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On July 03 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Can someone who is better at LoL than me explain why I should be getting spectral wraith and why I shouldn't be getting revolver/wota? Also why should I be getting liandry's over abyssal scepter?
Wraith gives a large amount of spellvamp and some much needed CDR, WotA is usually better in the lategame, esp. paired with an appropriate mage, ryze/karth/kennen
Should you get liandry's? I reaaaaaally dont think so, I can't remember ever doing well with it except one game against a high-hp stacking team with a Graves.
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On July 03 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Can someone who is better at LoL than me explain why I should be getting spectral wraith and why I shouldn't be getting revolver/wota? Also why should I be getting liandry's over abyssal scepter?
WotA vs Wraith is 100% situational. Sometimes you need the Wraith CDR and the cheap midgame power spike, sometimes you want WotA to make that lategame Ryze on your team a beast. It totally varies.
Abyssal vs Liandry's, on the other hand? Get an abyssal, that item is so sick o.o
Also Liandry's ain't so good with Vlad.
EDIT: Damn it Dusty 
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Rylai/Liandrys is something I would do on Vlad vs a really tanky team, like Malphite mid, Rammus jungle, Shen top with Leona support or something. Otherwise I'd just go for mass AP and concentrate on burst.
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On July 03 2013 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
Rylai/Liandrys is something I would do on Vlad vs a really tanky team, like Malphite mid, Rammus jungle, Shen top with Leona support or something. Otherwise I'd just go for mass AP and concentrate on burst.
Playing Vlad you cant concentrate on burst, thanks to his low ratio damage (in comparison with other AP burst champ) but also his low cooldown he is a naturally sustain damage champ.
Probably the best setup is a mix of AP/HP to let him stay in fight longer and take advantage of his dps.
My build for Vlad:
- Rylai (I never skip this item, it give some cc and give some kite potential vs melee champ)
- Liandrys ( i get it 90% cause his sinergy with Rylai is awesome and double the damage of Liandrys passive, plus give both ap/hp for your passive)
- Cooldown boots : Core item, prefer this over sorcerer cause i can take MagicPenetration from nice item like Liandry's,abyssal or void staff. Instead there arent a lot of good item with CD that fit with vlad so well.
Other items depends on enemy team
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why I should be getting spectral wraith and why I shouldn't be getting revolver/wota?
Spectral wraith builds out of a revolver though? o.o
I feel like as vlad especially in top lane you need all the additional cheap power you can get your hands on due to your crappy early game. Most of the time you want to rush a revolver in lane and then for a mere 800 gold (cheaper if you started with rejuv bead!) you can slap on 10%cdr+spellvamp. Wota on the other hand is a lot more expensive and is generally picked up lategame to synergize with other ap casters and even then its use is highly questionable. I just don't think it's worth the loss of early/midgame power.
As for myself, am I the only one around with trouble laning against the likes of renekton/tryndamere/rengar without jungler help? They all have free sustain, gap closer, and more often than not they end up sustaining through the q/auto spam and just farm. Either way after a back or two unless I absolutely crushed them in lane I will get bullied because they just dash to my face and force pool or win trades. I run 9/21/0 ms quints, pen reds, flat armor yellows and flat mr blues. I'm really thinking of getting ap quints/cdr blues instead to help out but I'm not sure if that'll solve my problems. If nothing else works for me I guess I'll resort to just rushing rylai against them every game.
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On July 04 2013 00:35 WuzzupPeeps wrote:Show nested quote +why I should be getting spectral wraith and why I shouldn't be getting revolver/wota? Spectral wraith builds out of a revolver though? o.o I feel like as vlad especially in top lane you need all the additional cheap power you can get your hands on due to your crappy early game. Most of the time you want to rush a revolver in lane and then for a mere 800 gold (cheaper if you started with rejuv bead!) you can slap on 10%cdr+spellvamp. Wota on the other hand is a lot more expensive and is generally picked up lategame to synergize with other ap casters and even then its use is highly questionable. I just don't think it's worth the loss of early/midgame power. As for myself, am I the only one around with trouble laning against the likes of renekton/tryndamere/rengar without jungler help? They all have free sustain, gap closer, and more often than not they end up sustaining through the q/auto spam and just farm. Either way after a back or two unless I absolutely crushed them in lane I will get bullied because they just dash to my face and force pool or win trades. I run 9/21/0 ms quints, pen reds, flat armor yellows and flat mr blues. I'm really thinking of getting ap quints/cdr blues instead to help out but I'm not sure if that'll solve my problems. If nothing else works for me I guess I'll resort to just rushing rylai against them every game.
Against high sustain champions you need to run AP quints to do anything to them in lane. You don't necessarily need the CDR blues though. You should be opening cloth+5 -> seekers and then a revolver. It's generally a good idea to grab a haunting guise as well for the mpen and slight increase in tankiness before finishing the hourglass.
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Is there anybody that actually counters Vlad top lane?
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Irelia used to be a strong pick against Vlad in S2 but that was a long time ago and things have changed a lot, so I don't know if it's still that way. Swain has always been strong against Vlad and Ryze as well. Melee champs that have strong engages and strong early games have been pretty good too, like Jarvan and Riven, if the Vlad isn't being careful enough.
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hello fellow Shinobu fans~
So I've been playing a lot more Vlad in recent weeks, especially after watching FeniX do surprisingly well with him during the NA LCS playoffs. (pff, who would've thunk, amirite?) I find him much suited for Mid than Top because he can actually harass mages out of lane as opposed to tanks/Cinderhulks (good luck trying to push a Mao'Kai out of lane who did Raptors at level 1)
Runes
Marks: MPen
standard issue
Seals: HP/Level
obv the best scaling Seals for Vlad but also the sudden drop in AD Mid Lanes solidifies this choice even more
Glyphs: CDR/Level
I think majority of Vlads I research actually go AP/Level just for more damage but I view/play Vlad more as an attrition Mid Lane than burst. Hitting 40% CDR or close to early on is immensely helpful.
Quints: 2 Spell Vamp, 1 MS
again, this is my personal preference and fits my attrition play style. Standard here would be Flat AP.
Masteries: 21 0 9
21 9 0 also works but I enjoy the MS at all phases of the game and I can do without the extra health. Not sure how wise this is tbh.
Item build:
Doran's Shield, Hextech Revolver, Ionian Boots, Luden's Echo, Zhonya's, Void Staff, Deathcap
Topics for discussion
- Is there any reason for me to ever go WotA early? Like either immediately before or after Luden's Echo. I'm already heavily invested in CDR/Spell Vamp already from Runes/Masteries but would it be worthwhile to spec in more AP if I go WotA?
- NLR item build. Echo giving MS is one of the enjoyable changes for Vlad when Rito changed it from DFG to Echo. I can always chase up to someone with Echo + Boots. But is Echo a better power spike than Deathcap or is Deathcap too greedy as a first NLR item?
- I've tried out Rylai's on Vlad, especially in games where it's very brawl-y, with a lot of tanks on both sides. I used to do Rylai's/Liandry's on Vlad in the past but it seems like an inferior build nowadays.
- Late game/6 items, I tend to drop Ionian Boots back over for Sorc. If I keep Revolver and upgrade it into WotA, I can still hit max CDR with Blue Buff, so more MPen makes sense.
Anyways, I thought I bump this thread to see if anyone else is playing Vlad currently. Weak but pretty easy mode laning phase but his late game is pretty amazeballs due to scaling+Hemoplague.
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Thanks for the write up Neo.
I've actually picked Vladimir as my go to mid lane champion so I'm super appreciative of your write up.
As for someone who is very inexperienced in the ways of Vladimir, are there any mid lane match ups that you guys think I should avoid, or is Vladimir a pretty safe pick?
I'll post back here with more questions after I've played around with Vladimir a little more.
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United States37500 Posts
In regards to Mid Lane matchups, the most difficult lane I've played against was Azir. If you try to Q Azir, you'll get poked 2-3 times by a solider and that does more damage than you can heal off at any point pre-6. You're better off farming with Q and wave clearing with 4 stack E under turret. All in when the time is appropriate and W to dodge key spells.
Champions with long range poke (e.g. Ziggs, Lux) can be annoying if you aren't too good at strafing. But if you can manage to dodge spells like Bouncing Bomb and Lucent Singularity, then lane becomes incredibly easy with your point and click harass.
Oh, and Swain. Pray you never ever lane against Swain as Vlad.
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