDR boots' favor.

With enough CDR you can do a pretty powerful combo of RQE W QE Hourglass QE (wait 1-2 seconds) W QE, during which it's pretty damn impossible to kill you.