EPT[Champion] Vladimir - Page 2
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Logrus
United States228 Posts
On December 07 2011 02:50 STS17 wrote: I have been running 21/9/0 getting flat MR and vet scars in defense and using flat hp quints mpen reds hp/lvl seals and flat mr glyphs with some success. Normally opening boots and three, but occasionally tome. I disagree with your choice of hp quints for a few reasons 1) ap quint is more gold value in ur quint slot tome 20 ap =435g 05 ap =108.75g ruby 180 hp = 475g 026 hp = 68.611111g 2) vlad passive is literally 20x (twenty times!) better for AP than HP, so you get more than a quints worth of hps out of it 1ap = 1.8hp vs 40hp = 1ap 15ap quints (~330g) + 27 hps passive (~70g) = 400g of stats or 78hp quints (~210g) + 1.975 ap passive (~40g) = 250g of stats 2.5) you already get tons of bonus health with hp/lvl yellows and vet scars, which works out to ~18 bonus hp per level (but better than that actually since 30 of it is up front) 3. Vlads' early game is pathetic and if ur opponents can laugh at ur horrible early Q dmg then imo it doesn't matter if u move faster or can take 1x more auto attack before getting zoned or dying I would strongly recommend you switch to AP quints and see what you think. I believe you'll find you're much more of a threat early game. The bonus AP severely impacts the damage of your q from levels 1-4 when you attempt to trade harass. I personally use flat cdr blues for just under 10% cdr at level 1, but If you still use the flat mr blues you'll still be just as tanky anyway, not to mention ap quints slightly increase healing from Q. Also, it enables you to always open boot 3 instead of feeling like you need tome for early oomph, and/or needing move quints to dodge early skillshots (when you don't open boots) | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On December 07 2011 05:57 Logrus wrote: I disagree with your choice of hp quints for a few reasons 1) ap quint is more gold value in ur quint slot tome 20 ap =435g 05 ap =108.75g ruby 180 hp = 475g 026 hp = 68.611111g 2) vlad passive is literally 20x (twenty times!) better for AP than HP, so you get more than a quints worth of hps out of it 1ap = 1.8hp vs 40hp = 1ap 15ap quints (~330g) + 27 hps passive (~70g) = 400g of stats or 78hp quints (~210g) + 1.975 ap passive (~40g) = 250g of stats 2.5) you already get tons of bonus health with hp/lvl yellows and vet scars, which works out to ~18 bonus hp per level (but better than that actually since 30 of it is up front) 3. Vlads' early game is pathetic and if ur opponents can laugh at ur horrible early Q dmg then imo it doesn't matter if u move faster or can take 1x more auto attack before getting zoned or dying I would strongly recommend you switch to AP quints and see what you think. I believe you'll find you're much more of a threat early game. The bonus AP severely impacts the damage of your q from levels 1-4 when you attempt to trade harass. I personally use flat cdr blues for just under 10% cdr at level 1, but If you still use the flat mr blues you'll still be just as tanky anyway, not to mention ap quints slightly increase healing from Q. Also, it enables you to always open boot 3 instead of feeling like you need tome for early oomph, and/or needing move quints to dodge early skillshots (when you don't open boots) I care much less about the gold value of the quints and much more about having a higher health total to not die horribly during your extremely weak first few levels. I don't see the point of you point 3. If you can take one more auto attack then that's a very large increase in the chance you get away alive instead of dieing and feeding their mid 300 gold. I've used both, and I'm more comfortable with the hp quints in most situations. I don't believe either choice is strictly better or worse than the other however. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
I recently just picked him up again for the first time after the nerf...and damn he is different I feel really weak with him now and his early game is terribad. I feel like he got neutered pretty hard. I feel like I contribute only when either I am farmed or fed considering he just isnt a stellar caster. The only thing he is good for is his ult which is meh | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I have been going boots 3pots into WotA->sorcs then either Rylais or DC. After those it depends, I like abyssal for MR, I went Warmogs once IDK if that was a stupid idea but I had 5K health and it was sweet. Anyway yeah I find him really fun | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
can someone explain to me his drawbacks? i understand his early game problems but he just feels so strong late that its worth it | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
1) If you look at most other good mid-lane champions, they all bring something more to the table than Vlad. His lack of any good CC is especially problematic. 2) Vlad has no roaming potential, which means the pressure on other lanes is reduced compared to a champion like Karthus, Leblanc, Kassadin, etc. Vlad top lane is doable, though he has to compete with a potential Kennen top lane, who has a pretty solid CC that can get a good stun off for potential top lane gank pressure. That being said, if Vlad can get a good ultimate off during team fights, then he becomes much more valuable than Kennen, so it's a toss up really. I think the choice of whether to run Vlad top lane depends on who you want to run as your jungler for the most part. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I have mostly played him top but it seems he has decent roaming potential. He can 2 shot minions waves at 4 stack E with a Q on the cannon minions and I have gone to gank mid after this. If your mid has a hard CC to go with your slow they should die. He also seems to have insane AoE burst between E and R while sustaining himself like crazy. W also heals you while making the fight easier for your team and Q is just a big nuke. Maybe its just my 1300~ elo opponents are unsure as to how to fight against him but he just feels very good. And having double or even triple WotA later is so strong. All I ever hear is how bad he is, I just think he is very underrated. | ||
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fantasticoranges
1327 Posts
In the patch notes it said that vlad's speed boost after using pool got removed, but I still get a speed boost, and that speed boost helped me get a kill yesterday, and today i even checked my ms so i know i got a boost for sure. so is this supposed to happen, or did riot not actually remove the speed boost? and rune / masteries ideas? for runes i do red: mpen yellow: hp per level blues / quints: flat ap the mpen becaue mpen is awesome the hp per level because i'm not sure what else, i could use armor but i figured hp per level worked pretty well and salce runs it so why not the blues are personal preference mostly, i know it's usually ap per level used since they even out really quickly but i feel like vlads weakest point being early game means that if i get stomped too hard early then the ap per level won't matter as much since i won't be doing much damage anyway, but with flat ap (so around 30 ap at lvl 1) i can go into lane and Q the other guy for a 4th of his hp that makes my crap early game much stronger and mid game i just use vlad's naturally awesome laning to continue farming / harassing and all that quints i still like flat ap for the reasons above i used move speed before but there's a lot of people (ryze esp) that when i go up against them mid, ms doesn't help me i walk up to Q, he Qs me anyway because i think their spells have the same range so it just makes the trade better masteries i got 21/9/0 and i get 2% crit chance because i'm not sure if i like the tiny 1% damage boost anywhere near as much in 9 def i go 3 in mr, 1 in armor, 4 in hp(i think this is what it is, whatever is in 2nd tier), last one in +30 hp | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On February 02 2012 23:14 Hakker wrote: Was watching voyboy stream last night and he basically said something to the effect of vlad being the most annoying and one of the strongest top laners atm, and that spellvamp quints help him out alot. Do you know the exact setup he runs? | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On February 02 2012 23:29 Doctorbeat wrote: I've played Vlad mid a few times today, and I feel that he's still very vulnerable to champions with poke. Even starting boots I had trouble laning against Xerath, Orianna and Cassio. The only way I was able to outlane them was to have them blow their mana early on so I could farm my health back up with Q. Top might be more suited to Vlad. The solution is to come to lane with 70 MR through runes. You do retarded damage with tides later on anyways and no one can do anything to yiu when you're 7 and have revolver. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
Is Vlad just not that good vs some bruisers? I figured he'd be good vs Garen and I took him against one and beat him, but I went boots3 and he went dorans blade so he couldn't catch me, but if he went boots I think I'd get zoned at level 2 onwards. I hear people say he is good vs bruisers but I've been losing to them of late, am I just bad (I am NOT running armor runes BTW, is this a necessity vs bruisers) or does Vlad lose to most bruisers? I've also been taking Vlad mid and only losing to Cass/Kass and anyone with a big poke. Thanks in advance  . | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
dont buy boots 3 | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 06 2012 12:21 schmutttt wrote: Been playing Vlad top recently and been struggling against a few champs. Was outfarming a Talon but then he got a kill on me through me being bad and snowballed, then today I went top against a Wukong and got FB on him through jungle help but he still zoned me really badly and ended up winning the lane easily. Is Vlad just not that good vs some bruisers? I figured he'd be good vs Garen and I took him against one and beat him, but I went boots3 and he went dorans blade so he couldn't catch me, but if he went boots I think I'd get zoned at level 2 onwards. I hear people say he is good vs bruisers but I've been losing to them of late, am I just bad (I am NOT running armor runes BTW, is this a necessity vs bruisers) or does Vlad lose to most bruisers? I've also been taking Vlad mid and only losing to Cass/Kass and anyone with a big poke. Thanks in advance .bruisers with a gap closer can be a problem for vlad, yes irelia and wukong especially can give him a lot of trouble and of course, as with any lane, a lee that lands skillshots will demolish strongly suggest armor runes | ||
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